Medical Marijuana,Legal or not.

highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
In my state we have a vote comming up on the ballot to pass a medical Marijuana law allowing limited use of MJ with a doctors permission,muck like other states like California,Nevada & about 10 others.

I allready know that in my state of Michigan if the law is passed by vote it will be blocked by out government,in my state the MJ laws are about generating revenue for a cash strapped government not fairness or punishment.

Whats your thoughts on the subject,please keep it civil so we dont get locked out.
 
OttoMatic

OttoMatic

Senior Audioholic
I can't understand why marijuana isn't legal for general use, while such things as cigarettes and alcohol are. I think getting medical marijuana laws passed are a step in the right direction, and they send the right message.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
I've always personally questioned the government's effort to criminalize marijuana in general. I don't believe it's any worse for you than smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol, and as a drug it's one of the few from which you cannot overdose. As far as addiction goes, it's been shown that MJ is not typically chemically addictive, and as far as psychological addiction it would be placed in the lowest category as far as withdrawal symptoms go. Alcohol, cocaine, and heroin are in the highest category, tobacco would be in a medium category.

Not that I would ever make the claim that marijuana should be part of a healthy diet, but it's not as demonic a drug as certain people would like us to believe. The demonic side to illegal drugs is the smuggling and distribution aspect, similar to the way the mob ran alcohol smuggling during prohibition- something that partially went away with legalization.

As for it's legalization from a medical standpoint, studies have shown that it's effective. I think the only issue you run into is one of attempted abuse from the patient side- people who don't have a medical "need" claiming that they do in an attempt to obtain marijuana- particularly if they intend to sell it back out on the open marketplace.

If it can either cure somebody or make their life more tolerable for their remaining months while they live out a debilitating disease, I really cannot vote against it. I like to think about it this way- if they renamed the drug to something other than marijuana, would the government be so adamant to stop its distribution?
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
As for it's legalization from a medical standpoint, studies have shown that it's effective. I think the only issue you run into is one of attempted abuse from the patient side- people who don't have a medical "need" claiming that they do in an attempt to obtain marijuana- particularly if they intend to sell it back out on the open marketplace.
Good point,a few things though,the latest & most addictive epidemic were facing right now is the abuse & resale of prescription drugs such as Vicoden,Oxycontin,Valium ect,i take pain killers constantly & for many years now,my back is a mess,i see a pain management doctor every month in order to obtain these drugs legaly,im amazed at how many people i know buy pain killers openly on the street.

Making anything illegal will never stop the flow of the drug.

A little bit of trivia for those who care.

Its 100% legal in the USA to grow Opium,there are no restrictions on the planting of this terrible drug & it is very easy to grow,the seeds can be bought at any meijers or kroger supermarket,it only becomes illegal if there is intent to harvest the latex from within the seed pod,until then lil old ladies are growing it all over the place.

My wife & i plant opium every year right in the front yard,they have beautiful flowers on the pod.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Its 100% legal in the USA to grow Opium,there are no restrictions on the planting of this terrible drug & it is very easy to grow,the seeds can be bought at any meijers or kroger supermarket,it only becomes illegal if there is intent to harvest the latex from within the seed pod,until then lil old ladies are growing it all over the place.

My wife & i plant opium every year right in the front yard,they have beautiful flowers on the pod.
Interesting... isn't that also the case with the cannabis plant if the intent is only to use for hemp production?
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Its 100% legal in the USA to grow Opium,there are no restrictions on the planting of this terrible drug & it is very easy to grow,the seeds can be bought at any meijers or kroger supermarket,it only becomes illegal if there is intent to harvest the latex from within the seed pod,until then lil old ladies are growing it all over the place.

My wife & i plant opium every year right in the front yard,they have beautiful flowers on the pod.
Legal? Absolutely not[1]. There are several hundred varieties of poppy flower plants that are legal to grow, but about 3 of them are illegal to grow, these being considered as 'opium poppy' due to a high narcotic alkaloid content, generally containing high levels of morphine as the primary one, and codeine and thebaine as the important secondary ones; thebaine is used primarily in a conversion process to create hydrocodone and oxycodone. It is generally tolerated to grow even these illegal variants because the opium yielding species has always been highly regarded by gardeners. Your flowers can be raided and destroyed at any time, if the appropriate authorities are aware of the crop. However, you would not likely be subject to any criminal prosecution unless there was evidence of harvesting for opium use, based on publicized case history, but the flowers are almost always destroyed by authorities, regardless.

