Oppo BDP-83 What price do you want to pay?

[jcilforever]

What price do you want to pay? Lets give feedback of the price we belive is fair.

A. $599
B. $499
C. $399
D. name your price

[septim]

$399 I would go for it. Anything else and I'll stick with my trusty PS3.

[rmk]

One million dollars ...
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/dr-evil.jpg

[jcilforever]

Wow you must own the company:D we will have to peg you as the CEO or Sales manager for OPPO:D

[DaveHo]

Since the EAP price was $499, I think it would be suicide for them to raise the price for the official release. If I had no interest in SACD & DVD-A, I'd stick with my BDP-S350 at any of the listed prices. Taking into consideration that I will be using this for SACD & DVD-A, I'm willing to pay the premium over other BD players. I'm fine with the $499 price.

-Dave

[egreen1976]

$399 makes it a no brainer. $599 is a no go for me!

[supervij]

Agreed. I want this player. At $399, I will buy it. At $499, I will hem and haw and possibly buy it, but start to consider other players. At $599, I will buy a different player.

cheers,
supervij

[drk98]

I think the $499.00 would be the right price!;)

[Adam]

What price do I want to pay? Free. :D

I'd pay $300 for it. I'm not saying that it's not worth more, but I won't be buying into it until that tech hits $300 or under.

[j_garcia]

I wouldn't mind getting one for $400, but I want Oppo to make money as well. If they don't make money, they won't continue to produce such high quality/value products.

[ChunkyDark]

400 or less and it's a lock. Buy it as soon as it's available.
500 would probably still get it, but would wait and see how all the new players coming out this spring stack up.
600+ would definitely buy another player as SACD and DVD-A have little interest for me.

As a side note I would like to see them release a three tiered system of players like their standard DVD players.

[j_garcia]

The SACD and DVD-A capability are the main reason why this player is the one I am after. I agree, if the price is too high, I already have a good universal SD player for those formats so I probably would just pick up a new Panny. It would be really nice to have just one player for these formats for me since I only have one set of preamp inputs and no HDMI.

[j_garcia]

One million dollars ...
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/dr-evil.jpg

That's One MEEEELION dollars :p

[DaleAV]

It's amazing the people that will spend upwards of a grand for a Pioneer or Denon...but that aside, I think the Oppo as it stands, would be a steal at $400 considering the top Panasonics, Sonys, without SACD/DVD-A sell for that. $450-500 is still reasonable. Over $500 and yes, I too might think of an alternative, but what alternative would that be?

Any ideas? Seriously, tell me an alternative that does the same and is built as well, and supported as well, for less money and I will gladly start looking at it.

[greggp2]

One million dollars ...
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/dr-evil.jpg

I love it. I'm thinking about changing my Avatar to this now!!!

[septim]

I was looking to buy a standalone for awhile now. I was thinking the Pioneer 51. Then I settled on the Oppo.

Now that Logitech is rolling out an adapter for their Harmony remotes, I am seriously considering just sticking with the PS3. Sure the upscaler is not the best but I rarely ever watch regular DVDs anymore. Its also an amazing media hub.

My next upgrade might turn out to be the heavily rumored Sony mega-changer.

[DaleAV]

One consideration is if you need analog multichannel outputs. If the 83 is successful, it does not take too much imagination to envision a digital only model and priced accordingly.

[jcilforever]

Ok guys I really do appreciate all of the feedback lets try and keep the conversation about price. Did not want to create another Oppo thread.

What would you pay for the new Oppo BDP-83

A. $599
B. $499
C. $399
D.Name your price

[DaleAV]

Is there some reason you have not created an ACTUAL poll, like this?

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=291

[Hipnotic4]

Im pretty sure at 400 they will still make a nice profit.

[Duffinator]

One million dollars ...I'll be happy to sell you one for One Million Dollars! I accept cash, check, or PayPal. :D

[JLMEMT]

It would have to be $400 for me to be seriously interested. SACD would be something I would try if I had it, but not something I am looking for.

I want Netflix streaming, so I wouldn't pay $500 and give up that.

[jcilforever]

It seems as if so far the majority want to pay $399 or less.

[DaleAV]

It seems as if so far the majority want to pay $399 or less.

Majority of some 14 posters? :rolleyes:

If you seriously wanted less side discussion and more objectivity, along with more participants which would add more significance this would be a real poll. This will go nowhere in establishing the actual price it will sell for..but has been amusing, I admit! :)

[rmk]

I'll be happy to sell you one for One Million Dollars! I accept cash, check, or PayPal. :D

But you don't have one to sell ... do you :p

Due to the overwhelming response here, I think OPPO has no choice but to lower the price. My guess is that OPPO will announce the new reduced MSLP on April 1st;):p.

