My room, like all rooms, effects what I hear when I am listening.
Right. Effects. Who said differently?? How does "effect" = "problem" in
all rooms (your words)?
Repositioning my speakers changed how the room interacted with the sound (which is now eminating from a different location and with a different primary axis of emission) to cause the sound at my listening position to be different than it had been before. I considered the change for the placment I ended up with an improvement.
And again, who stated that position of speaker is not relevant?
DIRECT QUOTE? The fact that all speakers must be positioned somewhere in a room, is a
room problem?
If the speaker sounded bad under the couch...room problem??
And what other acoustic source types did you try other than your all the same speakers? What was the result, when in the same "problem" spot, you replaced your speakers, with various 1st order gradients? How does the polar response of all your speakers differ?
You believe that rooms have no effect on sound. I am well aware that is not true.
The strawman of your imagination obviously does. Here are just two of many - the non-imaginary person actually says this:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=538640&postcount=14
The loudspeaker/room interface accounts for about 95% of what you will hear. Without information about your room and the possible placement(s) of loudspeakers within the room, you will not receive a useful answer, just conjecture.
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=727000&postcount=19
That must be an exception due to the speakers coupling to modes in your particular room. The opposite would be the norm in most rooms, i.e., the bass would increase with placement closer to walls and decrease further away...which might be perceived as a "tightening" of the bass response.
Actually, with a bipole (or dipole), the distance to the wall behind the speaker (usually referred to as the "Front" wall, because you the listener, are facing it) is crucial for all frequencies. We get spatial cues primarily above 1khz and if the reflections are not delayed sufficiently, they will blur the imaging, rather than be perceived as spaciousness. The minimum distance for the required delay time, is about 3' from the front wall (behind the speaker).
Which is why Bipoles (and dipoles) won't make much of a dent in the marketplace (as Paradigm, Energy, etc. found out).
Which one do you believe?? Your strawman, or I??
For one thing, I reduced early reflections from the bass driver by moving the speakers out from the wall. I also reduced a couch that was interacting with the sound by toe-ing in the units.
And again, these are "room" problems? The sofa?
What happened when you replaced your speakers in the exact same "problem spot" with a cardioid? Can you give specifics on the cardioids you have (used)??
Let's just take a portable audio source you like to five-guys and crank it. We can compare it to out-doors.
Huh??
You keep asserting that rooms don't affect sound. If that's the case, then you should find no SQ losss playing your gear in a room of bare tile walls. It should sound identical to an anechoic chamber.
You then spend the next half-dozen pages simply dismissing the entire idea and leveling passive-aggressive insinuations against any statement to the contrary.
If you believe I've mischaracterized your position, and that you don't believe rooms have no effect: you've had ample opportunity to clarify yourself.
Perhaps the strawman in your imagination would be the better one to ask this?
Having had several occasions to hear the exact same speakers in the exact same room before and after the carpet was replaced with tile: I know too well that "normal" rooms can have signifigant effect.
Tile bathrooms, something most everyone has been in, and which affect sound so much as to be unpleasent, are a good example. My earliest experiences were actually with things like overturned boats. Water really does nasty things to sound in small spaces.
Hopefully it didn't affect your mind to where you start imagining people saying things.....
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Just let me know if you would like to hear acoustic sources completely outside your known sources, in your "problem" room. I'd, as stated previously, be happy to oblige.
Out of curiosity, if I were to place one of my sources in the exact position where your sources have problems...and the problems were no longer perceived, or measured (yes, I'd be measuring as well), what would the implication be for your "it's the room" theory?
Would you be ok with the results being posted here on the forum for all to see?
Lemme know.
cheers,
AJ