-Chris

Reference

[1] U.S. Code Entry
 
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highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Interesting... isn't that also the case with the cannabis plant if the intent is only to use for hemp production?
Negative,hemp & MJ are 2 different plants,hemp has allmost no thc content & very little cannaboids.
 
Tarub

Tarub

Senior Audioholic
I think it should be legal but HIGHly controlled.

The rebuttal:

THE DANGERS OF LEGALIZING MEDICAL MARIJUANA:
A PHYSICIAN’S PERSPECTIVE
Testimony of
Mark L. Kraus, M.D., FASAM*
Past President
Connecticut Chapter of the American Society of Addiction Medicine
*General Internist, Westside Medical Group, Waterbury, CT; Former Medical
Director Addiction Medicine, Waterbury Hospital, Waterbury, CT; Assistant
Clinical Professor of Medicine, Yale University School of Medicine; New Haven,
CT; Chairman, Connecticut State Medical Society Alcohol and Other Drug
Education Committee; Former Co-Chairperson, Governor Rowland’s Blue
Ribbon Task Force Substance Abuse; Member (Non Statutory), Connecticut
Alcohol and Drug Policy Council; Member (Non Statutory), Connecticut Mental
Health Policy Council; Co-Chairman, Physician Education Task Force for
Association of Medical Education and Research Substance Abuse (AMERSA).
Member, Strategic Task Force ASAM; Member, Public Policy Committee ASAM;
Member of Board of Directors American Society of Addiction, Primary Care
Advisory Committee for the National Institute of Drug Abuse