Good work OP and if you guys aren't too busy, maybe you can get my ex-wife to take less alimony.

[MidnightSensi]

I'd pay 400 for it..

The trouble with the off brand stuff is it can be a hassle getting remote codes for it and rack companies don't have the faceplate dimensions (not a big deal, but, still a deal... and this doesn't look like it has ear-mounts). But I paid a grand for a Denon and it loads so slow I use the Playstation.

[mnnc]

I believe in quantity vs price. Sell them at $399 like hotcakes. The EAP price is tops for me and should include shpng.

[jostenmeat]

I believe in quantity vs price. Sell them at $399 like hotcakes. The EAP price is tops for me and should include shpng.

Amusing thread.

You get a great reputation. Good looks. Excellent VP chipset in the Anchor Bay. SACD. DVDA. All in one chassis.

Ya know, you can get two players instead, and save. Brand new BDP is what, $240, and a brand new Oppo 980 is what, $170, for the grand total of $410? Now you have double the drives to wear out. Oh wait! You can't handle the huge size of the 980 with its 2" height??

The bdp83 will be a very desirable player, and will sell plenty at $500. If you can't swallow that price tag, just look elsewhere. But, good luck, because there won't be anything else quite like it, at least for a long time, at anywhere close to that price point.

C'mon, sheesh. :rolleyes:

[DaleAV]

Amusing thread.

You get a great reputation. Good looks. Excellent VP chipset in the Anchor Bay. SACD. DVDA. All in one chassis.

The bdp83 will be a very desirable player, and will sell plenty at $500. If you can't swallow that price tag, just look elsewhere. But, good luck, because there won't be anything else quite like it, at least for a long time, at anywhere close to that price point.

C'mon, sheesh. :rolleyes:

I could not have said it better. If you can not see the advantages over more "popular brands", then fine, save your money.

Remote codes??? Logitech already has codes for the 083 and the player is not even released yet.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well, when they get DVD-A on board, I'd say $599 is a fair price.

Name me one other true universal player that can play blu-ray, DVD-Video, DVD-A, CD, and DSD SACD for under $3,800?:D

[rmk]

Well, when they get DVD-A on board, I'd say $599 is a fair price.

Name me one other true universal player that can play blu-ray, DVD-Video, DVD-A, CD, and DSD SACD for under $3,800?:D

Then you'll be happy to hear that DVD-A is working as of the most recent firmware upgrade.:cool:

This player has performed flawlessly for me and at $499 (EAP and I believe MSLP) is very well priced.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Then you'll be happy to hear that DVD-A is working as of the most recent firmware upgrade.:cool:

This player has performed flawlessly for me and at $499 (EAP and I believe MSLP) is very well priced.

If I had not bought the Denon DVD-3800BDCI, I would be buying this Oppo player without question in a heart beat.

Oppo has my respect big time.

[j_garcia]

It seems as if so far the majority want to pay $399 or less.

There's a difference between what people want to pay and what something will actually cost though.

[DaleAV]

There's a difference between what people want to pay and what something will actually cost though.


Again, if the Oppo attributes are not enough to tweak anyone, they could certainly save by buying Sony, Panasonic, etc. and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

[jcilforever]

There's a difference between what people want to pay and what something will actually cost though.

Yes, supply and demand dictates pricing. Just as it did a couple of months ago when I bought my TV for half of MSRP. I believe that with a faultering economy, demand can also faulter thus creating a discount of $399 similar to the TV's and my receiver that I bought for half of MSRP as well.

People here love audio/visual but we are in the minority who are willing to pay for it. OPPO can not afford to manufacture just for us and need more exposure, they need to sell alot more!

How many friends do you have that are willing to drop $499 on a Blu Ray in the next six months? This is how they work through word of moth advertising.:)

[lexvid]

How many friends do you have that are willing to drop $499 on a Blu Ray in the next six months? This is how they work through word of moth advertising.:)

If the OPPO is more than $499, I may have to pass and pick up the Pio 51FD since I have seen it on sale for $399. $100 may not seem like alot but, like most, I have limited resources. The question is - is the Pio equivalent to the new Oppo at that price or is it wishful thinking just to save a few bucks?

[jcilforever]

People here love audio/visual but we are in the minority who are willing to pay for it. OPPO can not afford to manufacture just for us and need more exposure, they need to sell alot more!



