Xbox 360, PS3, or Nintendo Revolution [Archive] - Audioholics Home Theater Forums

no man

05-21-2005, 01:13 AM

Which, out of the three soon-to-be-released consles would you get any why???

I'd go for xbox 360 because the PS3 overinflted it numbers-biased number-and i've lost trust in Nintendo because the gamecube was a failure-they said that there would be full online servers and stuff-like xbox and ps2- but there were only 4 online games. I've played xbox many times and although for the first few months there were many reported cases or them crashing, they fixed the glich, and the graphics were stunning. another reason why i want to get it is that halo 3's coming out next spring :D :D :D. Most people will just go for the console that their previous one was made by (gamecube-revolution or xbox-xbox 360 or PS2-PS3) just because they already know the system. I have a gamecube and i want the xbox360 because it has a remote to turn it on so i dont have to get up ;) and because it has an embedded 10MB EDRAM which puts it above the rest. The main reason is that Microsoft has really been obsessed with xbox and less enthusiastic of computer and has been releasing far more games for xbox than computer. if this trend continues, i want to be a step ahead and take adventage of it, also my computer is getting old and soon wont be able to support the newest games (256 ram). I dont know why but ive never like the PS or PS2...i kind of think of them as i rip off of the xbox, with isnt correct but...i dont know i just dont trust PS. What happened to dreamcast or whatever it was (that wierd console that had a two year battery??? sega dreamcast wasnt it???) anyway...that my opinion and my choice. its up to you which you want and if you want. My advice is...check out the specs and up comming games and dont rely on past console for you whole opinon.

Rob Babcock

05-21-2005, 01:51 AM

I'm more excited for the P3, as it's considerably superior to the 360, technically, but of course it will be a long wait. Actually, both will be a long wait. I basically have no respect for Nintendo at all, but depending upon the price I may buy their new toy.

I'll end up buying all three, in all probability. Each has their strengths, and they'll each probably have exclusive games I'll want to play. Unless you can't afford to buy them, only the diehard fanboys need to have only one.

no man

05-21-2005, 09:16 PM

Ive noticed that people are voting but not stating why...o well :P

Rock&Roll Ninja

05-22-2005, 12:55 AM

Nintendo: has (historically) controllers shaped for inhuman hands. Plus the family-friendly stereotyping tends to make me apathetic.

MicroSoft: XBox had 1 great game (and its sequel). I didn't even like it. If X-Box 1 couldn't make a single game I wanted to play, I dont have alot hope for 360

Playstation: If the rumoured Blu*Ray drives can play movies in all their HD glory I'll buy regardless. If all my PS1 & PS2 games work on it, I might pick one up even if it doesnt show BR movies (PS has the most games I like).

Really I have yet to be wowed or amazed (the fact these are all pre-production vaporware isnt helping) by any next-gen system. I'll save my money until great titles are released (who knows, Nintendo may make a comeback in my house..... not seen since the famicom).

MAX661

05-22-2005, 02:12 AM

I chose the Xbox360 because unlike the previous poster I enjoy many xbox exclusive games like:

1.Dead Or Alive 4 "Best martial arts series ever created"
2.Ninja Gaiden
3.Halo 3
4.Shenmue Series
5.Forza Motorsport
And the list could go on.

After stating that, I am also waiting for the PS3 for it's exclusive games like:
1.Grand Theft Auto
2.Tenchu Series
and also it's extra capabilities "Blu-Ray mostly", 1080p and so on...

I think there should also be a section in the poll for people who plan to buy both. The only reason I bought a gamecube also was for mariokart, so if a new version comes out I think I will have to try that to.

Catdaddy

05-22-2005, 03:25 PM

Ill buy both the XBox 360 and PS3, probably the Nintendo too. I have the gamecube, too .. need to add that to my sig.

I was intially more excited about the new xbox but after reading the specs on both I have to say im more excited about the PS3 now. It isnt rumored anymore, it will have a blu-ray drive and will be able to output at 1080p.

no man

05-22-2005, 05:18 PM

ALthough PS3 may have a minor technical advantage, it cant compete with Xbox's user friendly system. ive heard that the numbers are over exadurated, but never the less will be able to support 1080p (wich burns me up because i feel that microsoft is just being a cheap-***), but the xbox360 will have better processors (three 3.2 gh processors). The 360 has three 3.2GHz PPE cores. The PS3 has one 3.2GHz PPE core with seven SPEs (and one redundant SPE). "The 2 TFLOPS number for the PS3 is a misnomer as well as it assumes only single-precision calculations, which are often error prone. When it comes to the application of the Cell within the bounds of producing game graphics, A.I, audio, physics, etc, the Cell and GPU must produce double-precision calculations which results in a 10:1 hit in performance. So the realistic output of the PS3 is reduced significantly." (nick_danger)
aside from that just because sony says they'll have dual 1080p output doesnt mean they will

no man

05-22-2005, 05:20 PM

who knows...there's still a good wait untill they come out...also the xbox360 has 10MB embedded EDRAM which will put it above PS3 and the online abilities are far better (and way more cusomizable :D)

Catdaddy

05-22-2005, 08:28 PM

My feeling on it is regardless of the advantage one might have over the other, in terms of games, game titles will be more than likely produced for one over the other .. except for the exclusives .. which both pretty much get their own. Both will run the games relatively close in graphics, one machine having the edge over the other.

If the Xbox 360 runs the games with the same kind of edge in graphics as the Xbox currently runs them over the PS2 .. with the PS 3 having 1080 P and blu-ray, personally, it will have a much greater appeal to me.

I dont have ANY machine that is capable of outputting or displaying 1080p and the only HD playable devices I have are my firewire STB and my JVC D-VHS player and a HD DVD player will move both of those machines down the list as my most favorite device.

Even if the blu-ray doesnt get much support from other studios, Sony itself has enough movie content to make the blu-ray viable by itself, and just like with the PSP and their uni-disk, they wont have a problem making a buck on content for that format.

Microsoft is requiring content makers for the X360 to make their games run at 720p or 1080i only, which is nice .. and im betting most of the content for the PS 3 will follow suit, though i havent heard that Sony is requiring that.

This one isnt even close. If at release the xbox 360 will not be capable of 1080p output and will not have a HD optical device I dont think it will be winning any console wars with Sony.

no man

05-23-2005, 04:39 PM

I personally feel that sony's waisting their money on the dual 1080p output...not many people have TWO of em...the majority of people who own a tv that can support it only have one. and as said before the PS3's controlls are alll skrewed up...they look like a gayass boomarang...now im not all that into tv (which is proven by the fact that ive only got two standard tvs-20" and a 28"-they 28" gets the xbox (of cource..)) but once i get my box that'll probably change. Although there may be a growing popularity for 1080p i think it will be more emphisized for the xbox 3 or whatever (the next next generation of gaming consoles) by then i think 1080p will be more popular and there may be somwthing better (2160p possibly???time will tell...) i think that microsoft should make the box support 1080p but...then again i wont care...actually i think its good the way it is...so what if PS3 has dual output...i doubt people will drag both their 1080p tv's in the same room just to play sum game...ps is more for sport games as ive noticed...more e-t ratings....anyway i think its awsome that the xbox will be able to hook up with your computer...ill be looking forward to that....ill need a long cable tho...two rooms down to it...hmm ill just drill a hole thu the wall so its all good

Clint DeBoer

05-23-2005, 05:00 PM

I'm guessing this is a misunderstanding of how that power and technology can be used. Also, they stated that controller was a mockup and may not be final.

I would think that it's safe to say they don't expect people to haul two large HD projectors or televisions into the gaming room. ;)

Tom Andry

05-23-2005, 05:10 PM

I would think that it's safe to say they don't expect people to haul two large HD projectors or televisions into the gaming room.

Though I know a guy that would do it.

no man

05-23-2005, 08:49 PM

i still say those companies should wait untill hd is more popular...

slmcdonald7

05-23-2005, 10:34 PM

i still say those companies should wait untill hd is more popular...

Why? I see nothing wrong with ushering in the HD era. With more people wanting HD equipment, manufacturers will race to provide them at cheaper costs. This way, everyone wins. I have no concept of what a tetraflop is, but I know that I want about seven of them . . .

Catdaddy

05-23-2005, 10:44 PM

The current generation xbox already supports HD, There are several 720 p games out there already.

BMXTRIX

05-24-2005, 02:17 AM

i still say those companies should wait untill hd is more popular...
Yeah, I keep trying to find HD televisions... Just so hard to find. :cool:

Really, I can see a PS3 in a PC area hooked up to separate 1920x1200 23" LCD displays pretty easily for some serious head-to-head gaming.

Otherwise - Blu-Ray Disc + an incredible arsenal of games that will be out right away make PS3 the only way to go in my opinion.

b_panther_g

05-24-2005, 08:35 AM

I really like this thread.

For me it's all about the games. I like several games on the X-Box, so I'm looking forward to the X-Box 360. I'm not into sports games so, from a gaming standpoint, the PS3 doesn't make me want to rush out and buy it.

From a technology standpoint, the PS3 has it all over the X-Box 360. The cell processor looks like it can handle the physics in real time while the rest of the system handles everything else. Thats exciting.

But, like someone else mentioned, at this time MS is requiring that everyone to make games in HD. Sony isn't and I think that it's a mistake. It's been my experience that, even on non-HD TVs, HD content looks better than standard material.

But for me it's about the games and I like the X-Box games.

Enjoy,
Panther

JohnA

05-24-2005, 11:32 AM

PS3 for me...Backwards compatible with all my current games (PS1 and PS2) ...need I say more ;)

claudermilk

05-24-2005, 02:32 PM

Agreed. I'll stick with PS. When I got my PS2 I had exactly one game for about a year: GT3. The whole reason for getting that box & the racing sim everyone else has been chasing. Besides, I've already lined Bill's pockets enough.

Mega2000

05-24-2005, 06:59 PM

i would like to get the PS3 AND but will probably lean towards the XBOX if ti is indeed backwards compatible...

actually, that isnt that big of a deal because I dont even play any of my games that are older than 1 year old, especially the sports ones.

so if I had to make a decision I would probably go with the ps3 because that seems to me more of the gaming machine and less of the online/home entertainment systems. I don't use xbox live at all and I don't care about any of that other non gaming stuff.

oh, they have one of those "free XBOX 360" sites up already. kinda like those free ipod sites. here is a link if you are interested .

FREE XBOX 360 (http://www.Free360XBOX.com/?r=18445027)

no man

05-24-2005, 07:09 PM

actually the PS3 only has one 3.2 gh processor and the xbox 360 has 3...and as said before its not really the system that matters, but what games you're into (the ps3 controllers are seriously ****ed up....). The strange thing is that consoles these days are turning into computers...hardrives....graphic cards...processors...sounds very computerish...but i'd go for a console over a comp, reason being if you get the xbox 360...for about $300+ you get three 3.2gh processor comp that (can they surf the internet?? tha'd be messed...) can play games at a much smoother and faster rate than a computer....thats all they really are...juiced up computers, built only for games

no man

05-24-2005, 08:27 PM

I plan to buy one of the three and not care about the others. It seems that i will get the xbox360 and all its little accecories such as the remote and such. the main thing that repels me from the ps3 is aside from their games, is their messed up controllers..they look very uncomfortalbe and they look like boomarangs with buttons...also they're crome..which doesnt fit in with my "enviorment"...shiny is not good...it'll glare and burn your eyes out...

no man

05-25-2005, 07:03 PM

noo ps3 is in the lead by one!!
its not as good though...technoligically it may have a small advantage, but i think its winning because ps2 came out earlier and more people own them and want to take advantage of the backwards compatability

no man

05-25-2005, 10:31 PM

aha xbox wins by one

claudermilk

05-26-2005, 05:20 PM

And you have a personal stake in the poll results? :p J/K

Buy the one that suits you best and enjoy it. As I've said, if I were to update (unlikely), I'd go with PS3 simply because I'm already in that camp...and the one game I really care about is a PS exclusive.

no man

05-26-2005, 06:27 PM

i agree..im sold on halo 3

aarond

05-27-2005, 12:46 PM

Nintendo because
I hate sony
& I hate bill

no man

05-27-2005, 05:52 PM

nice :D as much as i hate sony, i don't hate bill THAT much...and nintendo is a lost hope

no man

05-28-2005, 09:22 PM

i'm wondering...will any system get over 50%???

hopjohn

05-29-2005, 03:07 AM

I'll probably own one of each of the PS3 and 360. I really see no reason to have to choose if you enjoy playing them that much. Since the 360 is coming out in November, you'd have time to save for the ps3.