On behalf of the members of the Connecticut Chapter of the American Society of
Addiction Medicine (ASAM) and the Connecticut State Medical Society I am delighted
for this opportunity to voice our strong opposition to the continuing efforts being made in
Connecticut to legislate marijuana for medical use. The members of ASAM have
devoted their medical careers to further the development of treatment for addictive
disorders, and the associated medical / psychiatric consequences. We are concerned
that marijuana, a dangerous chemical, with life altering properties, is being considered
for use as a viable medicine.
For those who are inclined to support medical use of marijuana, it is usually not
the scientific evidence they consider, but only the unfounded self-reports of how
marijuana relieved pain, chemotherapy induced nausea and vomiting or HIV-AIDS
Wasting Syndrome. We are deeply concerned that the myths surrounding the medical
use of marijuana pose a grave danger to patients. Proponents of the legalization of
medical marijuana create the impression that it is a reasonable alternative to
conventional drugs. But unlike conventional drugs, smokable marijuana has not passed
the rigorous scrutiny of scientific investigation and has not been found safe and effective
in treating pain, nausea and vomiting, or wasting syndrome.
1. Unlike most drugs administered orally, intravenously, intramuscularly, or by
epidermal patch, marijuana is smoked. Like tobacco, smoked marijuana
contains many of the same toxic or carcinogenic compounds that have been
linked to lung cancer and emphysema. Current findings indicate that the
evidence suggests that the marijuana cigarette, in contrast with the tobacco
cigarette, delivers over four times the amount of tar and much higher
concentration of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, such as the carcinogen
benzopyrene.
2. Marijuana smoked, like tobacco smoked, contains toxins and other foreign
particulates that are known to cause inflammation in the lining of the lungs.
Unlike tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke substantially reduced the alveolur
macrophages, the lungs primary defense against infectious microorganisms,
foreign substances and tumor cells. This is of particular concern for the
immunocompromised HIV/ AIDS patients or cancer patient, who is already at
great risk for opportunistic lung infections. Though the evidence is no means
conclusive, chronic marijuana smoking may be a factor in the development of
acute and chronic bronchitis, and increasing the risk of pneumonia.
3. Smoking marijuana can cause tachycardia and abrupt changes in blood
pressure causing grave concern to those who have cardiovascular disease.
4. There is scientific evidence that long term marijuana smoking alters the
reproductive system.
Contemporary medicine and pharmacology are based on the application of
scientific principles and the use of extensive clinical research to determine the safety
and efficacy of a drug. For each symptom or disease advocated to be treated by
smokable marijuana, there is a well accepted, well researched, and more effective
treatment.
Among these drugs is Marinol (dronabinol), a synthetic version of the naturally
occurring component of marijuana (THC or tetrahydrocannabinol), that is indicated totreat chronic pain, chemotherapy related nausea and vomiting, and HIV / AIDS
associated Wasting Syndrome. Marinol , however, unlike smokable marijuana, is a
pure chemical compound that has been subjected to rigorous chemical research trials
that have established its efficacy, safety, side-effect profile, and proper dosing.
Interestingly, the only known property Marinol lacks is the effect of creating “a high”.
As Addiction Medicine Specialists that are dedicated to the treatment of those
afflicted by the disease – addiction, and to furthering science-based knowledge, we
believe that these proposals to legislate the use of smokable marijuana as a medicine
constitutes a far greater threat than many Americans truly realize. These proposals to
use smoked marijuana as a medicine convey a mixed and ambiguous message to
children, adolescents and adults. These messages undermine the many years invested
by public health to prevent pre- and adolescent onset of the use of tobacco, marijuana,
and other drugs. These proposals provide real contradictions that are not easily
addressed or resolved in school and in family discussions, especially where the images
of the marijuana user intrude into the day to day lives of these young people.
Current research indicates that the use of this marijuana on a regular basis
during adolescence is a strong marker for ensuring drug problems later in life. Young
people are often misinformed and mislead to believe that the use of marijuana is
harmless and that you can not become addicted. No thing is further from the truth.
There is clear evidence that the use of marijuana can result in dependency. These
young people and other individuals dependent on this drug, will make the choice to use
it in physically compromised situations, and will continue to use it putting their
education, jobs, interpersonal relationships, and legal status at a significant risk.
In closing, I urge you to reject the proposal that would change the status quo by
recognizing smokable marijuana as an accepted drug. As a practicing physician and a
concerned member of my community; I can find no redeeming qualities derived from
smoking a weed-marijuana.
It is unconscionable in this era, the 21st century, that our best effort to deliver
effective pain relief, or to treat chemotherapy induced nausea or vomiting, or treat
AIDS wasting syndrome would consist of prescribing smokable marijuana. We
must reject these efforts to give marijuana medical credibility by equating it with other
more pharmacologically advanced drugs that have passed the rigors of scientific
investigation / research and demonstrate significant efficacy in treating pain, nausea,
vomiting (chemotherapeutically induced) or HIV / AIDS wasting syndrome. It has
credibility. It has not passed the rigors of scientific investigation. It has not
demonstrated significant efficacy in symptom relief. And, it causes harm.
As physicians we have a duty to follow the tenets of the Hippocratic Oath we
have taken. “Do no harm.” To lower the level of current control of marijuana would only serve to exacerbate an already grave societal and medical problem. To characterize
those who do not support the legislation of medical marijuana, as less than supportive
of those who are “suffering” is a cynicism in the extreme. This campaign of self-serving
political propaganda, misinformation and deception must stop.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
I think it should be legal but HIGHly controlled.

The rebuttal:

On behalf of the members of the Connecticut Chapter of the American Society of
Addiction Medicine (ASAM) and the Connecticut State Medical Society I am delighted
for this opportunity to voice our strong opposition to the continuing efforts being made in
Connecticut to legislate marijuana for medical use. The members of ASAM have
devoted their medical careers to further the development of treatment for addictive
disorders, and the associated medical / psychiatric consequences. We are concerned
that marijuana, a dangerous chemical, with life altering properties, is being considered
for use as a viable medicine.
For those who are inclined to support medical use of marijuana, it is usually not
the scientific evidence they consider, but only the unfounded self-reports of how
marijuana relieved pain, chemotherapy induced nausea and vomiting or HIV-AIDS
Wasting Syndrome. We are deeply concerned that the myths surrounding the medical
use of marijuana pose a grave danger to patients. Proponents of the legalization of
medical marijuana create the impression that it is a reasonable alternative to
conventional drugs. But unlike conventional drugs, smokable marijuana has not passed
the rigorous scrutiny of scientific investigation and has not been found safe and effective
in treating pain, nausea and vomiting, or wasting syndrome.
1. Unlike most drugs administered orally, intravenously, intramuscularly, or by
epidermal patch, marijuana is smoked. Like tobacco, smoked marijuana
contains many of the same toxic or carcinogenic compounds that have been
linked to lung cancer and emphysema. Current findings indicate that the
evidence suggests that the marijuana cigarette, in contrast with the tobacco
cigarette, delivers over four times the amount of tar and much higher
concentration of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, such as the carcinogen
benzopyrene.
2. Marijuana smoked, like tobacco smoked, contains toxins and other foreign
particulates that are known to cause inflammation in the lining of the lungs.
Unlike tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke substantially reduced the alveolur
macrophages, the lungs primary defense against infectious microorganisms,
foreign substances and tumor cells. This is of particular concern for the
immunocompromised HIV/ AIDS patients or cancer patient, who is already at
great risk for opportunistic lung infections. Though the evidence is no means
conclusive, chronic marijuana smoking may be a factor in the development of
acute and chronic bronchitis, and increasing the risk of pneumonia.
3. Smoking marijuana can cause tachycardia and abrupt changes in blood
pressure causing grave concern to those who have cardiovascular disease.
4. There is scientific evidence that long term marijuana smoking alters the
reproductive system.
Contemporary medicine and pharmacology are based on the application of
scientific principles and the use of extensive clinical research to determine the safety
and efficacy of a drug. For each symptom or disease advocated to be treated by
smokable marijuana, there is a well accepted, well researched, and more effective
treatment.
Among these drugs is Marinol (dronabinol), a synthetic version of the naturally
occurring component of marijuana (THC or tetrahydrocannabinol), that is indicated totreat chronic pain, chemotherapy related nausea and vomiting, and HIV / AIDS
associated Wasting Syndrome. Marinol , however, unlike smokable marijuana, is a
pure chemical compound that has been subjected to rigorous chemical research trials
that have established its efficacy, safety, side-effect profile, and proper dosing.
Interestingly, the only known property Marinol lacks is the effect of creating “a high”.
As Addiction Medicine Specialists that are dedicated to the treatment of those
afflicted by the disease – addiction, and to furthering science-based knowledge, we
believe that these proposals to legislate the use of smokable marijuana as a medicine
constitutes a far greater threat than many Americans truly realize. These proposals to
use smoked marijuana as a medicine convey a mixed and ambiguous message to
children, adolescents and adults. These messages undermine the many years invested
by public health to prevent pre- and adolescent onset of the use of tobacco, marijuana,
and other drugs. These proposals provide real contradictions that are not easily
addressed or resolved in school and in family discussions, especially where the images
of the marijuana user intrude into the day to day lives of these young people.
Current research indicates that the use of this marijuana on a regular basis
during adolescence is a strong marker for ensuring drug problems later in life. Young
people are often misinformed and mislead to believe that the use of marijuana is
harmless and that you can not become addicted. No thing is further from the truth.
There is clear evidence that the use of marijuana can result in dependency. These
young people and other individuals dependent on this drug, will make the choice to use
it in physically compromised situations, and will continue to use it putting their
education, jobs, interpersonal relationships, and legal status at a significant risk.
In closing, I urge you to reject the proposal that would change the status quo by
recognizing smokable marijuana as an accepted drug. As a practicing physician and a
concerned member of my community; I can find no redeeming qualities derived from
smoking a weed-marijuana.
It is unconscionable in this era, the 21st century, that our best effort to deliver
effective pain relief, or to treat chemotherapy induced nausea or vomiting, or treat
AIDS wasting syndrome would consist of prescribing smokable marijuana. We
must reject these efforts to give marijuana medical credibility by equating it with other
more pharmacologically advanced drugs that have passed the rigors of scientific
investigation / research and demonstrate significant efficacy in treating pain, nausea,
vomiting (chemotherapeutically induced) or HIV / AIDS wasting syndrome. It has
credibility. It has not passed the rigors of scientific investigation. It has not
demonstrated significant efficacy in symptom relief. And, it causes harm.
As physicians we have a duty to follow the tenets of the Hippocratic Oath we
have taken. “Do no harm.” To lower the level of current control of marijuana would only serve to exacerbate an already grave societal and medical problem. To characterize
those who do not support the legislation of medical marijuana, as less than supportive
of those who are “suffering” is a cynicism in the extreme. This campaign of self-serving
political propaganda, misinformation and deception must stop.
Thanks for the reply but the link you posted is just bursting at the seams with propaganda,hidden or unexplained truths & flat ouit lies.

1 The biggest lie is that MJ must be smoked,then to further the fear tactics assoaciated with cancer & tumors they fail to explain the method to avoid these dangers, MJ does not have to be smoked, it can be vaporized, then only the THC & Cannaboid content are injested without any of the related dangers associated with smoking,this method leaves all the MJ intact & not burned.

