Coldplay vs. Joe Satriani

Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
I might be an old guy but … it seems that most popular music today is very thin. Sadly I’ve noticed that whining is too often mistaken for deep and meaningful or art.

In researching this story I read tirades from Coldplay fans commenting on other allegations of band’s musical copycatting – long before the Satriani incident.

In one comment a Coldplay fan said: "you suck and you shouldn't compare your garbage music with Coldplay, they're true artists." - paraphrasing.

This is my problem:

Just because music is soft, sensitive and sad in tone doesn't make it artistic, deep or introspective.

Often they scratch the surface musically and lyrically about the causes of sadness but fail to explore it any deeper. Fill it with a few bewildering lines like ... everybody wants to rule the world and call it a day.

It’s hardly the kinds of observations of the human condition we’ve seen in songs by Pink Floyd or countless others from a different era.

The worst is country music and its Hallmark sentimentality. Yes I’ve heard it mistaken for deep too. I admit to liking older country but my perception of newer stuff is that it’s too often manipulative of the hearstrings. I would call it emotional porn.

What else would you call songs about cancer diagnosis or a tragic death in a family. I know country has a folksy, literal storytelling tradition. But c'mon,

Eric Clapton wrote one of the most memorable sad songs ever about a personal tragedy in his life. It was truly deep and actually therapeutic for him. Nowhere does he use a "money line" to make the listener cringe. It's far more deeply personal to him, either the listener relates or does not. Challenging. That's how good music (good art in general) should be.
People can interpret music any way they see fit, and as much as it bothers you, can also like any music they see fit.

One could say that you're "new music is shallow" statement is shallow. How much have you really looked? Probably just scratched the surface. I'm fairly certain I could list 10 bands you've never heard of. Pretty hard to judge all the music out there when you don't know half of it.

Oh, and if you try to pin me with listening to newage shallow music, I'm currently listening to Hendrix - The Wind Cries Mary.

SheepStar
 
Alissa

Alissa

Enthusiast
People can interpret music any way they see fit, and as much as it bothers you, can also like any music they see fit.

One could say that you're "new music is shallow" statement is shallow. How much have you really looked? Probably just scratched the surface. I'm fairly certain I could list 10 bands you've never heard of. Pretty hard to judge all the music out there when you don't know half of it.

Oh, and if you try to pin me with listening to newage shallow music, I'm currently listening to Hendrix - The Wind Cries Mary.

SheepStar
I think the quote's intention was actually "popular" music, not necessarily all new music.

Music is really just about taste and opinion, both of which we can formulate at any time...has anyone really listened to all the music out there? If we waited for that, we'd never have people giving opinions and sparking debates like this.

And just a quick IMO, if we can like / listen to / interpret music any way we see fit, then our opinion counts whether we're listening to Hendrix or Hanson. No need to judge based on what's currently on our iPods. :)
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I might be an old guy but … it seems that most popular music today is very thin. Sadly I’ve noticed that whining is too often mistaken for deep and meaningful or art.

In researching this story I read tirades from Coldplay fans commenting on other allegations of band’s musical copycatting – long before the Satriani incident.

In one comment a Coldplay fan said: "you suck and you shouldn't compare your garbage music with Coldplay, they're true artists." - paraphrasing.

This is my problem:

Just because music is soft, sensitive and sad in tone doesn't make it artistic, deep or introspective.

Often they scratch the surface musically and lyrically about the causes of sadness but fail to explore it any deeper. Fill it with a few bewildering lines like ... everybody wants to rule the world and call it a day.

It’s hardly the kinds of observations of the human condition we’ve seen in songs by Pink Floyd or countless others from a different era.

The worst is country music and its Hallmark sentimentality. Yes I’ve heard it mistaken for deep too. I admit to liking older country but my perception of newer stuff is that it’s too often manipulative of the hearstrings. I would call it emotional porn.

What else would you call songs about cancer diagnosis or a tragic death in a family. I know country has a folksy, literal storytelling tradition. But c'mon,

Eric Clapton wrote one of the most memorable sad songs ever about a personal tragedy in his life. It was truly deep and actually therapeutic for him. Nowhere does he use a "money line" to make the listener cringe. It's far more deeply personal to him, either the listener relates or does not. Challenging. That's how good music (good art in general) should be.
Music and lyrics are open to interpetation and people will draw from them as they see fit. There is alot of good new music out there. Problem is finding it amongst all the other crap out there.

Coldplay isn't the only band in hsitory to borrow/steal without permission. Led Zeppelin springs to mind and if it weren't for the blues, there would have been no Led Zeppelin or countless rock bands in your day that would have bit come to be. If anyone has a legit beef for getting ripped off, its the blues artists of the past that got screwed over by both record companies and other bands stealing their stuff.
 
vizionut

vizionut

Audioholic General
what about gary howey against joe satriani

Both have the same sound and joe has a lot more fans but i still like gary more what do you think.
 

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