The biggest advantage of having both is so that when you rent games you don't have to be quite as concerned about finding something on the shelves.

korgoth

05-30-2005, 01:08 AM

no man

05-30-2005, 10:08 PM

i heard that microsoft is rushing their xbox 360...i also heard that the new gamecube/revolution will have a triple core/proccesor

Rock&Roll Ninja

05-31-2005, 12:33 PM

I mostly play PlayStation 1 games. I can get RPG's used for about $4, and thats alot of quality game-hours for very little money (Except Castelvania: Symphony of the Night which cost me $45 on Ebay). Most of my current console games are P vs.P fighting games, because those are good at parties with beer.

And I figured if I cut back on buying bike 'stuff' I should be able to afford all three consoles by christmas. Now if they only had good games for all three.....

PS: My local videostore has a monthly subscription service, like BlockBuster, but it also covers games & porn! Sweet!

no man

06-04-2005, 05:45 PM

if the new gamecube has a triple core then...well it'll kick xbox360 and ps3's ***..there is hope for nintendo..and it will have online..its about bloody time.. :mad:

alec baldwin

06-11-2005, 11:48 AM

Is nintendo 64 backwards compatible? Im buying one off of my brother and I still have tons of super nintendo games.

WmAx

06-11-2005, 02:10 PM

i heard that microsoft is rushing their xbox 360...i also heard that the new gamecube/revolution will have a triple core/proccesor

I have no clue of what will be the best machine(real time graphics & animation), but of the technical demos from E3, at least the ones I saw, the PS3 looked alot better when comparig the best example from each machine. The best looking Xbox 360 game was the new DOA title. But it did not look much different from the existing X-box, to be honest. The Final Fantasy tech demo, though, had very impressive looking animation/graphics(supposedly done all in real-time) that looked like pre-rendered studio CGI. That being said, even if the PS3 ends up being the superior device, technically, that won't be any use in real-world applications if it's difficult to make games for it(like the PS2) that use the potential of the CPU's power.

-Chris

claudermilk

06-13-2005, 01:09 PM

Is nintendo 64 backwards compatible? Im buying one off of my brother and I still have tons of super nintendo games.

AFAIK the PS2 is the only console with backwards compatibility. That was part of the big marketing push at first--and it already had a large built-in software base. IMHO it's been a long-overdue concept for console systems.

no man

07-08-2005, 02:47 PM

how did the revolution get so many votes?? i know anyone can vote but...only 3 members voted for it. I think all three will be a hit, but i want halo 3 so that directs me at only one, have a good summer

Spiffyfast

07-08-2005, 03:45 PM

Xbox 360 is my favorite, I'm a huge Xbox fan graphics are amazing so I can't wait to see the new system. But I know I'll end up buying both so it doesnt really matter, because I'll have to play the new Grand Theft Auto and Gran Turismo when they come out for PS3

Tsunamii

07-12-2005, 10:42 AM

XBox 360 all the way, all reserved and ready to go. I just hope it has a direct DVI or HDMI connection rather then the conversion cable. Truth be told when PS3 is out for awhile and the price drops Ill pick that one up too.

jmgillespie

07-23-2005, 05:00 PM

I'll end up with all 3 but will enjoy the ps3 the most because of GTA, Tiger Woods (yes it comes out for all systems but controls are better on ps), final fantasy, need for speed most wanted and underground 3, tony hawk (as long as its not like the last one). Xbox 360 next because halo 3, star wars rotor 3, madden (like the controlls better for this one). Nintendo last because of less games I like and period, worst controller, and they will probably do something stupid like use a cartridge or regular dvd drive and no hd capability (haven't looked at the stats for this system) the games I like they will bring out are Zelda, Mario (hopefully something like 64's), and Mario kart.

no man

07-27-2005, 12:09 PM

apearantly the revolution is going to have full online and they're going to let you download all the n64 and snes classics, ps3'll have SOME, not many, ps1 games out for download.....xbox i doubt they're going to do that 'cause they havnt been out long as ps or nintendo.

is xbox360 goining to have need for speed most wanted and underground 3? kuz i want it...if not ill get it for computer...PS3 HAS BOOMERANG CONTROLLERS....they're so sad and pathetic, look very uncomfortable.

no man

08-02-2005, 07:00 PM

Spiffyfast

08-02-2005, 07:18 PM

all the husle and busle about the ps3 and its last in the polls..i think the price is the thing that will drive people away from buying it..and its adaptivity and customizability, unlike the xbox 360, very customizable..

plus the 360 is coming out about 6 months before so if you are willing to fork over a couple hundred to get it, whos going want to do it all again to get the ps3, not I

no man

08-04-2005, 01:46 PM

well some people are gameaholics and have extra cash to blow so they would get other systems..i wouldn't. I'd get one and stick with it, unless it really sucked and then i'd sell it and get another but who knows

no man

08-04-2005, 01:55 PM

im goin for the ps3.. blue ray is the new disc, how can you hate sony when they are responsible for leading everyone into new better technologies. If they hadnt started up blue ray we'd be stuck with hd-dvd because toshiba?? was too cheap to use differnt machinery, and could only fit 30 gigs onto their new media.

xbox 360 is going to use the outdated regular dvd.. 9 gigs max compared to 50? i wonder which games will be better...

sony also has better games.. ffx, god of war, etc plus the ps2 slim is awesome.

im actually playing ff7 right now and its still cool.. ps1 game.

360 does come out way sooner than ps3 though, 360 is supposed to be this year i think.. and ps3 a year from now. if i remember right

an older post but i felt like taking a stand for microsoft (those basterds..)

microsoft probably will switch to a better disk to keep up with the competition..

about the games thing..no system really has better games..it matters on what kind of games you like. alot of the games will be for all the systems like splinter cell and such so it won't be all the much of a diff, unless you've got 2 1018p huge *** tv's..stupid pointless feature if you ask me..unless you've got money flying out you're wazu then i guess you'll like it but for the general population...pointless..

no man

08-05-2005, 01:55 PM

Jedi2016

08-05-2005, 04:50 PM

hahaha this is rich....sony's target audience for the ps3 is NOT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD!!! then who's going to buy it? Sony warned that the ps3 would be "expensive"...hmmm the predicted price for the xbox 360 is about US$299, the ps3..i'm guessing ouver US$500.

You really love posting old news, don't you? I come here, I see a new post, think it might actually be new information, and all I see is you overly excited about something the rest of us read a month ago.

Oh, and the estimated price for PS3 is $399. That's what's actually being reported, anyway.. I've noticed a tendency for Microsoft fans to continually inflate the cost of the rival system.. I've heard rumored prices as high as a thousand dollars. Look at it realistically, please.

Spiffyfast

08-05-2005, 05:17 PM

You really love posting old news, don't you? I come here, I see a new post, think it might actually be new information, and all I see is you overly excited about something the rest of us read a month ago.

Oh, and the estimated price for PS3 is $399. That's what's actually being reported, anyway.. I've noticed a tendency for Microsoft fans to continually inflate the cost of the rival system.. I've heard rumored prices as high as a thousand dollars. Look at it realistically, please.

Well, realistically the PS2 I think was started at 400, so there is no way the PS3 will start that low, plus its so advanced there is no way they can release it anywhere close to $400 w/o losing a lot of money, which they could, but I dont see that happening. The 360 is going to stomp it anyway so it doesnt really matter, as long as I can get Grand Theft Auto on the Xbox I dont see a need for the PS3

Jedi2016

08-05-2005, 06:09 PM

Well, realistically the PS2 I think was started at 400, so there is no way the PS3 will start that low, plus its so advanced there is no way they can release it anywhere close to $400 w/o losing a lot of money, which they could, but I dont see that happening. The 360 is going to stomp it anyway so it doesnt really matter, as long as I can get Grand Theft Auto on the Xbox I dont see a need for the PS3

PS2 launched at $299. As did the PS1 before it. And don't forget all those same "analysts" who predicted a $500 launch price for PSP.

And yes, they'll take a loss on the console at launch. ALL manufacturers do, it's been that way for years. Hell, Microsoft is still taking a loss on the Xbox.

I find your "360 is going to stomp it" comment amusing. I think they said the same thing about Xbox, and it's still being outsold 4-to-1 by PS2. If Microsoft can bump that number up to 3-to-1, or maybe even 2-to-1, come next-gen, they'll be in pretty good shape compared to the current generation. But matching or outselling PS3? Highly unlikely.

Spiffyfast

08-05-2005, 06:13 PM

I find your "360 is going to stomp it" comment amusing. I think they said the same thing about Xbox, and it's still being outsold 4-to-1 by PS2. If Microsoft can bump that number up to 3-to-1, or maybe even 2-to-1, come next-gen, they'll be in pretty good shape compared to the current generation. But matching or outselling PS3? Highly unlikely.

Because the PS2 was launched how long before? Having an established product to the market before your competition can get it there is a huge competitive advantage with anything. Just from ppl I know, no one is planning on buying the PS3 at all, the Xbox comes out earlier and its online gaming is leaps and bounds better because they are expanding on the Xbox Live system already in place that is great.

Jedi2016

08-05-2005, 08:01 PM

Actually, if you look, you'll find that neither Playstation system was first to market. Saturn launched before PS1, and Dreamcast launched before PS2. Being "first" means nothing. And the "newcomer" argument won't work either.. PS1 dominated back in '96 when it was the "newcomer" as well.

The online argument is worthwhile only to those who play online every chance they get. Me, I don't play online. I have very little interest in it. And the best games over the last few years have all been single-player offline games. Fact is, online isn't near the "second coming" that people seem to believe. Microsoft is always touting on about it's online service, yet it neglects to mention that fewer than ten percent of Xbox owners play online. In fact, Playstation 2 has more people online than Xbox does (roughly five million or so, compared to Xbox's two million).

Add to that that PS3 will most likely have a very Xbox-Live-esque online community as well, and that one last advantage may go bye-bye.

Playstation has dominated the market for the simple reason that it has all the games that people want to play. Xbox has more power, yet it's outsold 4-to-1. Xbox has a much better online service, and yet it's outsold 4-to-1. Goes to show you what people care about in their game systems, eh? And contrary to popular belief, Playstation 3 will still have all those great games.

Bottom line: I'm not going to convince you to buy a PS3. And you're not going to convince me to buy an Xbox360. But can we at least agree to post FACT and not OPINION or SPECULATION?

Buckle-meister

08-05-2005, 08:17 PM

Doesn't anybody think it odd that whilst the discussion centres around a 2-horse race between the PS3 and XBox360, the poll shows that it's even-stevens pretty much, with around a third to each of the three manumacturers?

Regards

p.s. I currently have the GameCube, but only because I love Zelda games which, naturally, are only available on Nintendos.

no man

08-06-2005, 08:47 PM

well the xbox is dominating by about 30 votes, anyway, the ps3 did come out in 2000 so comparing it to the xbox in units sold is unfair, comparing it to the dreamcast isnt fair either because, well it kind of sucked and not many people were interested in it (plus it had a 2 year battery, which has its ups and downs). i'm not trying to convince anyone, well we all are, we back up our opinions with facts and the console we talk most about is the one we're influencing other on.

the xbox currently does have a better online network than ps2, the xbox 360 comes with silver or gold or some xbox live thing already on it so you don't have to run and get it, the subscription i don't really know about, you may get a few months free (maybe 6 months but i'm not sure, double check- i will and i'll get back on this, unless someone else gets the info first). i think the xbox 360'll have better online features than ps3.

games are the key to which system wins, well profit wise, most money comes from games, as you already know all companies loose money on the system, but regain it and more from games. it really doesnt matter what console you get out of the two (well i'm exculding the revolution due to the lack of information on it) because they'll both have relitively the same amount of games, but sony has more sport games and the xbox has more action games and halo(2)-singling it out because its a very popular game(s) and i personally really like it (halo 2-beamswords..pretty much the main reason i'm getting the xbox 360, halo 3)-i don't know if that trend is gonig to continue with the new systems, gamecube has happy little kiddey games...hope that dies out in the revolution, is that why its named "the revolution"??

one of the main thing that pushes me away from the ps3, aside from -POSSIBLE- high price, is the controllers, ive said this before but...they really bug me, they look like boomerangs, seriously..and the xbox 360 has a nicer exterior..

Sheep

08-07-2005, 03:21 AM

the new P# is a better "computer" then the xbox, and nintendo revolution.