When it costs $3million to retool a line for bluray they need to sell more than just a few thousand units. So OPPO if you are listening if you drop the price to $399 you have my cash and probably 50% more sales!


"CBHD discs and players are cheap to make according to OMNERIC, which claims that retooling a DVD production line to CBHD only costs $800,000 compared to the approximately $3 million that it costs to retool to Blu-ray production, and licensing fees to CHDA are lower, further reducing costs." http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/warner-hd-format-war-china

[Padge1]

$399 - No Brainer
$499 - Still a great value, but may wait a few months to purchase.
$599 - Will probably stick to having two separate pieces

[DaleAV]

When it costs $3million to retool a line for bluray they need to sell more than just a few thousand units. So OPPO if you are listening if you drop the price to $399 you have my cash and probably 50% more sales!


"CBHD discs and players are cheap to make according to OMNERIC, which claims that retooling a DVD production line to CBHD only costs $800,000 compared to the approximately $3 million that it costs to retool to Blu-ray production, and licensing fees to CHDA are lower, further reducing costs." http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/warner-hd-format-war-china

Why don't you campaign against Sony, Panasonic, etc too? After all, they are pushing $399 players that are not as capable as the Oppo (which you believe should also be $399)? :confused:

[jcilforever]

Why don't you campaign against Sony, Panasonic, etc too? After all, they are pushing $399 players that are not as capable as the Oppo (which you believe should also be $399)? :confused:

The reason those manufactures are $399 is because the demand for them is stronger than their competitors because they are better quality than their competitors. I do not set the price the consumer does. I am not "campaining" against OPPO, BTW do you work for them?;) I firmly believe that the price should be $399 and this post is proving that that is correct by the people's answers not just mine:)

[Votrax]

The $499 price tag is quite fair especially compared to some of the flagship BD players. DVD-A and SACD is a small niche market and most people wouldn't spend $100 more for something they don't need. If they did price it at $399 they would probably corner the market.

[Rickster71]

For a Blu-Ray player that hasn't been professionally reviewed.....$300

As much as I like OPPO's stuff (and I do) the EAP was nothing but a marketing ploy, and a way to test the waters in a down economy.

[rnatalli]

$299 is the max I'd pay for any BR player.

[DaleAV]

The reason those manufactures are $399 is because the demand for them is stronger than their competitors because they are better quality than their competitors. I do not set the price the consumer does. I am not "campaining" against OPPO, BTW do you work for them?;) I firmly believe that the price should be $399 and this post is proving that that is correct by the people's answers not just mine:)


Yeah, I work for them, that's why I have a Panasonic :rolleyes:

But not better quality than Oppo, having owned their products in the past.
Stop alluding yourself these one or two threads will have some impact beyond those here with unrealistic expectations.
The facts are, many, many more reviews and opinions on other forums do not find the $499 out of line at all. What you perceive as a 'majority' is restricted to a couple of threads.

[DaleAV]

The $499 price tag is quite fair especially compared to some of the flagship BD players. DVD-A and SACD is a small niche market and most people wouldn't spend $100 more for something they don't need. If they did price it at $399 they would probably corner the market.

Now that makes sense..for that matter I can see $450 being a good strategy. More (because it is MORE player than the competition) and a small step up from very good for most brands to 'better' for Oppo. But $499 is not unrealistic compared to what some will (and have) paid for more capable players. I can't blame Oppo asking for more.

$399 would be excellent, although I suspect many would not appreciate the degree of improvement.
Wish I did work for Oppo..love to pick one up at 'cost'! :)

[jcilforever]

Yeah, I work for them, that's why I have a Panasonic :rolleyes:

But not better quality than Oppo, having owned their products in the past.
Stop alluding yourself these one or two threads will have some impact beyond those here with unrealistic expectations.
The facts are, many, many more reviews and opinions on other forums do not find the $499 out of line at all. What you perceive as a 'majority' is restricted to a couple of threads.

Boy DaveAV I will just let you win on this one because no matter what I say you have to be right. Let the people speak for themselves.:)

[DaleAV]

Boy DaveAV I will just let you win on this one because no matter what I say you have to be right. Let the people speak for themselves.:)

No winning or losing here... I just don't buy your argument, nothing more than that....No one knows who will be right...could be something entirely different than either of us knows! :)

[lexvid]

DaleAV, just out of curiosity, what is 'at cost' for a panasonic since you said you work for them.

I used to work in a high-end clothing store many moons ago and mark-up on products would go as high as 400%...

[DaleAV]

DaleAV, just out of curiosity, what is 'at cost' for a panasonic since you said you work for them.

