avaserfi

avaserfi

Audioholic Ninja
Rhetoric need not have any attachment to reality for it to be effective.
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
The Jokers ideals and conecpt of a fair society would be one of anarchy. His goal was to try to break down how other people, ogranizations and institutions control and push agendas on the world. One of no social class, and total freedom to do anything (good or bad). In the end it is kind of like survival of the fittest. It really doesn't fall into any system. Its the jokers.
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
I thought it was halarious and so would the libby's if it were G.W.B. but that's different ....right..:rolleyes:
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I heard about this on the radio this morning. I don't understand why anybody would find this offensive. And I don't understand why they were saying the Feds were investigating the artist. Since when is the oval office not allowed to be the target of political satire?

Oh, and I have a new found respect for the State of Arizona.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08182009/news/nationalnews/protester_busts_out_the_big_gun_for_obam_185147.htm
Well, nobody made a big deal out of this type of satire when Rick's Vanity Fair piccie hit. In fact, many thought it was clever and applauded it. And, I doubt the artist was put under any scrutiny.

But, I guess now that Obama and his "liberals" are running the show, any public display of dissatisfaction is frowned upon and the instigators are put under investigation. Yeah, change we can believe in all right.

So, after complaining about Bush's "draconian" rule and taking away our constitutional rights for eight years, it's almost funny to see how tight a ship this new regime is implementing in only eight months. I said "almost". Actually, it's scary to think of what they can do in another 3 1/2 years, if we let them.

And, please note that the man carrying that big gun is black, so there goes the "racist white guy" argument.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I have nothing against poking fun at those in charge. We had some good times when GWB was around. I found the Obama Joker funny. But the artist's message makes no sense whatsoever; neither Obama or GWB are anarchists.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Maybe you guys are reading to much into it, the artist may just be saying that Obama is a joke as in, haha he's a clown, not THE joker.

We all got a laugh out of the black man with the ar-15. Kinda shot down the media's spin machine. Instead they were befuddled once again by the 2nd admendment. I really do love Arizona's gun laws!
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
The socialist modus operandi is to create instabilty and conflict in the existing institutional and societal order, call it anarchy. It fits. While they are promoting anarchy to destroy the existing social order, they themselves intend to be highly organized and cohesive. Anarchy is a tool leading to a greater goal. Once society is destabilized and insecure, as a rule, populations beg for order and security even at the expense of their freedom. The socialists intend to be the faction that brings that order to the destabilized society, in their own fashion of course.

If you want to see this program in action, look to Putin's rise and his transition of Russia from a promising democratic capitalist state to it's current repressive communist regime. This is a model for the socialist transition in the USA. The only thing that's slowing the socialists down in the US is the constitution and the cultural tradition that still places a value on freedom, limited gov't and free enterprise.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Dave makes me feel dumb with posts like that.

However.....

This just came to me in a stroke of genius:

Why...so....socialist?

:D
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
I never think of the joker as a clown. A more accurate description of the Joker would be a sociopath.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
The socialist modus operandi is to create instabilty and conflict in the existing institutional and societal order, call it anarchy. It fits. While they are promoting anarchy to destroy the existing social order, they themselves intend to be highly organized and cohesive. Anarchy is a tool leading to a greater goal. Once society is destabilized and insecure, as a rule, populations beg for order and security even at the expense of their freedom. The socialists intend to be the faction that brings that order to the destabilized society, in their own fashion of course.

If you want to see this program in action, look to Putin's rise and his transition of Russia from a promising democratic capitalist state to it's current repressive communist regime. This is a model for the socialist transition in the USA. The only thing that's slowing the socialists down in the US is the constitution and the cultural tradition that still places a value on freedom, limited gov't and free enterprise.

Well, gosh. Look at this. Obama says we would know him by his associates. How about that Bill Ayers (oops...he forgot they were pals) and now his new buddy, Ayers' fellow Weather Undergroud founder, Jeff Jones. Jeff Jones...yeah, the same guy who was a fugitive from justice for 10 years...now is at least partially responsible for writing the STIMULUS BILL! And he even sits on the New York Fed!! :eek:

But what's a slimey radical like Jeff Jones got that Van Jones ain't got?! Yeah...THAT Van Jones...founder of black nationalist Bay Area groups and self-avowed communist. Van Jones...Obama's new Green Jobs Czar. :eek::eek:

And to think we were worried about no-accounts like Rev. Wright and such.

You know, it seems to me that despite my radical youth, I have no associates that are communists...nor friends who are racist nationalists...nor even any anti-capitalists. And here we have a president that surrounds himself with lots of these people...people like his FCC fairness Czar that praises Chavez's revolutionary takeover of Venezuela ...and this guy wants to craft the "Fairness Doctrine" to shut down any programming he dislikes, and in fact technically destroy the first amendment. He has other advisors that believe, as even the loyal puppy VP has stated, we need a NEW Bill of Rights...modeled after FDR's proposals.

How many of you even KNOW a communist or socialist or violent radical? Obama has some in his administration.

And I wonder how many people out there voted for Obama thinking that CHANGE meant a more articulate and caring leader. Someone with brains (that Bush was clearly lacking). Someone who would render the Constitution back on its feet (no more stupid Patriot Acts or torture). But I don't think anyone thought that by CHANGE Obama meant socialism or communism. I'll give Obama one thing...he was pretty honest. He kept telling everyone that he would bring FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE to the U.S. of A.

Well, you're gettin' it, pardner.

And by the way...do any of you even know who wrote the Cap and Trade Bill? The Stimulus Plan? The Healthcare Bill proposal? Do you even care? Do you even care that your congressional representative likely did not read or understand any of those bills/proposals before voting on them? Do you know what the debt burden is on U.S. citizens? (About 1/4 MILLION per person and counting.) Do you favor spending these trillions of dollars, going further in debt "TO GET OUT OF DEBT" as we are told by Byden? As I've said before, Marx himself wrote that if you bring down a country's economy, you can destabilize it. You can then mold the country to anything you want.

I kinda think this country better wake up soon and take control of it's government. These guys running it are representing their own interest, or at best their special interests...not those who elected them to represent them. I'm not talking about Democrats or Republicans. I'm talking Politicians and the oligarchy that is running this country. Two senators (one Rep and one Dem) are now proposing a bill that the president have the power to "take over" and shut down private networks (in fact he could shut down THE internet) if the president declares an emergency. Hmmm. (Sounds like science fiction, doesn't it?)

Obama has asked for a civilian militia, as well funded, trained and armed as the U.S. military. I wonder why. :confused: Why does he want to do that? And just who are they going to fight? You? Me? The U.S. military? Hmmm.
 
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Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
RJ, your post almost makes me think it's time to say "I told you so". But I think a lot more is going to happen in the next couple of years that makes that premature still.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Yes, that was some mighty powerful kool-aid that this country drank last year.

Let's hope some of the effects wore off and perhaps we'll see some results as early as this November.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
RJ, your post almost makes me think it's time to say "I told you so". But I think a lot more is going to happen in the next couple of years that makes that premature still.
I think it's safe to say it, Dave. :p The people here have been domesticated, by and large, and the economy is probably right at the point where the debt can never be off. (Besides, our new Science Czar wants to limit births/family...China style. He says the Constitution doesn't give us the right to have kids! No kidding. WHAT??? :eek: So there won't be enough offspring to pay off this fabulous debt we're handing down.)

But don't get cocky...remember the domino effect. If we go, Canada and Mexico don't stand a chance.
 
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