But the main thing over looked is the technology. P3 uses a cell proccessor, and it doesn't run under the x86 standard set up like EVERY computer device made. Thusly, the games for P3, will ONLY be for P3. And because it has the best games.... well, i think the answer is obvious.

sheep

Buckle-meister

08-07-2005, 09:29 AM

...gamecube has happy little kiddey games...

HaHaHa! I know what you mean, but it's only Nintendo's own games that are 'happy little kiddey games'; Prince of persia and Metroid Prime are two that I would have to classify differently.

And anyway, even if the likes of Zelda looks 'kiddey', it still involves a bit of thought to solve the various puzzles.

Regards

Tsunamii

08-08-2005, 08:42 AM

Sheep, If Sony comes out with PS3 in 2007, with a heafty price tag (1k or so) what happens to your judgement. Cell Processor tech has yet to be proven in the field, granted sounds very cool more then 3 times as fast as a PC today but what will that be in 2007? There are alot of tech items in history that on paper are better then the other but that does not mean that it will out sell or win any market share. Its anyone guess what will happen on this next line up.

Rock&Roll Ninja

08-08-2005, 11:07 AM

Since Black Fridays is looming closer and closer, has there been any word on an official street-date for any of the three game machines?

Tsunamii

08-08-2005, 01:20 PM

For 360 it has been said if "all goes right" (Time Mag) then Thanksgiving. The last I heard on PS3 was that they have 2 strategies one if Xbox does well (then get it out ASAP) the other if it does not (the 2007 was the date tossed out)....

no man

08-08-2005, 08:48 PM

sorry havent been on till about 7pm (central time) so ive got stuff to say to more than one person:

buckle-meister --> zelda windwaker was a discrase to zelda, i guess nintendo saw that their largest audience was happy go lucky kiddies so..you do that math..nintendo may be counting on those same kiddies for their $$$ but who knows for sure

Tsunamii --> they've been saying that it'll come out thanksgiving, but i'm guessing middle of november. do you think they'll have a sale for it during boxing day of will stores just excude it from sales??

I agree about the response to sheep, sony'll loose more than 1.8 billion, well thats my guess, in the first year because, think of all the people (preteens, early teens) who still live with their parents, most middle class parents would gladly get their kids a ps3, that is before they hear about its hefty price tag..then.."get a job if you want it" will probably be one of the common responses. even people who dont live with their 'rents may not want to blow $1000+++ on a console, i know i wouldn't, you could get a **** load 'a stuff with that amount (think about how much KD you could get with it?!!!!). i think sony shouldnt have jumped right at the idea of the cell processor, after all they might just face plant into a brickwall if it backfires (a component may not function to its full capacity due to it, or a component may not work well with another, that sort of thing).

Sheep --> OoOoOo..ps3 met x86 COMPUTER STANDERDS....i plan to buy a console, not a ****ing computer....no offence or anything but i just wanna play games on it from time to time, i dont give a **** if it can shoot out pizza's out of its disc drive (although that would come in handy, negative of it you'd have to buy little frozen pizzas from your local store and cut them thin..) i just want it to be able to play HALO 3 and other games, like HALO 2 or the original HALO...mechassult and other new games. tell you the truth, i dont like sony games, exept for the few like that..atv and dirt bike racing thing..you know what i'm talking about..so frankly..i'm perfectly fine with the xbox 360's capacity, games, underachevement in computer standards, and it$ lovely price.

will the ps3 be able to play any other games than the games that sony makes?? 'cause if it cant..hahaha have fun

Tsunamii

08-08-2005, 09:05 PM

Black Friday is the projected date even though it was earlier reported that Nov 2nd was. Retailers are saying they have already sold their first 2 tiers of an allowed 3 without taking online orders, just reserves. Though who knows there are liars, damn liars and statisticians.
If the price is right it will sell big.. IMHO

no man

08-08-2005, 11:48 PM

whats IMHO mean and whens black friday? i looked at my calender and...yea i got nothing other than verterans day. it probably will sell big, very big

Spiffyfast

08-09-2005, 12:08 AM

whats IMHO mean and whens black friday? i looked at my calender and...yea i got nothing other than verterans day. it probably will sell big, very big

IMHO is .... in my honest opinion, and isnt black friday the friday after thanksgiving when everyone goes shopping....not quite sure, but thought i'd heard that b/f

no man

08-09-2005, 12:30 AM

it'll probably stomp all over ps3, in profit (i dont just mean the console, games and accesories, etc) and units sold. ps2 may have more people on their online network than xbox, but comparing xbox 360 to ps3, xbox 360'll have way, way more people on their network than ps3 (not counting ps2 and xbox online users)

no man

08-09-2005, 12:34 AM

hmm, it kinda annoys me when you're writing a post and someone posts anothing post before you can post a post leaving your post older than their post, leaving your post out of order from all the other posts. :D lots of posts

no ones answered my older question, still from today but.... ... .. do you think they'll have a sale for xbox 360 during boxing day (26th of december) of will stores just excude it from sales??

no man

08-09-2005, 12:37 AM

o yea, thanks spiffy

FYI, IMHO i think the xbox 360 will be more popular than the ps3 :)

no man

08-09-2005, 12:37 AM

(plus it lookes better :D)

no man

08-09-2005, 01:18 AM

has sony realeased any specs, i mean full specs like the xbox 360, or are we still sitting on our asses here?

Tsunamii

08-09-2005, 08:19 AM

Yes Black Friday is the day after thanksgiving. Boxing day, hummm I cant honestly answer maybe you could rephrase your question? Why would a retailer not sell it if it was available??? If X360 has been released outside of the US then.

no man

08-09-2005, 12:23 PM

what i mean is, the day after christmas, the 26th of december (boxing day). Do you think retailers are going to put the x360 on sale? usually on boxing day theres a massive sale in all stores...

Tsunamii

08-09-2005, 12:31 PM

Ohhh I C... I highly doubt it will be on sale that quick. I don't know the legalities if a retailer wanted to mark it down and take a hit on the price but I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft wouldn't allow it. You will probably see a price drop when PS3 comes out. That and halo 3 on the day of launch for PS3...

no man

08-09-2005, 01:27 PM

thats what i though too, i'll just get the xbox360 when it first comes out with a game or 2, then i'll get halo 3 :D

do you plan to get xbox360?

Buckle-meister

08-09-2005, 01:43 PM

buckle-meister --> zelda windwaker was a discrase to zelda, i guess nintendo saw that their largest audience was happy go lucky kiddies so..you do that math..nintendo may be counting on those same kiddies for their $$$ but who knows for sure

Each to their own. I for one really liked it. Bear in mind though, prior to getting the Gamecube, my last console was the SNES, so you probably get some idea of how much of an improvement (in visuals at least) the Windwaker was to me. ;)

Regards

Spiffyfast

08-09-2005, 01:51 PM

forget these new consoles, nothing beats the best of them all, old school nintendo

no man

08-09-2005, 02:15 PM

ahhh yes, the simple 2d graphics, easy to play, fun for all, get the Nintendo revolution and you can just download the classics

Spiffyfast

08-09-2005, 02:33 PM

I might know someone who has like 1,000 nintendo roms and can play them that way....but I'm not sure....?

Tsunamii

08-09-2005, 03:15 PM

You would use an emulator and download the games and play via that.

no man

08-09-2005, 05:26 PM

i used to have a gameboy emulator, then my computer crashed..

Spiffyfast

08-09-2005, 05:44 PM

You would use an emulator and download the games and play via that.

I know ;)

Tsunamii

08-09-2005, 09:51 PM

Spiffyfast, I Figured as much from your other posts but ya never know....

Off the top of my head I am pretty bummed out that X360 is not wireless ready, I am sick of using my bridge for it.....

Spiffyfast

08-09-2005, 10:36 PM

that sucks, I thought they said it was going to be when they had the MTV special about it. Ill wire it anyway though so it wont bother me too much. I do like that all the controllers are wireless, but buying new batteries is gonna suck

Jedi2016

08-09-2005, 10:47 PM

I do like that all the controllers are wireless, but buying new batteries is gonna suck

Point, Playstation. :)

PS3 controllers are rechargable out of the box.. nothing extra to buy.

Speaking of extra stuff to buy, I keep hearing that the XB360's hard drive will NOT, in fact, be packed in, but will be sold separately. What's the latest on that?

no man

08-10-2005, 11:26 AM

just get rechargable batteries...its pretty much the same then, just have an extra set of them and there nothing to worry about, get nickel metal hydride batteries, they're the newest type of rechargable batteries and they're fairly cheap too. i have some of them from energizer, they look like regular batteries....but they're green, black, and silver. the green is what distingiushes it from other batteries, alkaline is blue, lithium is blue, nickel recharchable is green.

no man

08-10-2005, 11:29 AM

Speaking of extra stuff to buy, I keep hearing that the XB360's hard drive will NOT, in fact, be packed in, but will be sold separately. What's the latest on that?

so where did you find this information? sounds like bogus to be, other wise it would be on their official site, i'm not calling you a liar, just possible incorrect :) . i can understand sony making dimwhit moves, but not microsoft..

no man

08-10-2005, 12:21 PM

Spiffyfast, I Figured as much from your other posts but ya never know....

Off the top of my head I am pretty bummed out that X360 is not wireless ready, I am sick of using my bridge for it.....

what do you mean its not wireless ready??

Tsunamii

08-10-2005, 01:06 PM

From what I have read it will not have a wireless card built in. It will have a network card just not wireless. So you will have to directly jack in a cable or like I do a small patch cable to a wireless bridge and onto my wireless network.
I hope I am wrong and cant put my finger on where I read it but I did read no wireless card built in...

icemak2416

08-10-2005, 01:15 PM

Visit this forum page for all the specs for the XBOX 360...

http://forum.ccleaner.com/lofiversion/index.php/t1132.html

:)

Tsunamii

08-10-2005, 01:55 PM

The Specs on that web page are misleading or out right wrong. There is no built in wireless for X360. Microsoft has already talked about the "wireless adapter" that will plug into the usb port on X360, hence no built in. If you do a google on "x360 wireless network" you will get a ton of hits on this same topic, all saying no built in. In any event X) is around the corner and all rumors will be put to an end then.

no man

08-10-2005, 01:56 PM

Visit this forum page for all the specs for the XBOX 360...

http://forum.ccleaner.com/lofiversion/index.php/t1132.html

:)

why not just go to the official xbox360 site for specs, instead of some 3rd party site that may have incorrect information...

no man

08-10-2005, 01:59 PM

The specs for the wireless are just palin misleading on that page. Microsoft has arealy talked about the "wireless adapter" that will plug into the usb port on the X360, hence no built in wireless. Do a google on "X60 wireless network" and you will see a ton of hits on the same topic.

are you talking about the controllers or the online?

Tsunamii

08-10-2005, 02:04 PM

No man , good point. The offical page says Wi-fi ready.. ready is the key term. Id also save my money on there adapter and get a bridge that does not have the logo and save $$$

Tsunamii

08-10-2005, 02:05 PM

Online...
The Controlers are wireless and I am loving that, I know you will also have the ability to turn on the X360 remotly, its either with the controler or the mini remote or both I cant remember. A great addation so you dont have to go back to the rack and power up.

no man

08-10-2005, 02:06 PM

see..thats why i dont like other 3rd party pages...they're sometimes (ALWAYS) incorrect...stick to the official pages!

no man

08-10-2005, 02:07 PM

no man

08-10-2005, 02:09 PM

just so everyone knows, ive started up another thread, about games..talk about games that you really like or upcoming games, the site is http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12853

and its got a poll :D

Tsunamii

08-10-2005, 02:13 PM

ok, but why would it plug into the usb port, would it not make more sence to plug it into the ethernet port?
Edit: After reading more it sounds like the adapter is just an antenna that pluggs into the USB.. I take it that its another easy way to pull some more $$$ out of you... The link at the end of the specs has some pics and whatnot about the adapter.

I dont know why they are doing it that way. If that is even how it ends up being. It would make much more sence to just use the ethernet port, to me anyway.

From gamespot

Wireless Network Adapter - This adapter is an antenna unit that can be plugged into the Xbox 360's USB port for wireless connection to the Internet (wireless LAN). It is compatible with IEEE 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g.