I edited this part to add to it,any link pointing to the dangers of "SMOKING" mj due to the related cancer issues is a joke,until ciggaretts or all tabaco become's illegal then common sense would dictate that these dangers can easily be mittigated by the exact same warnings used with tobaco products to warn of the danger & risks.

2 Dependence,so far that has been 100% unproven because of the legalities associated with it & the unwillingness of the medical industry to support or help fund any real studies,so far there is absolutely no hard nailed evidence to support these claims,no shortage of wild & unfounded claims that say its "linked to addiction" though.

3 There is a prarmacutical drug called "Marinol" in your link,ive taken it several times over the years & it never worked for me,BTW smoking pot dont work for me either,

The main ingredient of Marinol is Cannaboid, which is also one of the main ingredients of MJ,it has been deemed by the AMA to be addictive,it also has a whole list of sife effects that come with the high level of Cannaboids in the medicine,the levels are much greater than in even the strongest medical grade MJ.

The main ingredient of Marinol can be injested from MJ without ever smoking anything or exposing ones self to smoking related dangers,this is never reported fairly.

A partial list of adverse reactions & side effects associated with Marinol which the AMA claims is a better alternative to MJ for treating the same symptoms.

Seizures,Tinnitus,Diarrhea,Abdominal pain,Nausea,Vommiting.

Anybody ever smoke a bowl & have any of these reactions ? yet the AMA loves to compare Marinol with MJ,they also only compare the two when the MJ being used is by CHRONIC USERS against closely monitored Marinol users, under controled conditions,there are no studies where both drugs are controled & compared equally.

The only reason im picking apart what you posted is because the information you posted is not 100% accurate & it is misleading in its intent,this so called info by the AMA is not even held to the same level of scrutiny or controls that we here at Audioholics would accept in a DBT.
 
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highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Legal? Absolutely not[1]. There are several hundred varieties of poppy flower plants that are legal to grow, but about 3 of them are illegal to grow, these being considered as 'opium poppy' due to a high narcotic alkaloid content, generally containing high levels of morphine as the primary one, and codeine and thebaine as the important secondary ones; thebaine is used primarily in a conversion process to create hydrocodone and oxycodone. It is generally tolerated to grow even these illegal variants because the opium yielding species has always been highly regarded by gardeners. Your flowers can be raided and destroyed at any time, if the appropriate authorities are aware of the crop. However, you would not likely be subject to any criminal prosecution unless there was evidence of harvesting for opium use, based on publicized case history, but the flowers are almost always destroyed by authorities, regardless.

-Chris

Reference

[1] U.S. Code Entry
I did not read your link,not because i thought it not worthy but because the issue of Opium & its legal growth is clouded in vague laws governing which strain can & which strain can not be grown,popular belief is that only 3 strains of poppy will produce opium but this is not true.

The 3 main strains of poppy that are governed are of the "Persian,Giganteum & Chickens & Hens variety,these are controled strains,there are many more strains of poppy that can be used to grow opium producing poppies that are not governed or regulated,as long as the seed comes from the Papaver Somniferum any strain will produce opium or its more refined extracts like herion.

FYI you can buy these seeds at any grocery store,McCormick brand poppy seeds that are sold in every store nation wide, & used in most bagle shops, are of the Papaver Sommiferum strain & will grow extremely high yeilding opium producing poppies that are 100% legal to grow because the strain is not governed or regulated.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
I did not read your link,not because i thought it not worthy but because the issue of Opium & its legal growth is clouded in vague laws governing which strain can & which strain can not be grown,popular belief is that only 3 strains of poppy will produce opium but this is not true.

The 3 main strains of poppy that are governed are of the "Persian,Giganteum & Chickens & Hens variety,these are controled strains,there are many more strains of poppy that can be used to grow opium producing poppies that are not governed or regulated,as long as the seed comes from the Papaver Somniferum any strain will produce opium or its more refined extracts like herion.

FYI you can buy these seeds at any grocery store,McCormick brand poppy seeds that are sold in every store nation wide, & used in most bagle shops, are of the Papaver Sommiferum strain & will grow extremely high yeilding opium producing poppies that are 100% legal to grow because the strain is not governed or regulated.
The link I provided is directly to the US government code archive web site page concerning the code/legality for the opium poppy. While you can produce opiates from other variety of papaver, it is only produced in large quantity in a small number of species. Hence, my specific qualifier in my last post, where I stated: "these being considered as 'opium poppy' due to a high narcotic alkaloid content, generally containing high levels of morphine as the primary one, and codeine and thebaine as the important secondary ones".

