Reading this thread, reinforces my belief that today's pre/pros are so feature bound that they create more anxiety than pleasure. Such complication almost certainly means trouble, like some little feature, such as Wi-Fi, never working properly. I'm glad I bought a pure 5.1 analog pre-amp (Sony TA-P9000ES) which simply uses the relative inexpensive decoding found in some of todays universal players like the Oppo's. As long as the technology advances in the universal players, along with analog output, I'm poised to enjoy without the hassle of memorizing the text book size operating manuals of the digital pre/pros out there today. And, there's no redundancy. Oh, and one more thing, what happens when you don't operate the pre/pro everyday, or your wife wants to use it when you're out of town, to show a movie to the grandkids? Would she get beyond just turning it on? With my system it's just turn on the player, turn on TV and set input, and then turn on amps. It's so easy.