Specs: Microsoft Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter General
Product Type Network Adapter
Compatible Console Systems Xbox 360
Product Identification
Manufacturer Microsoft
Product Line Wireless Network Adapter
Model Microsoft Xbox 360
Product Description Network Adapter
Physical
Color White
Hardware Specs
Cable Interface Plugs completly into Xbox 360
Additional Features Wireless Adapter for 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g networking
Cable Specifications
Technology Features Streams Internet for GamePlay, trasnfer between Xbox 360 and Windows Media Edition PC

Tsunamii

08-10-2005, 02:17 PM

Oh and the reason for the USB is power.. no addational power source is needed for the adapter this way and less cables to junk things up.

no man

08-10-2005, 02:30 PM

ahh i see, but will it still have an ethernet port or just usb ports?

no man

08-10-2005, 02:32 PM

nevermind, it will have an ethernet port, says so on the OFFICIAL site, not some other 3rd party **** hole site

no man

08-10-2005, 02:33 PM

online specs for xbox 360 (from official site):

Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
Built-in Ethernet port
Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
Video camera ready

no man

08-10-2005, 02:36 PM

how much do you think the remote for the x360 will go for? think it'll be universal or just for the box?

no man

08-10-2005, 02:37 PM

no man

08-10-2005, 02:51 PM

i just found out that the xbox 360 controllers have a start up (for the console) button in the certer of the controller, no extra remote is necacary for the start up function.

no man

08-10-2005, 11:02 PM

the first game i'm getting for my box is NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED!! because i love N4S Underground 2, in the new one, you get to evade cops too!! its like hot persuit and under ground 2 colided to creat a super game! :D

no man

08-10-2005, 11:26 PM

where can i pre order an xbox 360??

Tsunamii

08-11-2005, 08:19 AM

where can i pre order an xbox 360??

To pre order you will have to go into a store like EB etc. Its $50 to pre-order.

no man

08-11-2005, 09:48 AM

hmmm...i'll just wait till november :), thanks for the info

no man

08-12-2005, 08:59 PM

i just found out that ps2 has free online, xbox has pretty cheap pricing for their online (about 7-8 dollars a month-CND dollar). I dont know about ps3, anyone have the missing piece? Will ps3 have free online? or will you have to pay? (should be free for what they're charging for the system...)

although i'm definetely going with the xbox 360, i do not exclude facts and/or questions relating other systems (see, i dont have a bitter hatred for sony, ripoff artists..-i just dont like them :) )

no man

08-15-2005, 05:36 PM

hmm, Ive been watching the polls, and so far, no system has reached 40%, I'd call the system that has 50% or over the winner, because it would hold the majority of the votes, but the highest is held by the Xbox 360, and its at 39.42%, the highest I've seen is about 39.78%. Not many updates regarding specific dates and solid specs..next 3 months'll be packed with them, as november nears

no man

08-16-2005, 09:33 PM

Will the xbox 360 be backwards compatible with the original xbox??? WILL I BE ABLE TO PLAY VICE CITY ON THE XBOX 360?!!

no man

08-16-2005, 09:39 PM

I'm asking because I don't own vice city, but I'm a fan of it, and my friend has it, I could borrow it from him.. I don't have an xbox.. get it?

Jedi2016

08-17-2005, 01:05 AM

Wait a minute... all this talk about how great the Xbox is and you don't even own one?

To answer your question, the 360 will be partially compatible with Xbox games. Only a few at first, and apparently more will be added to the "list" later, probably through some sort of download or install. No telling where GTA will be on that list, you may be waiting a while.

That's one thing both Sony and Nintendo have covered.. both of their systems are 100% backwards compatible right out of the box, all the way back.

Tsunamii

08-17-2005, 08:35 AM

Jedi, Though I have read the same about backwards compat, id say I am not beleiving anything until they are out in the stores. There was an read this week from J Allard saying there will be more then one flavor X360, so who knows. Sony has already said they are waiting to see how X360 perfroms to finialze its stradgey on entering the market so im sure everything is fluid at this point.
I hope to have both machines but if PS3 is over $500 I doubt I will spend the extra untill it comes down. The Amsterdam show will wrap up most of the speculation on Xbox id say.

no man

08-17-2005, 10:52 AM

I agree with Tsunamii, nothings for sure yet. When the console are one week from release, that'll be concrete information, plus once I get my box I'm getting xbox live so I won't mind downloading extra stuff

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 11:03 AM

I just wanna play Halo 3 in 1080i and 5.1 sound, that is gonna be sooo cool

no man

08-17-2005, 11:12 AM

hell ya!.. but I'll probably just have it in 5.1 surround...no hd tv for me

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 11:16 AM

hell ya!.. but I'll probably just have it in 5.1 surround...no hd tv for me

If you have a decent stereo system, I'd go with HD first and then get surround later, its amazing how much more you can see when playing games that have a lot of dark areas

WndrBr3d

08-17-2005, 12:17 PM

Re: Backwards Compatibility

Microsoft has come out and said that only "top-selling" XBox titles will be backwards compatible with the Xbox360 at time of release. The main reason for this is the complete overhaul of the XBox hardware.

Emulating an x86 CPU (733mhz Celeron in original XBox) on a faster platform is no big challenge. What is going to be the issue is how different games called the GPU differently. The XBox platform had a graphics API similar to that of DirectX, but in order to squeeze more power and FPS out of the aging hardware, over time game developers had to write their own API and device wrappers to interface with the nVidia GPU directly.

Because of this, Microsoft cannot simply deploy one global "CPU and GPU" emulator to emulate every XBox game. What they're doing is releasing "profiles" that you can download. These "profiles" will be specially crafted Emulators that address the specific issues within each game.

This is nothing new for the EMU community, who has been catering to custom code for ages (NES mappers come to mind).

Sony hasn't revealed how they're going to handle backwards compatibility for the PS3, but you might expect something along the lines of how they handled PS1 compatibility within the PS2..... they just slapped PS1 hardware in there, and when you play a PS1 title, it'd use the PS1 CPU/GPU.

no man

08-17-2005, 03:11 PM

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 03:15 PM

thanks for the info WnDrBr3d, vice city was a top selling game, so I should be able to play it before I get live.

I would get a HDTV before the new sound system, but... HDTV's have a larger price tag, so I'd have to save up some more, and I think I just bought vice city by accident over future shop..

HDTV doesnt have to have a higher price tag, just saw a 30" Philips widescreen crt on www.ubid.com today for $200 bucks, thought about picking it up to use for something, dont know what, but I could figure something out. You just have to look for a good price.

no man

08-17-2005, 03:30 PM

thats american dollars though, here in canada, thats like.. 300?..wait its $242.44, I'm having trouble finding it... link please..?

no man

08-17-2005, 03:31 PM

FOUND IT! yeap, its there, 199 30 inch flatscreen HDTV, cheap little bugger

no man

08-17-2005, 03:32 PM

wait...why's it so cheap?? why hasnt anyone bidded for it??

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 03:46 PM

not alot of ppl know about www.ubid.com, I didnt until like a month ago, most ppl think they get the best pic. with a flat panel, not true at all, some ppl dont have the space for a crt. Plus the shipping is outragesous, but its a big tv

no man

08-17-2005, 04:28 PM

man i wanna get my hands on san andreas, and vice city. A double pack of those two whould be awesome!..in november

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 04:30 PM

man i wanna get my hands on san andreas, and vice city. A double pack of those two whould be awesome!..in november

for the 360 or original?

no man

08-17-2005, 05:18 PM

yea, for the 360.. it should be bc with them, they're both large hits, fairly new too

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 05:21 PM

I can't wait to play san andreas on the xbox, almost had it beat on the ps2 then my memory card stopped working, i was soooo pissed, lost my almost finished gran turismo 4 too...damn you ps2, you should have a hard drive....

no man

08-17-2005, 05:22 PM

I don't know why, but I think the xbox 360 is going to be released on November 2nd.. they havn't released a date or anything, but.. that day just sticks out.. its a new moon too

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 05:24 PM

I don't know why, but I think the xbox 360 is going to be released on November 2nd.. they havn't released a date or anything, but.. that day just sticks out.. its a new moon too

its a new moon too, thats kind of an off the subject comment, but who knows, i wouldn't doubt its released on that friday after thanksgiving, biggest shopping day of the year..hundreds of thousands of units sold world wide in one day sinces its being released everywhere at the same time

Jedi2016

08-17-2005, 05:50 PM

no man

08-17-2005, 05:58 PM

Current speculation says that the hard drive is required for backwards compatibility, in order to store the emulation software. Which means you'll be forced to pay for the $400 version of the system, one way or the other.

thats just a speculation, that the hard drive is seperate. It has to come with one, well it doesn't have to but it most likely will, when MICROSOFT says that and posts it up on their official site, I'll believe it. Now, bogus.

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 05:59 PM

i'll buy the 400 just to get all the extras anyways so it wont matter too much, I have a feeling a lot of ppl wll do the same, they just have the $300 dollar one for ppl that dont want to shell out that much right away, but theyll end up paying 500 by the time they get everything they need to really enjoy it

no man

08-17-2005, 07:37 PM

I heard that with the purchase of the xbox 360 within the first 2 months of its release you get a free subscription to xbox live?? I'm not sure on this... anyone feel like clarifying?

no man

08-17-2005, 07:37 PM

I'm not sure how long the subsctription -if it even exists- is..

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 07:53 PM

from the pricing release everyone has xbox live that has an xbox, but you have to upgrade that to play games online

Jedi2016

08-17-2005, 08:23 PM

thats just a speculation, that the hard drive is seperate. It has to come with one, well it doesn't have to but it most likely will, when MICROSOFT says that and posts it up on their official site, I'll believe it. Now, bogus.

You need to read the news, then. The official announcement was made this morning. The standard Xbox360, retailing for $299, does not include the hard drive. The "Premium" version, at $399, does.

I still don't understand this obsession with a hard drive. Just because Xbox had one (which wasn't really used for much), everybody simply assumes that it's a "requirement", and that any system that doesn't include one from that point on is "teh suck". Obviously it's not near as important as everyone thinks it is, or else MS wouldn't have dropped it. Now it's nothing more than a hundred-dollar add-on, that will be used even less than the Xbox's drive was, because not everyone will have it.

As for the subscription, it's just the "Silver" membership, which is free anyway. The "Gold" membership, which is required to actually play games online, will cost you, just like it's always cost you.

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 08:37 PM

You need to read the news, then. The official announcement was made this morning. The standard Xbox360, retailing for $299, does not include the hard drive. The "Premium" version, at $399, does.

I still don't understand this obsession with a hard drive. Just because Xbox had one (which wasn't really used for much), everybody simply assumes that it's a "requirement", and that any system that doesn't include one from that point on is "teh suck". Obviously it's not near as important as everyone thinks it is, or else MS wouldn't have dropped it. Now it's nothing more than a hundred-dollar add-on, that will be used even less than the Xbox's drive was, because not everyone will have it.

As for the subscription, it's just the "Silver" membership, which is free anyway. The "Gold" membership, which is required to actually play games online, will cost you, just like it's always cost you.

I have to disagree on the hard drive wasn't really used for much. First off, you could have thousands of game saves on that hard drive, how many of those annoying ps2 memory cards would that have taken. Second, I ripped all kinds of cd's to my xbox so I could have custom sound tracks in my games that offered it, that was a really cool option. Third, it allowed you to download content from xbox live like new levels, demo games, all kinds of stuff. Ppl do you use it, some just dont really take full advantage of it

WndrBr3d

08-17-2005, 09:22 PM

The XBox360 will still have 512MB or 256MB On-Board Flash Memory (CF type built in).

So the hard drive isnt a MUST to save games, nor are additional memory cards. The Hard drive would be used more for saving downloaded Emulator Profiles and other content.

Spiffyfast

08-17-2005, 09:56 PM

Jedi2016

08-17-2005, 11:42 PM

The XBox360 will still have 512MB or 256MB On-Board Flash Memory (CF type built in).

Odd.. that's the first I've heard of this. You think they would make more noise about it, since there are a great many Xbox fans pretty pissed off right now that if they buy the Core system, they'll be forced to buy a memory card. If what you say is true, then why are they making memory cards at all? Especially since the memory cards they are selling are only 64MB.

I think you're confusing the system's RAM with flash memory. They're two completely different things.

Spiffyfast

08-18-2005, 09:43 AM

Odd.. that's the first I've heard of this. You think they would make more noise about it, since there are a great many Xbox fans pretty pissed off right now that if they buy the Core system, they'll be forced to buy a memory card. If what you say is true, then why are they making memory cards at all? Especially since the memory cards they are selling are only 64MB.

I think you're confusing the system's RAM with flash memory. They're two completely different things.

The memory cards would allow you to take it over to another xbox and load your saved games there, as would the external hard drive. An internal flash drive you would be forced to only play your xbox with all of your saves.

WndrBr3d

08-18-2005, 12:39 PM

I think you're confusing the system's RAM with flash memory. They're two completely different things.No, I wasn't confused in my statement.