-Chris
 
Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
I'm a C 3-4 Quadriplegic, and marijuana WILL reduce muscle spasms. For spasms I take several liver eating drugs three times a day. I would like an perscription for MMJ just for this. I don't always smoke pot, sometimes I cook it, and sometimes I vaporize it.

Yes I use this drug, but it doesn't use me. I quit drinking cold turkey by myself, and feel that if marijuana was available on the beer isle, life would be great ;)
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
I'm a C 3-4 Quadriplegic, and marijuana WILL reduce muscle spasms. For spasms I take several liver eating drugs three times a day. I would like an perscription for MMJ just for this. I don't always smoke pot, sometimes I cook it, and sometimes I vaporize it.

Yes I use this drug, but it doesn't use me. I quit drinking cold turkey by myself, and feel that if marijuana was available on the beer isle, life would be great ;)
Yup,i know what your talking about,i dont smoke,the stuff does nothing for my pain at all,ive been on prescription pain killers for the majority of the last 20 years,my pain mangement doctor tells me all the time that i'll most likely need them for the rest of my life,i wish smoking pot would help me.

My wife was diagnosed with Fibro Milaga (spelling) which causes her a boat load of leg & foot pain along with numbness of the limb,they instantly put her on Vicoden 7.5's to be taken 6 times a day,along with muscle relaxors & some stuff called Neurontin,we knew about vicoden from my long time prescribed use of them but knew nothing of Neurontin,she started taking it & within weeks her condition worsened with each passing day,the vicoden did not help her pain & she was having terrible side effects.

It reached the point where she was suicidaly depressed,the doctor assured us all was ok & to keep taking the drugs,we went home & researched Neurontin & wow,we could not believe they prescribe that stuff,the internet is full of horror stories about that drug & the related rage syndrome or suicidal tendancies patients experience while taking it.

We then started researching & talking to people all over the world about her condition,several people recomended to use MJ to control the pain,she has always smoked pot off & on but never with the intention as pain control,she stopped taking all the other drugs the doctors were giving her for one week then started vaporizing pot when she was hurting instead.

We knew within 2 days that her vaporizing pot instead of painkillers was the answer,the pot works better for her to control the pain & relax her muscles than any of the doctor approved drugs,her attitude & outlook on life improved allmost overnight (within a few weeks) ,the thoughts of suicide & the depression she was in were gone also.

We told her doctor about what we were doing & he came unglued,he started telling us how much danger she was in & that pot was a
"Gateway drug" that could get her hooked on all kinds of other drugs including cocaine,he strongly reccomended that she stop self medicating & start a new regiment of the drugs he was suppling her & that we just didnt give them long enough to work properly.

My wife told him that she gave them long enough to where she wanted to kill herself so she was never taking them again,we left & have never went back,its a shame that such a usefull drug is so clouded in secrecy & lies perpetuated by the AMA & law enforcement agencies,lies designed to fit their own personal agendas,instead of helping people who need help.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I think it should be legal but HIGHly controlled.
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One should also read "Marijuana Myths Marijuana Facts" by Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D. and John P. Morgan, M.D. 233 pages with 70 pages of references to studies of various types over the past century from the 1894 Indian Hemp Drug Commission, the 1925 Panama Canal Zone Report to the 1995 Report by the Dutch Government, and 69 pages of other good stuff.
Alcohol is by far the more dangerous drug around.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Alcohol is by far the more dangerous drug around.
100% correct- the physical addiction factor for alcohol is similar to hard narcotics and cocaine. While all drugs have psychological addictions, it's the physical addiction that destroys lives.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
We told her doctor about what we were doing & he came unglued,he started telling us how much danger she was in & that pot was a
"Gateway drug" that could get her hooked on all kinds of other drugs including cocaine,he strongly reccomended that she stop self medicating & start a new regiment of the drugs he was suppling her & that we just didnt give them long enough to work properly.
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So sorry to hear about your wife's troubles. Hopefully she's been doing better.

As for the whole "gateway drug" argument... that term refers more to entering the drug "lifestyle". The argument made to children and teens is that if you start smoking pot you may start buying pot, where you will meet shady characters in the drug underworld (And yes they can be quite dangerous), which could potentially lead you to trying something harder like coke or heroin, which can lead down a slippery slope. The "gateway" part has nothing to do with usage of one drug causing usage of another. Smoking pot will not get you addicted to cocaine... to suggest so is absolutely ludicrous!!

