Video Gaming Cheaper to Xbox 3 and PlayStation 4

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Every industry by now feels the effects of the economic slowdown. The good news for gamers is that it's not just the price of gas that's being throttled back, it's also your favorite hobby. Research suggests the cost of not only consoles but the games themselves is going to get cheaper until the release of next generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony – and we're already hearing rumors about future console's technology.


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[TheD]

"But Sony has long said it foresees a ten-year life cycle for PS3 making 2012 difficult to believe considering it was only released in 2006"



That means they are planing to still sell it for ten years, not that it will be the flagship console for ten years!!

In 8 years time the PS3 will be even more hopelessly outdated than it is today.

[Wayde Robson]

Yeah, yer right TheD.

I'm not a fanboy defending any one console but... PS3 is the most advanced out there now.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next gen. Will there even be much focus at all on being an all-in-one media box? Or will they turn to the Wii model which has proved so successful.

Is the Wii an anomaly or the sign of a future of simplified, stripped down, game-focused consoles?

I hope not! I still hold out that dream of a unified set-top-box that does HD video, audio, streams internet, games, etc. etc. Even if I do have to deal with one company's quirks.

[Tom Andry]

Sony does tend to overlap consoles (the PS2 is still being sold now with new games coming out as well) though I wouldn't classify the PS3 as "outdated." Maybe in comparison to the uber-PC-gamers which measure everything by how well it can run Crysis but certainly not in comparison to the console competition out there.

[lsiberian]

"But Sony has long said it foresees a ten-year life cycle for PS3 making 2012 difficult to believe considering it was only released in 2006"



That means they are planing to still sell it for ten years, not that it will be the flagship console for ten years!!

In 8 years time the PS3 will be even more hopelessly outdated than it is today.

The system is getting a 45nm processor, plays blu-rays better than any other system, has all the network capabilities needed for online gaming and has many very good titles for it.

How is it outdated?

Maybe in 8 years, but with the economic downturn this may not be the case.

IMO games are already good enough and realistic enough. The PS3 will have a lot of staying power because they are updating and improving it's new models. It uses the best media available and is a full entertainment center not just a game system. Plus it has more than 3 buttons.

[GlocksRock]

A 10 year life cycle doesn't mean that they won't release a new console for 10 years, it means they still expect to sell the console for 10 years as well as release games for it, but they are most likely going to release a PS4 before the PS3 has been out for 10 years.

It would be very nice for the price of new games to come down some, I think $60 for a new release is a bit high.

[Wayde Robson]

As the general jist of the article went... I believe the cycles are slowing down for turning over technology.

Hence 360 and PS3 should last longer.

You NEVER saw Sega Genesis or orig. nintendo getting a CPU facelift like both PS3 and Xbox have done. They're not even the same systems that launched anymore.

Graphics require no more leaps in resolution - aliasing (jaggies) has been solved - resolution gives you nothing beyond 720P - until you start playing with 100" monitors.

Modern developments in graphics have more to do with APIs, textures, maps and 3d geometry.

I remember when I used to get a new video card (or at least felt I had to) just to play a new game. Through the 90s I must have bought about one video card a year.

My newest PC is now about three years old and still plays modern 3D shooters near-flawlessly. Although I haven't actually played through one in a long, long time.

So, maybe it's just me getting old and being satisfied with games on consoles.

However... The space between an affordable 486/66 and Pentium/100 with a 3DFX card installed was relatively short yet the net-effect of that upgrade was so significant in those days it literally boggled your mind. Well, it boggled mine. I tell you - my mind is not so easily boggled!

BTW. I assumed the TheD was just saying that the technology in PS3 has been exceeded in general terms because it's at least two years old. As a console I don't know that he's dissing it compared to any competitor.

[MinusTheBear]

The system is getting a 45nm processor, plays blu-rays better than any other system, has all the network capabilities needed for online gaming and has many very good titles for it.

How is it outdated?

Maybe in 8 years, but with the economic downturn this may not be the case.

IMO games are already good enough and realistic enough. The PS3 will have a lot of staying power because they are updating and improving it's new models. It uses the best media available and is a full entertainment center not just a game system. Plus it has more than 3 buttons.

Its got everything except good development tools which is one of the most important aspects of a gaming console. One thing overlooked by Sony when implementing the cell processor for its design.

[TheD]

Yeah, yer right TheD.

I'm not a fanboy defending any one console but... PS3 is the most advanced out there now.

Not really.

The PS3 has a number of huge oversites in it's design.... like, The blu ray drive is too slow for the the amount of data it has to transfer (that is why a lot of PS3 games need installs),

The memory is split up between 2 pools and it makes it harder to load balance the assets,

the PS3 is far harder to program for because of how basic the board logic for loading data to the SPEs and back again is,

the PS3 has a less powerful GPU (which btw is far more important most of the time than how powerful the CPU is) made worse by the fact it is a older design that has separate Pixel and Vertex pipelines vs the 360's unified shader pipelines.

I hope not! I still hold out that dream of a unified set-top-box that does HD video, audio, streams internet, games, etc. etc. Even if I do have to deal with one company's quirks.

Look up what a HTPC is.

Maybe in comparison to the uber-PC-gamers which measure everything by how well it can run Crysis but certainly not in comparison to the console competition out there.