This information has been around for months now. I think people just forgot? :confused:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=8948

no man

08-18-2005, 12:47 PM

hmm ok, I never knew that.. I don't really trust 3rd party sites or information.. I trust the company thats producing it -in this case microsoft-.. how reliable is that site anyway.. 3rd party sites have a tendancy to.. stretch the truth and make up stories to gain popularity.. If the hard drive is seperate, I'll probably be getting the hard drive later.. 256mbs is good enough for the first month I own it, then I'll get it.. unless it costs more to get it sepereate than getting the console with it.. hmm

WndrBr3d

08-18-2005, 01:09 PM

Well, this isn't exactly 3rd Party information. Back in April it was pretty much smeared across any "Gaming" news site.

There are LOTS of other sites that verify this:

http://news.com.com/2100-1043-5170899.html (for example)

Or look for yourself:

Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-27%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=%22M-Systems%22+%22Microsoft%22+%22Xbox%22)

Spiffyfast

08-18-2005, 01:09 PM

From the pricing that came out yesterday that hard drive will be $100, so ya get the base system at $299, add the hard drive and you have the same price as the $400 package that comes with a lot more stuff.

Tsunamii

08-18-2005, 01:30 PM

Spiffyfast

08-18-2005, 01:37 PM

Spiffyfast, I am reading that there will be a keyboard and mouse for X360...

For the most accurate info id still stay with the offical sights..

http://www.xbox.com/en-us/xbox360/console.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360console.htm

The memory cards are only 64...

Thats awesome, probably means a web browser will either be included or downloadable...shame itll prolly be internet explorer, but maybe I can hack firefox onto it or something.

Tsunamii

08-18-2005, 01:39 PM

Im sure there will be tons of hacks. I glad that it will not be meida center exclusive and that XP also will be able to talk, out of the box. I am waiting for a Microsoft rep now to talk about the porting of service (xbox live) for old customers to the gold level on 360. See if I can find any answers.
Hey Im testing a processor anyway its a wait and see so I may as well do this while I wait :)

Spiffyfast

08-18-2005, 01:40 PM

Tsunamii

08-18-2005, 01:53 PM

At work, just a Dell GX260 or D610 depedning on what I am doing. Though most of my work is through terminal services, remote into servers etc, so it changes. Though I think I have a faster connection at home sometimes with the amount of firewall rules here.

Tsunamii

08-18-2005, 01:54 PM

Oh Ya My Microsoft Rep said there is no offical word. Blah blah blah. You would think with billing cycles happening all the time they would release some info on what is going to happen, with the gold and silver levels for those who already pay.

Tsunamii

08-18-2005, 02:02 PM

Update:
I found this leaked from them

2 Types Of Xbox Live:

Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required)
Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)
Features For Gold Service:
* = Also For Silver
# = Also for Offline
Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
Free Xbox Live weekends *
Multiplayer online gameplay
Avatar for gamer profile * #
Motto for gamer profile * #
Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
Offline achievements * #
Online achievements *
Access to other players' Gamer cards via Live *
Cumulative gamer score * #
Location/language profile * #
Reputation *
Enhanced matchmaking using above
Skill level matchmaking
Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
Recent players list *
Free and premium download game content *
Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
Downloadable demos/trailers *
Micro transactions *
Custom playlist in every game * #
Play music from portable devices * #
View images from digital camera * #
Stream media from Windows XP * #
Interactive screen savers * #
Track info for CDs * #
Communication with voice, video or text *

no man

08-18-2005, 03:39 PM

from what you've said so far, silver is pretty much the same, if you just play on weekends that is. there are only a few differences: enhanced matchmaking, skill level matchmaking, gameplay style profile, but those aren't all that important. You can still play online (weekends) and chat online...

Tsunamii

08-18-2005, 04:01 PM

If it is the same cost as before Ill keep paying...

no man

08-18-2005, 04:24 PM

it should cost the same, considering its the same network, just two different consoles

no man

08-19-2005, 02:15 PM

Anyone know how much extra face plates are gonna cost and how many there are?

Tsunamii

08-19-2005, 02:57 PM

• Faceplate ($19.99, 19.99 Euros, 14.99 GBP)
• Hard Drive (20 GB) ($99.99, 99.99 Euros, 69.99 GBP)
• Memory Unit (64 MB) ($39.99, 34.99 Euros, 22.99 GBP)
• Wireless Networking Adapter ($99.99, 79.99 Euros, 59.99 GBP)
• Wireless Controller ($49.99, 44.99 Euros, 32.99 GBP)
• Play and Charge Kit ($19.99, 19.99 Euros, 14.99 GBP)
• Rechargeable Battery Pack ($11.99, 14.99 Euros, 9.99 GBP)
• Controller ($39.99, 34.99 Euros, 24.99 GBP)
• Headset ($19.99, 19.99 Euros, 14.99 GBP)
• Universal Media Remote ($29.99, 29.99 Euros, 19.99 GBP)
• Component HD AV Cable ($39.99, 29.99 Euros, 19.99 GBP)
• S-Video AV Cable (US) ($29.99)
• SCART AV Cable (Europe) (24.99 Euros, 17.99 GBP)
• VGA HD AV Cable ($39.99, 29.99 Euros, 19.99 GBP

Rock&Roll Ninja

08-21-2005, 11:15 AM

Damn, remember when consoles were for people who wanted a simpler option than a personal computer?

I don't think I'll be buying a X-Box360, way too much thinking.......

hunnybunny2383

08-23-2005, 04:17 PM

I Voted For The 360 Because I Already Have One Reserved And Payed In Full. I Like All The Capabilities In Both Systems However I Think That Xbox Should Have Included A Hd-dvd Rom Since Ps3 Has A Bd-rom Just To Further Crush The Competition

no man

08-28-2005, 02:31 PM

i was at eb games yesterday and I asked how much the x60'll be and he said CD$575?!.. yea I heard US$299.99, which is about CD$360... eb games has a tendancy to rip people off... like when you sell games to them, or systems, they give you nothing..

Tsunamii

08-29-2005, 08:00 AM

I pre ordered at EB in store. After the pricing was released for the online models I enquired if the same package schemes are being used there. I was told (as far as she knew) that the pre-orders were for just the higher priced system but I could change it to the lower. The Higher priced is $399 but if you wanted the chepaer system they would change the order. So its the same price as released by Micro$oft, so maybe its just your store??? Are you in Canada?

no man

08-29-2005, 01:27 PM

yeap, canada. I know the cheaper version is 299 USD, the more expesive one is 399 USD, but I plan to get the cheaper version, which is 299 USD (359.21 CAD), I just dont get why it would be 575? The $399.99 USD version of the box is 478.99 CAD. Unless it comes with a game and extra gizmo's its not worth it. I'll ask around other stores, or just go south and get it in America, I live in winnipeg so its no prob

no man

08-29-2005, 06:22 PM

i was just on walmart.com looking up x60 games, and they'll have 49 games for november

no man

08-30-2005, 12:36 AM

i was lurking around xbox.com.. there's been quite a bit of confusion regarding the wireless network adapter:

"Xbox 360 Wireless Networking Adapter. With this, gamers can chat with friends and play games via Xbox Live, as well as stream videos and music to Xbox 360 from a Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005-based PC, all without the clutter of wires (estimated retail price $129.99 CDN/ $99.99 USD). "

For the official pricing go to:
CND:
http://www.xbox.com/en-ca/leipzig2005/default.htm?level1=encahome&level2=hero&level3=leipzig (canada only article, look at it even if you're in the US)
http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/xbox360/xbox360console.htm

USA:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360console.htm

IMHO, get the 399USD/499CAD version. A 100 dollar difference, but $250 extras that the core doesnt have.. 150 dollars free stuff

Stuff the bundle has that the core doesnt:
-Wireless controller (core has wired)
-ethernet cable
-headset
-20 hard drive
-Component HD AV Cable
-Media Remote
-Xbox live silver on the hard drive (don't know how you're going to get it without the hard drive, on the system specs -or anywhere on the xbox site- it say nothing about any flash memory.. have fun with the idea but..if you're right, you're right - if you're wrong, you're skrewed :D )

hmm.. the bundle (thats costs 399usd, 499cad) is cheaper to get in america. Reason being $399.00 CAD = $479.90 USD, but you have to incorparate gas, which has skyrocketed pas $1 per L, 2.19 per gallon US?.. still cheaper for you guys.. :mad:

no man

08-30-2005, 11:48 AM

adding on to my last post about the xbox 360:

I just found this out, the hard drive that comes with the premium bundle has Pre-loaded high-definition bonus content, which is great if you have an hdtv.

no man

08-30-2005, 11:50 AM

hmm the memory cards seem a bit pricey.. do you think I could just save game files onto my mp3 player and use it as a memory card? or are they specially designed for the xbox 360? (they shouldn't be considering you can transfer files to and from your computer so it should be compatable)

Tsunamii

08-30-2005, 03:35 PM

$40 for a memory unit is a little high but what can ya do. No one said this thing is going to be cheap ;)

no man

08-30-2005, 05:43 PM

anyone: Do you think that an mp3 player can be used as a memory card for the xbox 360?

Jedi2016

08-30-2005, 05:58 PM

anyone: Do you think that an mp3 player can be used as a memory card for the xbox 360?

No, it can't. Either the hard drive or the official memory card, that's it.

no man

08-30-2005, 06:29 PM

Jedi2016

08-30-2005, 06:46 PM

is this a "I'm 100% sure and I found this info on a site."
or "I think."

Im just wondering because you can hook up an mp3 player and send it songs that you ripped off a cd, so why not save a game save file on it.

Because the games aren't programmed to recognize an external USB device as a save unit, that's why. And yes, it's a "100% sure and I found this info on a site" thing. If you actually went to a videogame website like Gamespot or IGN, and read up on the many hundreds of articles about your favorite console, you'd already know all of this, and you wouldn't have to keep asking these questions.

And it would also save you the trouble of posting information that the rest of us read weeks ago.

no man

08-30-2005, 06:54 PM

For all those in canada, you can preorder your xbox 360's at future shop.ca

50 units on August 31 (tomorrow), and 10 units per day untill September 8th. Price: Not stated

Personally, I'm just going to wait until it hits the shelves

no man

08-30-2005, 06:56 PM

Because the games aren't programmed to recognize an external USB device as a save unit, that's why. And yes, it's a "100% sure and I found this info on a site" thing. If you actually went to a videogame website like Gamespot or IGN, and read up on the many hundreds of articles about your favorite console, you'd already know all of this, and you wouldn't have to keep asking these questions.

And it would also save you the trouble of posting information that the rest of us read weeks ago.

heres an idea for you: Those stores are America bound-they're not in Canada- and some people don't know. Not everyone know all this.

Jedi2016

08-30-2005, 07:11 PM

heres an idea for you: Those stores are America bound-they're not in Canada- and some people don't know. Not everyone know all this.

What stores? I never mentioned any stores. Those are news sites.. and the news they publish isn't region-specific. The Americans are not getting a different Xbox360 than the Canadians, you know. The specs for the system are locked.

I was simply pointing out the news sites in the off chance that you might actually want to read them for yourself rather than depending on other people to read them for you and to simply regurgitate old news at your convenience.

Were there any other questions you wanted answers to?

no man

08-30-2005, 08:22 PM

What stores? I never mentioned any stores. Those are news sites.. and the news they publish isn't region-specific. The Americans are not getting a different Xbox360 than the Canadians, you know. The specs for the system are locked.

I was simply pointing out the news sites in the off chance that you might actually want to read them for yourself rather than depending on other people to read them for you and to simply regurgitate old news at your convenience.

Were there any other questions you wanted answers to?

sorry, I just skimmed through your last post, I thought those were stores, and because I don't see them here, I assumed that they were america bound.

I didnt really hear of them because I don't really like 3rd party sites. I like official sites as opposed to site that may have false or incorect info.