I can understand the argument for kids who don't know better- there have been many people who have fallen down such a path and have ended up addicts and criminals because they didn't know any better. I don't really see this being the case with an adult who's suffering from a debilitating disease.
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
So sorry to hear about your wife's troubles. Hopefully she's been doing better.

As for the whole "gateway drug" argument... that term refers more to entering the drug "lifestyle". The argument made to children and teens is that if you start smoking pot you may start buying pot, where you will meet shady characters in the drug underworld (And yes they can be quite dangerous), which could potentially lead you to trying something harder like coke or heroin, which can lead down a slippery slope. The "gateway" part has nothing to do with usage of one drug causing usage of another. Smoking pot will not get you addicted to cocaine... to suggest so is absolutely ludicrous!!

I can understand the argument for kids who don't know better- there have been many people who have fallen down such a path and have ended up addicts and criminals because they didn't know any better. I don't really see this being the case with an adult who's suffering from a debilitating disease.
That's bringing up an entirely different topic altogether too - parenting? Guidance?

There has always been quite a bit of a stigma following marijuana throughout the years. I do not in any way condone drug use, nor am I a drug user, unless you count my Nasonex for my out of control allergies. Marijuana, along with many other drugs were considered safe and legal at one point in history, but as soon as the old Puritan value system got a hold of it, you ended up with a little movie called "Reefer Madness" which was literally designed to scare the bejeezus out of anyone who might consider using MJ. Obviously, in retrospect, we can recognize the lies and propaganda used in that film, but here we are 60 (?) years later, and it's only helping to fuel an ever increasing criminal trade, instead of going the way of alcohol and cigarettes; made perfectly legal, but well regulated. You don't see anyone getting shot for trying to buy a fifth of JD.

Cigarettes - the only drug that will kill you if used as directed. Yet I can go into the store right up the road from my house and purchase some without someone so much as blinking an eye.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
I can understand the argument for kids who don't know better- there have been many people who have fallen down such a path and have ended up addicts and criminals because they didn't know any better. I don't really see this being the case with an adult who's suffering from a debilitating disease.
Hi Abe,if you give it some thought for a few days the arguement that its saving kids who will unknowingly become drug addicts from themselves dont hold water either,that arguement may have had truth 60 years ago but can anybody honestly say that any kid who wants it cant get it allready,also with the internet as prevelant as it is every kid on earth allready knows about it & they are learning much worse things than smoking a little MJ.

You cant even by nyquil nowdays without ID because kids are drinking entire bottles of the stuff & the politicans still claim to cling to the outdated belief that they are somehow helping:rolleyes:.

My veiws on their reasoning behing the MJ laws are more along the lines of raping people they catch,MJ users typically have money & jobs,the laws for MJ are stiffer with more severe penalties than possesion or manufacturing of crack cocaine if you can believe that,its the truth.

The prosecution & fleecing of mj users has became a very big business for government & law enforcement,they do not want to give up that cash cow either.

I can be fined $10,000,000 dollars plus 15 years in jail and loose everything i own, from seizure & forfiture laws,simply for being in possesion of enough pot to last my wife one year :eek:

Anybody ever heard of a crack dealer getting fined 10 million dollars plus 15 years in jail;),no way,the state pays for the care of crack dealers if they jail them too long & they dont have the ability to pay heavy fines either,its common in michigan to hear on the news where people loose every possesion they own over mj laws,under the guise of saving innocent children.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
The reason MJ is illegal has nothing to do with how it affects humans, it has to do with Borders, and trafficking. If Canada Legalizes MJ, there will be trafficking into the US and Visa Versa. If you want to legalize MJ, any country that shares a border with that country needs to do it to. Otherwise the mobsters will come back just like they did when Alcohol was illegal.

On the topic of Medical MJ, I believe it is legal in Canada, and MJ is also decriminalized.

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mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
100% correct- the physical addiction factor for alcohol is similar to hard narcotics and cocaine. While all drugs have psychological addictions, it's the physical addiction that destroys lives.
Don't have to look too far what this drug leaves behind in its wake, all the carnage:mad:, yet, something less harmful is a class 2 drug, or something like that? I think there must be a lobby organization against it for financial reasons.
 

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