I used to work in a high-end clothing store many moons ago and mark-up on products would go as high as 400%...

I don't work for Panasonic....note my response with regards to someone else assuming I work for Oppo...was sarcastic in nature...but I do have a Panasonic player...

Next, I will be accused for working for Lockheed-Martin...but that's okay, I am retired from LM. :)

[walter duque]

Anything Internet-Direct should be as good as items costing twice as much on the open market. If the OPPO is as good as a $1000.-- player they should get $500.-- for it.

[twheeloc]

$399 after coupon discount for users with their names on the information list prior to EAP Round one or two depending on Oppo's operating cost and valid the first month or so of release.

$499 after that until they have recouped costs and can get word of mouth out there.

Then potential price drop determined by market.

This gives the true followers and those likely to advertise via word of mouth a discount.

Either that or a $100 dollar referral discount.

[DaleAV]

$399 after coupon discount for users with their names on the information list prior to EAP Round one or two depending on Oppo's operating cost and valid the first month or so of release.

$499 after that until they have recouped costs and can get word of mouth out there.

Then potential price drop determined by market.

This gives the true followers and those likely to advertise via word of mouth a discount.

Either that or a $100 dollar referral discount.

To the best of my knowledge, OD states the EAP price is for purchase by those selected to do the evaluation who want to keep their players.
The production 'release' price may be the same, or different. No one knows yet.

If you check Oppo history, they do not drop prices once in production. Only on discontinued products or the rare case of an open-box sale.

Anything else is pure conjecture at this point.

[lexvid]

Companies like Denon and others charge a King's ransom knowing they will gain a small but loyal buying segment that will demand the best and are willing to pay for it.

On the other hand, I do hope OPPO realizes that audiophiles that visit this site and others are a fraction of the market they would like to see own their products. This BluRay needs to be reasonably priced if they would like to see exceptional sales from the masses ~ no more than $399 - $449 US. Anything more is a big ask in my opinion.


That being said I have asked to be placed on the pre-order list here in Canada...:D

[walter duque]

I think I asked this question bevore but never did get an answer. Who is the OEM for OPPO or who's plattform do they use in their players?

[bborzell]

I was willing to pay $499 and did when the email came from OPPO. I have run everything I have in my CD, SACD, DVD-A, SD DVD and Blu Ray collection (as well as a ton from Blockbuster) and I have not looked back. Video and audio quality is spectacular.

I have a $1,400 Rotel DVD player in the closet. The OPPO is light years ahead of anything I have seen for twice what I paid.

[DaleAV]

I was willing to pay $499 and did when the email came from OPPO. I have run everything I have in my CD, SACD, DVD-A, SD DVD and Blu Ray collection (as well as a ton from Blockbuster) and I have not looked back. Video and audio quality is spectacular.

I have a $1,400 Rotel DVD player in the closet. The OPPO is light years ahead of anything I have seen for twice what I paid.

That's why I don't understand why some folks think going from $400 to $499 on the Oppo is breaking their arm. I have yet to hear a valid technical argument against what appears to be appropriate pricing. Of course, we all want something cheaper, that's nothing new...and guess what, the Oppo is a LOT cheaper than several 'high end' players out there, and only slightly more pricey than the top line popular players that have less to offer! How is that unfair?
Oh well, guess I'm preaching to the choir in this case, anyway. :)

[DaleAV]

duplicate post, sorry...

[DaleAV]

I think I asked this question bevore but never did get an answer. Who is the OEM for OPPO or who's plattform do they use in their players?

Their own design.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15973166&highlight=china#post15973166

If they did use a 'common platform' I suspect they would have produced a BD player long before now.

[Warpdrv]

Honestly.... I'll pay what they are asking for a product that performs far better then anything out there for the money they are asking and they back it up with firmware updates.....

Just release the 83 so everyone can play along... seems you have things pretty much inline with release.

I'm willing to trust in Oppo to provide us with a flawlessly working product....

I want one, I'll pay what they have listed it at, I think its a win win product...

[PhillyDan1969]

I have been on the fence about Blu-Ray for a while now simply because I haven't found the right player at the right price for me!!! I have the Denon AVR3805 and thus I definitely need analog 5.1 to connect since I lack HDMI support on my receiver!!!

Here is my take on the price for the OPPO!!! I feel with DVD-A and SACD combined with the Blu-Ray 2.0 standards they will probably sell it at $499 and justifiably so, but I know I won't buy one!!!