Jedi2016

08-30-2005, 09:14 PM

Well, it seems I'm getting a lot more info from the third-party sites than you are from the official ones. It's been my experience that official sites dole out news in very small quantities, and usually at least a week later than everyone else. Not to mention the message boards, where you get the news pretty much as it happens. This place isn't a video game forum, you're simply not going to get the same information here.

no man

08-30-2005, 11:00 PM

well some sites dish out lots of rumors that turn out to be fake, I do go to some third party sites, but the majority of my info is from the official sites. I cant wait till tomorrow, when future shop releases their prices for preordering a xbox 360 :D

no man

08-30-2005, 11:19 PM

just outa curiosity, which has better picture quality:
-> s-video hook-up
-> component hook-up

Jedi2016

08-31-2005, 02:15 AM

Typically component, but it requires a digital (i.e. HD) television. If you're playing it on an HDTV, you'll want the component cables anyway, since S-video can't carry a high-definition signal. On a normal standard-definition TV, the difference between the two will be negligible.

no man

08-31-2005, 12:13 PM

i was on futureshop today (10:40am) and they were already sold outa xbox 360's. Well it does make sence, 50 xbox 360's on a first come first serve basis nation wide. Now I dont get a couple things..

this is the stuff that's in the futureshop bundle:

"- XBOX 360 Hard Drive (20 GB): 20GB and detachable, the hard drive allows gamers to store their games, music, downloaded trailers, levels, demos and community-created content from XBOX Live Marketplace and more.

- XBOX 360 Memory Unit (64 MB): Easily portable, this lets gamers save games, in-game achievements and unique gamer profiles for quick and easy access on the go.

- XBOX 360 Wireless Controller: The same hassle-free high-performance precision wireless gaming that comes with the premium edition features the XBOX Guide Button for quick access to digital movies, music and games libraries as well as a range and battery life of up to 30' and 30 hours of life on two “AA” batteries.

- XBOX 360 Play & Charge Kit: This allows plug and play for high-performance, precision wireless gaming with the XBOX 360 Wireless Controller. Gamers will be given ample warning when the end of battery life is nearing so they can connect the Play & Charge cable for uninterrupted play.

- XBOX 360 Rechargeable Battery Pack: This provides up to 25 hours of gameplay for wireless gaming fun.

- XBOX 360 Wireless Networking Adapter: With this, gamers can chat with friends and play games via XBOX Live, as well as stream videos and music to XBOX 360 from a Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005-based PC, all without the clutter of wires.

- XBOX 360 Headset: This heightens the XBOX Live experience by letting gamers strategize with team-mates or trash-talk opponents while playing games.

- XBOX 360 Universal Media Remote: This integrated control center for the entire digital experience lets consumers play DVDs, movies and music, as well as control a TV and their Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005-based PC controls with a single controller.

- XBOX 360 VGA HD AV Cable: Gamers can experience high-definition gaming on flat-panel TV or VGA monitors. This cable provides optimal audio and video signal transfer..*Please Note: Releasing November 2005."

Things I don't get:

1) XBOX 360 Wireless Networking Adapter?! Didn't say that this would come with the bundle on xbox.com..

2) XBOX 360 VGA HD AV Cable.. the xbox site says its supposed to be a component hd av cable, even the pic of future shop.ca shows a component hd av cable... no vga cable. (see the bundle here http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10066139&catid=23363)
(see the different cables here http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/xbox360/xbox360accessories.htm)

3) XBOX 360 Rechargeable Battery Pack and the XBOX 360 Play & Charge Kit according to xbox.com, are extra. http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/xbox360/xbox360console.htm shows whats in each bundle. (US http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/xbox360console.htm)

4) XBOX 360 Memory Unit, also stated as seperate from the bundle on xbox.com

Now all this is great, well exept the cable.. if it comes with composite and vga cable I'll hate 'em- if it comes with vga and component hd av cable (as stated on xbox.com) I'll be pleased. All those extras are awesome and all for the same price $499CAD/$399USD. But maybe thats a futureshop only bundle, that includes those extras, and other stores don't have all those extras... might be an online pre-order special that includes those extras-when it hits the shelves it may be different, maybe less accecories that the online pre-order bundles?

Jedi2016

08-31-2005, 03:07 PM

If you look around, you'll find that nearly all online retailers are selling ONLY bundles that include extra stuff. The system itself does include the HD component/composite cables you mention. Anything other than that is an extra.

It seems like they're packing in a lot of useless stuff, charging extra for things you don't need. Like the memory card. If you have a hard drive, you don't need the memory card. Just like most people don't need the VGA cable, either, but they're still charging you for it.

My advice: Don't buy online. Just go down to the store in person. That's the only way you'll be able to buy just the system and whatever accessories you want, rather than what they force you to buy. Online has never been a good option for buying consoles, especially at launch.

no man

08-31-2005, 08:37 PM

yea i know, eb games has really high priced bundles with useless crap in them, but the 2 bundles that microsoft is releasing, the core and premium, are good. The premium one has pretty much everything you need, nothing you don't need. Component hd av cable, 1 wireless controller, remole-well it's sorta usless unless you're using the box and a dvd player~like I will, hard drive, a headset-needed for online play~well not needed, but needed for real time communication, and the system. I see nothing useless in this bundle.

Regarding the memory card.. it can be useful if you wanna go to a friends place to play xbox 360, but you don't want to waist time creating a new profile in the game, without actually bringing over your hard drive.

Random question: can you stream files to a coputer or another xbox 306 via ethernet.. over xbox live?

Tsunamii

09-01-2005, 09:04 AM

"My advice: Don't buy online. Just go down to the store in person. That's the only way you'll be able to buy just the system and whatever accessories you want, rather than what they force you to buy. Online has never been a good option for buying consoles, especially at launch."
You are right on the money. The in store sales are the way to go. You get what you want, not what they want you to have.

no man

09-04-2005, 10:55 PM

is nintendo's target audience still little kids? looks like it is, the sytem is cheap and is **** compared to the opposition, but it is small and portable, easy to handle and to set up. What's it cost? $250 CAD opening price?

Jedi2016

09-05-2005, 02:33 AM

Buckle-meister

09-05-2005, 07:45 AM

...a Gamecube can hold it's own next to both PS2 and Xbox just fine. And comes out on top in some cases. Even on paper, it's more powerful than PS2, and if you've actually played any games on it, you'd know this.

I agree. Nintendo's own games especially usually have a very high 'playability' factor. They are exceedingly well thought out, and usually more than a little addictive. Think of Zelda and more especially Mario. These games are giants within the gaming world. Other games come and go, but Nintendo's own games remain the most recognisable of all.

I don't think the Gamecube (which I own) has quite the level of graphics that the Xbox has, but then, I'd much rather have a game with poorer graphics and fabulous playability than the other way around.

Regards

no man

09-05-2005, 02:46 PM

Little kids? Yeah, Resident Evil.. there's a "kiddy" title if I ever saw one.

Cheap, yes.

Crap? Obviously you've never played one.. a Gamecube can hold it's own next to both PS2 and Xbox just fine. And comes out on top in some cases. Even on paper, it's more powerful than PS2, and if you've actually played any games on it, you'd know this.

If you're referring to the Revolution, then just stop right there, because you don't know anything about it. No one does. And there's no price announced for it, either.

errr i own a gamecube and although nintendo does have a few m rated titles, the majority are younger children.. zelda windwaker...

gamecube does has decent graphics, but in egm they released the revolutions price, 250 us i beleive, might be 250 cad..

no man

09-05-2005, 02:48 PM

and when i said crap i was talking about the revolution, due to its size, you can't fit that may components in it..

Jedi2016

09-05-2005, 05:14 PM

and when i said crap i was talking about the revolution, due to its size, you can't fit that may components in it..

Um.. WHAT-EVER.... If they can fit a PS2 into a little thing you can slip into your pocket, they can sure as hell put a console into a little box like the Revolution, or whatever they're going to call it.

Their "target audience" doesn't mean a damn thing in the long run. Ironically, the only ones who don't seem to like the "kiddy" games are the kids. If their games were really "beneath" me, then why would I buy Nintendo after Nintendo, generation after generation? And I'm almost thirty.

And no, EGM did not "reveal" the price, for the simple reason that Nintendo has not yet announced it (if they did, tell me the issue and the page number). Chances are it will launch at $199US, probably less.

Rob Babcock

09-05-2005, 07:47 PM

No one has put a PS2 into a pocket model- the PSP is essentially a downsized PSOne, not a PS2.

Jedi2016

09-05-2005, 07:59 PM

Rock&Roll Ninja

09-09-2005, 06:23 PM

Wasn't the Xbox360 suppost to support HD*DVD when it came out? was that feature dropped and no one told me? If so I think I'll wait for the PS3 and Nintendo to launch so i can tell who has better games.

krzywica

09-09-2005, 08:21 PM

LOL.. Whatever. Have you seen the PSP? Even the best PS1 games are utterly asstastic compared to what PSP can do. The DS, yeah.. that's about on-par with the PS1/N64. PSP is far beyond it, though.

The point is, to say that the Revolution will be "crap" just because it's small is incredibly, undeniably, stupid.
It will be crap because it is'nt even keeping pace with the current technology demands, much less setting new standards. No HD support, yeah ok, Nintendo just signed their own death warrant.
Microsoft, all games 720p or higher. Pretty big step.

Sony BRDVD and core processor, can put out full 1080p resolution. Wow.

Yea Nintendo, not even trying anymore.

Rock&Roll Ninja

09-09-2005, 09:01 PM

krzywica

09-09-2005, 09:07 PM

According to Playstation land rumor the PS3 will do SACD via digitasl out. Nice additional touch.

SACD + BRDVD + Controller I already know where the buttons are, + works with PS & PS2 games.... Sold!

Xbox360 & Nintendo ...... Don't even care anymore. :cool:
Yea I'm really sold on the ps3 too, but I just can't do without my Halo!

I will end up getting the 360 (already pre-ordered) and the ps3 because I have been playing video games since odyssey 3000 and cant help but pour fire on my addiction.

Rock&Roll Ninja

09-10-2005, 01:30 PM

Well, I didn't really like HALO, and as far as anyone can tell me it was the only XBox-specific game worth buying an Xbox for. Nintendo certainly had alot of GameCube games I liked (as did every Nintendo system before it save the 64), but at the time I never had enough dispossable cash to own mor ethan 1 system, and Playstation2 played all my PS1 games.

This time around I'll be able to afford more than one console (and an HDTV to play them on). The primary reason is that now I can rent games for any system, when I couldn't 3 or 4 years ago (Netflix, didn't do games, GameFly hadn't been invented, and Blockbuster didn't mail-order). Now that I don't need to pay $50 - $60 per game, and can pay 1 monthly fee for all three systems, I can afford more hardware.

Now, If the games for the nextgen are anything like the current systems, I'll want a PS3 primarily, then I'll want a Nintendo for its games (and Nintendo makes some darned fine games), and unless XBox gets more titles that intrest me I won't even buy one. I would have bought one when it was supposed to play HD-DVDs, but it doesn't do that now. And Samsung said they have a universal player ready to sell anyway.

So likelyhood of games I want to play

PS3: Almost certain (Killzone 3 especially)
Nintendo: Very good. has a long history of good games, but had a few flubs
Xbox360: No games I really like yet..... maybe later

PS: So yeah, I knida changed my mind since yesterday. So sue me :P

majorloser

09-11-2005, 04:53 PM

I will probably go for the Xbox 360. My only concern will be backwards compatability with Xbox games. There is still some question on that issue out there.

The Xbox 360 will offer a lower level of a new "Xbox Live" service that is free and comes with the console. The lower level will not allow on-line gaming but will allow the other stuff. You can upgrade from the free Silver level to the Gold level which gives you all of the services for about $50.

No matter how I look at it, it will cost big bucks to set a new system up.

HDTV hookup adapter
additional controller
larger harddrive
wireless ethernet adapter

Well, I guess that's my Christmas list! :D

funnyhero85

09-27-2005, 05:25 PM

I think Nintendo will make a greate come back!!!!!! :D
i think they suprise us when they show us what the revo can do.

the controller is greate , some people say it sucks , maybe the said that becouse they dont know the potential of it,the console is the best looking of all three , and he's hardware is only 10% or 20% with less power of the ps3 and xbox360 but this doesnt matter , we finally can play games in a different way that is what i like.
Online gaming is free , they said too that u can download for free the old games,so what u want more????

:D i think when it finally comes out all people who said that the revo sucks , they change mind , maybe they dont buy it , but they say , the revo is greate!!!!! :D

people will have more fun on the revo!!!!!!the fututre said that a lot of games coming out for it!!!!!!!!

Tsunamii

09-28-2005, 02:15 PM

jack_frost_2005

10-04-2005, 05:26 PM

I've always been a nintendo fan, and being able to play all past nintendo consoles really interests me. I am super exited for smash bros revolution. And if nothing else fallow this link. http://www.nintendo.com/pop_video.vm?url=/mediaFiles/1gU-iPnJmxfd1N2RUaeDUUbGZBz--ozJ.mov&width=400&height=420

rgriffin25

10-06-2005, 08:50 PM

Will the xbox 360 be backward compatible?

geo75

10-07-2005, 06:22 AM

Will the xbox 360 be backward compatible?