Only a fanboy would say such a thing.

So you attack people because they are using a game that is just about the biggest load on a PC to test how fast it is (just one of many games I might add)... GREAT!

When it comes to how fast a console is, a highend PC has always been the benchmark. That is because of moore's law, the just about doubling of speed each year from Nvidia and ATI and the fact that new consoles come out about every 5 years.

The system is getting a 45nm processor, plays blu-rays better than any other system, has all the network capabilities needed for online gaming and has many very good titles for it.

HAHAHA.

Just because the cell is getting a process shrink (BTW intel's core 2 CPUs have been at 45nm for sometime) does not make it any faster, the only thing it means is that the cell would cost less to make and it will run cooler.

Being able to play Blu Rays does not make it a better console, just a better Blu Ray player

So having network support (something all 3 consoles have) makes the PS3 great how????

But just about all multiplatform games look and run worse on the PS3 vs the 360 (this comes back to how hard it is to get good speed out of it)

IMO games are already good enough and realistic enough.

Look at game, look outside, nough said.

The PS3 will have a lot of staying power because they are updating and improving it's new models.

But the new models can not be any faster.

Plus it has more than 3 buttons.

As do all 3 consoles.

You NEVER saw Sega Genesis or orig. nintendo getting a CPU facelift like both PS3 and Xbox have done. They're not even the same systems that launched anymore.

Huh??????????? Both the 360 and PS3 have not got a "cpu facelift", they are just getting die shrinks (like a far few consoles before hand have).

Graphics require no more leaps in resolution - aliasing (jaggies) has been solved - resolution gives you nothing beyond 720P - until you start playing with 100" monitors.

What the hell are you smoking????

Aliasing as still alive and well, the fact you think that anything above 720p (BTW a far few games on the 360 and PS3 run below 720P, some are even SD res!) is waste just shows how clueless you are, the res you need is based on how big the tv is and how far you are away from it.

Modern developments in graphics have more to do with APIs, textures, maps and 3d geometry.

And all of that needs more powerful GPUs to run on.

BTW. I assumed the TheD was just saying that the technology in PS3 has been exceeded in general terms because it's at least two years old. As a console I don't know that he's dissing it compared to any competitor.

That is how it started but because of the huge amounts of misinformation that people have posted in this thread the 360 was drawn into it.

[yettitheman]

Not really.

The PS3 has a number of huge oversites in it's design.... like, The blu ray drive is too slow for the the amount of data it has to transfer (that is why a lot of PS3 games need installs),

The memory is split up between 2 pools and it makes it harder to load balance the assets,

the PS3 is far harder to program for because of how basic the board logic for loading data to the SPEs and back again is,

the PS3 has a less powerful GPU (which btw is far more important most of the time than how powerful the CPU is) made worse by the fact it is a older design that has separate Pixel and Vertex pipelines vs the 360's unified shader pipelines.



Look up what a HTPC is.



Only a fanboy would say such a thing.

So you attack people because they are using a game that is just about the biggest load on a PC to test how fast it is (just one of many games I might add)... GREAT!

When it comes to how fast a console is, a highend PC has always been the benchmark. That is because of moore's law, the just about doubling of speed each year from Nvidia and ATI and the fact that new consoles come out about every 5 years.


HAHAHA.

Just because the cell is getting a process shrink (BTW intel's core 2 CPUs have been at 45nm for sometime) does not make it any faster, the only thing it means is that the cell would cost less to make and it will run cooler.

Being able to play Blu Rays does not make it a better console, just a better Blu Ray player

So having network support (something all 3 consoles have) makes the PS3 great how????

But just about all multiplatform games look and run worse on the PS3 vs the 360 (this comes back to how hard it is to get good speed out of it)



Look at game, look outside, nough said.


But the new models can not be any faster.


As do all 3 consoles.



Huh??????????? Both the 360 and PS3 have not got a "cpu facelift", they are just getting die shrinks (like a far few consoles before hand have).




What the hell are you smoking????

Aliasing as still alive and well, the fact you think that anything above 720p (BTW a far few games on the 360 and PS3 run below 720P, some are even SD res!) is waste just shows how clueless you are, the res you need is based on how big the tv is and how far you are away from it.



And all of that needs more powerful GPUs to run on.



That is how it started but because of the huge amounts of misinformation that people have posted in this thread the 360 was drawn into it.

So... you coming in to just be an ***?
Seriously, the posts you have made really have good information. No lie, or smirk. But the way you have portrayed them, makes you look like an ***.

I'm just assking!


With that said.... in general, consoles have planned obsolescence built in.
Why? Non-upgradeable (save now for downloadable firmware and replaceable drives), proprietary control format (games, specialty downloads, control interface [it's getting a bit better], encryption [what isn't now-a-days?]) and typically hardware used is either something that was derived from a older "glory day", or a new type of part with minor revisions to keep size, price, and or thermal requirements within spec.

But, somehow, they are simpler, and easier to deal with. The PS3 does a lot better than many many standalone BD players (it's considered the reference player by some publicists), the 360 has a large library of games to choose from as well as excellent LIVE service, and the Wii is so easy to play and use, even grandma can do it!

With that said, GTA4 time.