DVD-A and SACD support are not what I am looking for, I want a standalone BD player that can compete with the PS3 and provide me with hi-def audio format support through 5.1 analog inputs and I don't want to pay more than $399 for it!!!

At $499 I will just stick with the PS3 and look to upgrade my A/V receiver in the near future!!!

[josko]

I'd buy it today for $499, and even $599, but think they are making a mistake announcing the product and then leaving us 'dangling' on the release date. I'd like to wait for it to come out, but am having a hard time waiting. I simply need and want to buy a BD player. Soon.

[Alamar]

From the buzz I'm hearing I doubt the unit will be priced lower than 499$. If the PS/3 stays around 400$ though I figure the most I would pay would be in the low to mid 400s if the reviews are stellar.

I prefer a 300$ device but if this unit matches the buzz it may be worth the premium ....

[Pyrrho]

What price do you want to pay? Lets give feedback of the price we belive is fair.

A. $599
B. $499
C. $399
D. name your price

If it were region free or easily "hackable (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks)", I would probably be willing to pay $599 for it. But since it isn't supposed to be, I would not even be willing to pay $399 for it. I already own the Oppo DV-983H (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/default.asp) DVD player, which is easily "hackable" (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks). In my case, I need multiregion playback, so a new player that isn't hackable is not going to replace what I already have. Therefore, the new player only needs to deal with Blu-ray, and nothing else. Unless other Blu-ray players do a crappy job of playing BD discs, there is no reason for me to spend much on a BD player. Upconversion of DVDs, SACD, and DVD-Audio playback are already well handled (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-players/284-a-secrets-dvd-player-benchmark-review.html) by the Oppo DV-983H.

[DaleAV]

I have been on the fence about Blu-Ray for a while now simply because I haven't found the right player at the right price for me!!! I have the Denon AVR3805 and thus I definitely need analog 5.1 to connect since I lack HDMI support on my receiver!!!

Here is my take on the price for the OPPO!!! I feel with DVD-A and SACD combined with the Blu-Ray 2.0 standards they will probably sell it at $499 and justifiably so, but I know I won't buy one!!!

DVD-A and SACD support are not what I am looking for, I want a standalone BD player that can compete with the PS3 and provide me with hi-def audio format support through 5.1 analog inputs and I don't want to pay more than $399 for it!!!

At $499 I will just stick with the PS3 and look to upgrade my A/V receiver in the near future!!!

Most certainly sound reasoning on your part!

[olddog]

399.00 would be a comfortable trigger price. At 499.00 I would have to think twice and consider the WAF factor also in these troubling times.

[goodman]

I have a PS3 and my wife has a laptop with a BD reader. I would like to have the Oppo, but I won't pay $500. Even at $400, I hesitate. At $300, it would be a go.

[DaleAV]

I have a PS3 and my wife has a laptop with a BD reader. I would like to have the Oppo, but I won't pay $500. Even at $400, I hesitate. At $300, it would be a go.

Obviously, since nothing else gets even close to it at that price. ;)

Sticking with Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, etc. is not a bad way to go at all at that price-point!

[mardelgo]

$399 Tops.
Right now you can buy a Pioneer BDP-51FD for $300 has everything I need (I already have a oppo 980h for sacd and dvd-audio but I never listen in this formats anyway) and I like the pioneer construction...<img src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/485/piobd51rueckseitegesamt.jpg" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/><br/>By <a target="_new" href="http://profile.imageshack.us/user/mardelgo">mardelgo</a> at 2009-04-29
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[henrii]

$499 is currently a bargain for a true universal (BD, DVD-V, DVD-A, CD, SACD) player.

[ricks778]

I agree with Henrii. This is a question of price for a "True" universal "All-in-one" player. the only other one I know of that is planned to be out soon. is the Denon DVD-A1UDCI. At over $4000. So what is wrong with Oppo asking $500 or more dollars for it, if it is a really good player.
This is not a discussion about something you don't need.

[PhillyDan1969]

The only thing not "universal" about the Oppo is that it is a not a region free Blu-Ray player!!!

[AcuDefTechGuy]

$500 for a true Universal Player is a bargain.

I would get one, except I already have a Denon BD player, an Oppo SACD/DVD-A player, and 2 HTPCs.:D

$500 is a great price.

[DaleAV]

The only thing not "universal" about the Oppo is that it is a not a region free Blu-Ray player!!!

That's the problem! Oppo spoiled you guys in the past with region free players!

I understand, it would not be cheap to have an after-market mod either, if even possible.

5 big ones is not chump change. But there is no alternative for a player with the same credentials, if there even is one around.