From all accounts I have heard it will be backwards compatible with some games not sure which.

I voted XBOX 360 but will more than likely buy them all. But of course I will still probably play my atari 2600 more than any of them.

no man

10-09-2005, 02:59 AM

the x05 will be compatable with all xbox games, but for some you may have to download a file off xbox live. all of the most popular xbox games are backward compatable.

KirbzStar

11-11-2005, 10:27 AM

I'll defiantly be looking forward to the revolution. :D

The PS2-XBox-GameCube generation has been to most disappointing to date. They didn't offer anything new gameplay wise (although I'm not saying they were total flops, as some of my favourite games were Soul Calibur 2, Smash Bros Melle, and Burnout 2/Revenge). I mean I remember buying 27 games for my N64 (and I didn't even have a job at that time), because the system gave nearly every game something new that hadn’t been done. Now I earn heaps of money with no bills to pay, and I've only bought 8 games for gamecube, and 3 for x-box (7 which I enjoyed) because there is nothing out there.

I actually almost favour the fact that the Revolution has lower specs than the 360 and PS3 - It will encourage developers to focus on gameplay rather then wasting time on eye candy and overly large scaled levels (like San-andreas, I mean it's boring as hell just diving from one side of the map and back again).

The new revolution controller will allow developers to come up with new ideas. If you get off on great graphics and lame gameplay (cough...Doom3), that's fine. But I honestly don't think anybody who dislikes the Revolution have actually thought of the controller's possibilities. I mean:

- Fighting games/Platformer RPGs - more then just button mashing. The controller becomes your character's weapon.
- Sports games - your controller becomes the baseball bat, tennis racquet, basketball, javelin, ect.
- Ol skool platformers - can be played with one hand. Great when you're tired and all you want to do is relax.
- First-Person shooters/Light gun games - merged into one (although I don't know why they didn't this earlier). It's surly more fun then a mouse or control stick to aim. Also remember, the revolution knows the exact angle of the controller, so shooting distant enemies will actually be an actual challenge (haha, your big screen TVs won't save you now). Could you imagin if HL-2 was released for Revolution - think of the blue gravity gun!

- And sooo much more - I'm just getting tired, and realized how stupidly biased this message is getting. But I just don't see what the other consoles are providing...yeah, the PS3 and 360 will be good...you can PAY for X-Box live...and they act as a media centre! Oooo!!! :rolleyes: *sarcasm*

Nintendo are the only ones who get it. :) High processing power no longer equals better gameplay. I'll probably end up getting a 360 or PS3 (if a good game is released for them that doesn't make it to PC), but not both because they are the damn same! :mad:

1khpsupra

11-11-2005, 10:41 AM

I agree with you 100% KirbzStar, the only games I buy are the ones that allow coop. Most of the games for xbox have been very dissapointing. I have only played a few a games that brought much enjoyment to myself when playing alone. Even boring games are enjoyable when I have my friends over. Without coop I would probally rarely play my xbox. So far most fun has been serious sam coop, to bad the made ss2 non coop they lost my $$.

Buckle-meister

11-11-2005, 02:32 PM

no man

11-22-2005, 12:08 AM

i dont like the idea of the revolution controller.. too much effort :P and imagine trying to play then knocking over stuff in the way just so u can shoot something.. i like the idea of siting in a chiar or whatever and swearing at your friends as opposed to swearing at the coffee table for being make out of such hard wood...

i do agree with 1 part of kirbz ESSAY on the godlyness of the revolution, it doesnt matter how powerful a system is, its the games that really pull someone to a system. ex. me, i'm a halo fan.. which console am i going for.. TAKE A GUESS!! i really dont care that the ps3 is (supposedly) more powerful. OOOO BLURAY DISCS :O!!! MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 54 GIGS.. no game is that huge.. and thats if you dual layer it which sony is too cheapass to do.

anyway.. the xbox 360 comes out tomorrow, im getting it on wedns day kuz im too damn busy tomorrow to pick one up and theres gonna be soo many feces flying in the air of stores to be able to get one tomorrow...

ps3 people... have fun waiting 6 months :D

revolution people... have fun waiting (they havn't really set out a date have they?)... longer than the ps3 people :D

choose the system with ur favorite games, thats all im gonna say......

for now..

cao

no man

11-22-2005, 12:14 AM

by the time the revolution comes out everyone would have already blown their money away on the xbox 360 and the ps3.. nintendo will probably do better this time around considering that the gamecube crashed and burned.. then they tried to fill in their empty words by have 5 online games.. while xbox was near full online, same with ps2 (which had a year head start..)..

Tsunamii

11-22-2005, 01:38 PM

The Time has arrived and I just couldnt bring my self to put it on Ebay. Unfortunatly im working today but luck would have it that my boss is a fan also. We are setting it up on the projector for a "QA test"....
Thanks for the early Xmas Microsof!!

runninkyle17

11-22-2005, 02:20 PM

Sheep

11-22-2005, 05:55 PM

It's amazing. Looking back through this thread shows just how many folk are writing off everything but the PS3. Oooo, PS3 will have SACD. Oooo, PS3 will do 720p. Oooo, PS3 will do Blue-Ray discs.

Um, sorry folks, you are currently in...

wait for it...

keep scrolling, it's a good one...

Last place! Hahahahah! :)

Regards

I forgot that everyone in the world votes in this forum. The concole can change all it wants, that fact is the games will remain the same. They will look better, but the XBOX games will still suck. All their driving games BLOW, Nintendo and Sony know how to make a good game. Microsoft can make a great (questionable) operating system. I'm sorry but operating systems are not that fun.

Regrets, :p

SheepStar

Tsunamii

11-22-2005, 06:15 PM

Sheep, ummm Sony isnt the one making the games. Some yes all no.
I for one will get both systems. Perfect Dark Zero is an amazing 1st person so take that for what its worth. PS3 has yet to be released so the proof is in the pudding. I just wish I had bought 2 xbox 360's and sold 1 on ebay. I think Ill do that with the PS3.

WndrBr3d

11-22-2005, 06:18 PM

I got my 360 @ Midnight last night at my local Walmart.

I'll let you guys know my thoughts when I get home from work and fire it up :)

Jedi2016

11-22-2005, 06:22 PM

I will go with the 360 because I simply do not trust Sony. Yes, the PS2 was a great system, but Sony has become to paranoid for its own good and is practicing bad business when it comes to copyright protection on its products.

It pains me to support Microsoft any more than I have to, but the 360 is a very well built system and it looks to be more user friendly than the PS3. Also, I have read somewhere that the 360 will be able to play HD-DVD's with some type of upgrade. Personally I think Blu-Ray is dead before it even gets started because of all the support for the HD format. It is a shame though because Blu-Ray does have superior technology compared to HD-DVD. Oh well, all I can say is down with Sony because I do not trust them as a company!

LOL

Okay, let's take this one step at a time...

1) Sony's "paranoia" about copy protection doesn't mean a damn thing to gamers. When you buy a PS3 game, it WILL work in your PS3, guaranteed, no matter what kind of protection they have on it. The only time this will become a problem is if you try to pirate the games.

2) The 360 will not be able to play HD-DVDs. The only "upgrade" that could possibly do that would be replacing the entire disc drive with a new one. Which would run several hundred dollars at the least. Besides, why would you want to? Which brings me to...

3) I don't know what you've been reading about Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, but your numbers are bass-ackwards. It's Blu-Ray that's quickly becoming the dominant format. Hollywood is almost entirely behind Blu-Ray now, while HD-DVD has only one studio that's still exclusive. And since several other HD-DVD-aligned studios are also supporting Blu-Ray, that one studio (I think it's Universal) will probably soon join in. Which means it'll be HD-DVD that's missing studios and movies, while Blu-Ray will have everything. That, and as you said, it's the superior technology, and people are quickly figuring that out. The "war" hasn't even begun yet, and Blu-Ray already has a commanding lead. HD-DVD's days are numbered.

As for "not trusting Sony as a company", what difference does that make, really? Their stuff works... I enjoy the hell out of my Sony DVD player, and my big-a$$ Sony surround system. As long as their products hold up, I could care less what the company does. As I mentioned above, as long as you play your DVDs on a DVD player, and your PS3 games on a PS3, there's nothing to worry about, no matter how many chastity belts are strapped onto the discs. It's only when you try skirting the edges of legality will the protection bite you in the rear, and that's what it's designed to do.

no man

11-22-2005, 07:35 PM

LOL

Okay, let's take this one step at a time...

1) Sony's "paranoia" about copy protection doesn't mean a damn thing to gamers. When you buy a PS3 game, it WILL work in your PS3, guaranteed, no matter what kind of protection they have on it. The only time this will become a problem is if you try to pirate the games.

2) The 360 will not be able to play HD-DVDs. The only "upgrade" that could possibly do that would be replacing the entire disc drive with a new one. Which would run several hundred dollars at the least. Besides, why would you want to? Which brings me to...

3) I don't know what you've been reading about Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD, but your numbers are bass-ackwards. It's Blu-Ray that's quickly becoming the dominant format. Hollywood is almost entirely behind Blu-Ray now, while HD-DVD has only one studio that's still exclusive. And since several other HD-DVD-aligned studios are also supporting Blu-Ray, that one studio (I think it's Universal) will probably soon join in. Which means it'll be HD-DVD that's missing studios and movies, while Blu-Ray will have everything. That, and as you said, it's the superior technology, and people are quickly figuring that out. The "war" hasn't even begun yet, and Blu-Ray already has a commanding lead. HD-DVD's days are numbered.

As for "not trusting Sony as a company", what difference does that make, really? Their stuff works... I enjoy the hell out of my Sony DVD player, and my big-a$$ Sony surround system. As long as their products hold up, I could care less what the company does. As I mentioned above, as long as you play your DVDs on a DVD player, and your PS3 games on a PS3, there's nothing to worry about, no matter how many chastity belts are strapped onto the discs. It's only when you try skirting the edges of legality will the protection bite you in the rear, and that's what it's designed to do.

i'm not so sure about your hollywood comment, when you go into an electronics store and look at the dvd section, what kind of discs are there?

plain dvd's..

i agree with runninkyle17's paranoid comment about sony being paranoid, it seems like they have, looks like they're loosing enough money to actually care about piracy, or just not making enough money.. I also do not trust sony's console, yes the ps2 was sucessful but i dont trust the ps3, i didnt like the ps either... however i do trust sony's other electronics like tv's and dvd players.

the xbox was extremely glitchy when it first came out but we all learn from our mistakes, well unless we're mentally unstable or incapable.. but Bill Gates may say strange stuff but he's got enough brian matter to test the xbox360 for glitches this time around, as for sony and their ps3.. im not so sure it'll be a solid system (but its damn huge).

i don't care if sony's switching to bluray discs, i personally feel its a waist of money, non of their games are going to be 54 gigs.. well not for this generation of games. I think plain ol' dvds'll do the trick, maybe hd-dvds. but if microsoft wants to change their disc drive i've got.. doesn't future shop have a 1 year warrenty or something? well ive got a solid 90 days to swap for the new one, ill probably be getting an extended warrently so if need be, hd-dvd's'll be my pal

yours truely

Jedi2016

11-22-2005, 10:14 PM

How can you not "trust" a console? What, is it going to slip into your room at night and slit your throat? It's a box, with a bunch of circuits inside. It's not really much different from any other piece of electronics.

And Blu-Ray isn't necessarily a waste of money. It doesn't matter if games don't get up to 50GB.. as long as a game is 9.1GB or larger, the BD disc will be required. And that's something Microsoft can never do, even if they do eventually release a version of the 360 with a new drive.. because of the DVD-based 360s that are out there now, ALL 360 games MUST be on a standard DVD, period.

Going back to the format war thing, you really ought to try reading around the internet sometime. HD-DVD is already dying, everybody knows it. Except you, apparently.

