I would suggest taking a listen before dismissing them. Don't really think you can get more base. Lol Klipsch is clean tight base as low as you want it to be. I'm on my second sub now, upgraded my original. I also have a Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 system on my computer and the Klipsch iFi for my ipod system. I won't change either of them because you can't get better. Well, maybe if you spent 4x the $$$.