Sheep

11-23-2005, 02:14 AM

i'm not so sure about your hollywood comment, when you go into an electronics store and look at the dvd section, what kind of discs are there?

plain dvd's..

i agree with runninkyle17's paranoid comment about sony being paranoid, it seems like they have, looks like they're loosing enough money to actually care about piracy, or just not making enough money.. I also do not trust sony's console, yes the ps2 was sucessful but i dont trust the ps3, i didnt like the ps either... however i do trust sony's other electronics like tv's and dvd players.

the xbox was extremely glitchy when it first came out but we all learn from our mistakes, well unless we're mentally unstable or incapable.. but Bill Gates may say strange stuff but he's got enough brian matter to test the xbox360 for glitches this time around, as for sony and their ps3.. im not so sure it'll be a solid system (but its damn huge).

i don't care if sony's switching to bluray discs, i personally feel its a waist of money, non of their games are going to be 54 gigs.. well not for this generation of games. I think plain ol' dvds'll do the trick, maybe hd-dvds. but if microsoft wants to change their disc drive i've got.. doesn't future shop have a 1 year warrenty or something? well ive got a solid 90 days to swap for the new one, ill probably be getting an extended warrently so if need be, hd-dvd's'll be my pal

yours truely

You trust the Xbox after they made a crappy first round console while my PS2 still runs perfectly after 5 years? You must drive a domestic car.... :rolleyes:

As for the games. PS2 had the good games. Face it. The companys making Play Station games will be making PS3 games. They are not transferable between Xbox 360 and PS3. I'm getting the PS3. The Xbox 360 is not the greatest invention either. Its a computer that doesn't run a operating system. Atleast Sony is trying to impliment new and more advanced technology.

Now, No man, and the others boo hooing about the PS3. You made this thread asking people to choose and state why. It's not your thread to get people to choose, and then you attack them. Respect opinions.

SheepStar

RedNightMare

11-23-2005, 12:01 PM

Okay, iv played the PS,PS2,XBox,Nintendo Gamecube all of em, n ok...PS have the most games so there gona have an advantage n i believe the PS2 was the best consol, but wot is so good about the xbox.... i mean i believe its absoluly crap! its big enuff to be a door stopper n wot it only had one good game which i didnt even like (halo) whats with that??.. Why do alot of people put Nintendo Down i believe Nintendo Are doin a good job the only problem they had was they didnt have enuff games, it still dont make it a crap consol.... n also i cn understand if people think SEGA wer a let down but do people have to take the piss, i still believe that both Nintendo n Sega are Great companys which can produce great products......BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WEN U WER ABPUT 7 YRS OLD WHEN U WER PLAYIN UR OLD SKOOL GAMES LIKE STREET FIGHTER II N STREETS OF RAGE, WOT WER U PLAYIN ON......THE NINTENDO SNES N SEGA MEGA DRIVE!!!..... N THEN GAMEIN DAYS WER THE BEST OF MY LIFE N NO MATTER HOW GD THE GRAPHICS R N ANYTHING NOTHIN CAN BEAT THEM.

But u lot have all forgot about....havent you....oh well at the end of the day its ur choice....

everyone always bigs up the new consol, like wen the PS came out every1 sed that killed nintendo n sega, now microsoft r out every1s sayin thats better then PS...every1 jus follow the new consol

Sheep

11-23-2005, 12:07 PM

Okay, iv played the PS,PS2,XBox,Nintendo Gamecube all of em, n ok...PS have the most games so there gona have an advantage n i believe the PS2 was the best consol, but wot is so good about the xbox.... i mean i believe its absoluly crap! its big enuff to be a door stopper n wot it only had one good game which i didnt even like (halo) whats with that??.. Why do alot of people put Nintendo Down i believe Nintendo Are doin a good job the only problem they had was they didnt have enuff games, it still dont make it a crap consol.... n also i cn understand if people think SEGA wer a let down but do people have to take the piss, i still believe that both Nintendo n Sega are Great companys which can produce great products......BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WEN U WER ABPUT 7 YRS OLD WHEN U WER PLAYIN UR OLD SKOOL GAMES LIKE STREET FIGHTER II N STREETS OF RAGE, WOT WER U PLAYIN ON......THE NINTENDO SNES N SEGA MEGA DRIVE!!!..... N THEN GAMEIN DAYS WER THE BEST OF MY LIFE N NO MATTER HOW GD THE GRAPHICS R N ANYTHING NOTHIN CAN BEAT THEM.

But u lot have all forgot about....havent you....oh well at the end of the day its ur choice....

Wow.....How do you- WOW........no comment.

SheepStar (IQ just dropped)

WndrBr3d

11-23-2005, 01:02 PM

Being a proud owner of an XBox and a PS2, I must say that XBox has the definite advantage.

Between true 480p widescreen support, Dolby Digital 5.1 and and the ability to play a 4 player game without having to bust out an adapter... my feeling is the original XBox wins this battle hands down.

I'll give it to Sony that they have the larger game library, but XBox games have far richer content.

Sheep

11-23-2005, 03:10 PM

MAX661

11-23-2005, 03:23 PM

When it comes to the last generation of gaming platforms, It easily goes to Xbox. The system is alot more powerful. Some HD games, minimum of 480p, Widescreen and dolby.

The PS2 also has a digital output but not many games are dolby,and there where many issues with the PS2 opertaing on an HDTV! It wouldn't fill the entire screen and the graphics were sub-par. The PS2 had alot of games and fanboys that's about it

Xbox with the HD pack was the way to go, This year it is the Xbox360 and next year will be the PS3... That's just the way it is.

no man

11-23-2005, 09:09 PM

wow.. i really though microsoft would give out more xbox360`s to stores than what they did.. when the xbox came out they had piles of `em in my local futureshop, this time around 10 (minimum but around that amount) per store. now i gotta wait 2 weeks.. *sigh* o well...

abboudc

11-25-2005, 03:31 PM

Xbox had the most powerful hardware. PS2 had the most games. Nintendo is the best developer in the console world. All had their advantages.

To say one "won", "hands down" is true. But it was the PS2. Over 70% of the gaming market of the last generation was owned by Sony. The Xbox and Gamecube both had better graphics, but unfortunately for them, the games could have been a LOT better looking, had they not been coded for the PS2, then ported to the Xbox and Gamecube. There were tons of games that didn't look any better on the Xbox than PS2 simply because they were ported in a rush or had the B-team working on the port while the A-team was working on the next big game.

The xbox had some killer innovations, like HD standard, online, and high def. Unfortunately, the only games that made it a must have were Halo and Halo2.

The Gamecube had a bunch of Nintendo first party titles, but little more. Granted, those games were very good, but you had to wait months between big games.

The PS2 had big games every month. It didn't have the best graphics, etc, but it had the one thing that makes a game console a game console -- games. All of the big games minus the Microsoft first party (which outside of Halo were pretty bad) and the Nintendo first party games.

Which is why most people chose the PS2. Playing Grand Theft Auto is better than playing Microsoft NFL Fever, even if fever is in high def. I know, i know, GTA came out for XB too, 9 months later...

Sheep

11-25-2005, 04:54 PM

MAX661

11-25-2005, 08:11 PM

Just some figures from the news, they were talking about sales just before the release of the Xbox360.

PS2 - 90million

Xbox - 22million

Game Cube - 20 million

Xbox and game cube might be backwards, but PS2 clearly trounced in sales.

SheepStar

Yes but more sales doesn't mean something is better it just means it is marketed better. If sales was the case than Monster would be the best brand available. There is no denying that the Xbox was the best and most capable console from the last run.

Spiffyfast

11-25-2005, 08:23 PM

Well who cares about the old consoles, I know that when I'm playing my 360 that nothing i've had even comes close. Call of Duty 2 in surround sound is amazing.

Sheep

11-25-2005, 10:15 PM

Well who cares about the old consoles, I know that when I'm playing my 360 that nothing i've had even comes close. Call of Duty 2 in surround sound is amazing.

He's BACK!!

Welcome back spiffy, where ya been?

SheepStar

MAX661

11-25-2005, 10:27 PM

Well who cares about the old consoles, I know that when I'm playing my 360 that nothing i've had even comes close. Call of Duty 2 in surround sound is amazing.

I agree, Call of Duty is amazing but I found the game to short... It's like one of those things where your having so much fun you just dont realize the time fly by and before you know it, you've been playing for 6 hours straight! Gotta love it though, I liked it so much I am going back through it again... Highly recommended!

MasterChief

11-25-2005, 10:54 PM

Yea I just finished playing the first mission for the american campaign in Normandy. Wow Awesome. Reminded me of PSaving Private ryan. Awesome graphics and detail. :D

Christian M

11-26-2005, 02:34 AM

Right now, I'd have to say that the ps3 will take it. Right now i have ps2, xbox, and gamecube and each have their strengths.

Halo/Halo2 were the only reason i have and continue to have an xbox, IMO. xbox live and halo saved it and continue to do so. xBox 360 is cool and all with its 3x 3.2ghz PPC chips but they really f'ed up by not going next-gen media. This is where ps3 will pick up the slack and succeed I think - it'll have almost 10x the capacity to put rad content on. But we shall see. I know I'll end up with both but i aint buying a 360 until halo 3 is released. Since i'm a racing dude, nothing touches Gran Turismo. Nope, not rallisport, not forza, and not toca. And tekken rules also... Let the dilemma and spending begin :)

- Christian

MAX661

11-26-2005, 03:11 AM

See this is where we would differ, While I am dying to get the PS3 there are games on X360 I couldn't do without... DOA4 and the Tenchu series are my absolute favorite games to play which are both Xbox exclusive now that microsoft bought the rights to the Tenchu series and these alone would have made me buy the system.

Either way they are both excellent systems and people should stop argueing constantly.

To me it all falls into 3 categories of people.
1. Sony Fanboys
2. Xbox Fanboys
3. Real Gamers {This category is where I think life is best, no fighting unless it's ingame and having the best of both worlds!}

Christian M

11-26-2005, 05:58 AM

max, you said it best. This is why i'll have both systems, again... :)

The only part that sucks is that it's more money out of my pocket. HA!!

But I still stand by my previous statement - for me, there will be no 360 until there is a halo 3. Same goes for ps3 - I wont have one until GT5 and/or the next-gen tekken.

- Christian

jeez, this was a long/interesting night... Fun, but interesting. :D

abboudc

11-26-2005, 09:36 PM

for me, there will be no 360 until there is a halo 3.

Me too. Plus, there are some overheating/freezing issues with the first gen hardware. Not that Sony's track record is any better with first gen hardware...

hangemhigh

11-27-2005, 05:21 PM

For those of you playing the new xbox360 do you have HD tv are the graphics blow away amazing and if your on a standard tv are the graghics all that much better than the first xbox ?

MAX661

11-27-2005, 06:19 PM

I have an 60'' SXRD and the graphics look amazing... I wouldn't say blow you away but they are much nicer than the Xbox.

If you dont have an HDTV, then I wouldn't suggest buying a X360 because that is what it was made for and it will most likely only look slightly better than the current Xbox.

These are just my thoughts...

Buckeyefan 1

11-27-2005, 09:03 PM

Abboudc: The PS2 had big games every month. It didn't have the best graphics, etc, but it had the one thing that makes a game console a game console -- games. All of the big games minus the Microsoft first party (which outside of Halo were pretty bad) and the Nintendo first party games.

That's a good post. Games are what makes a system. Graphics only go so far. If you look back on the history of gaming, you can see the changes taking place, and who took over after so many years as a front runner.

If any of you are old enough to remember the "true" birth of video games, you'll remember a "pong" game that came with a rifle, and you shot a moving dot. The console consisted of two dials - that was it. It didn't sell well. An original version of "pong" came out in the 60's (who knew?). In 1972 Magnavox came out with a system called "Odyssey", but practically went under when Atari sued them for copying a PacMan type game called K.C. Munchkin!.

Next came Atari's $200 2600 "VCS" in 1977. Everyone knows the fame of that system. The reason for it's fame? Space Invaders, Asteroids, Pac Man, Frogger, Millipede, Pitfall - the list goes on. It was only a few years for the competition to start in.

I remember a few people (sold 3 million units) bought Mattel "Intellivision" in 1979. It was a ripoff of the 2600. The graphics were better, but none of the games were original. The keypad controller was horrible. Radio Shack had a clone system called "Tandyvision."

The big hit was in 1982 - the $175 ColecoVision. It has a large percentage of the arcade games, and was heads and tails above everything else. Great controller, too (for its day). It sold 6 million units in three years, primarily because of the "Donkey Kong" game included with the system. Defender, Gorf, Donkey Kong Jr., Carnival, Zaxxon, Centipede, Q-Bert, Frogger, Burgertime, and Galaxian were big hits as well.

Some may even remember a stand alone gaming system called "Vectrex" which also came out in 1982. It had a few games, most notably Minestorm (asteroids), Berzerk, and Pole Position. This was an awesome system, but never really took off. I actually bought one for $99, and it still works.

Also in 1982 the Atari 5200 came out. Great graphics, terrible controllers. Never took off. In 1984 Atari 7800 came out, and was a flop.

In 1985, NES came out and it practically put everyone out of business. IMO, it was the games, the programming, the controllers, and the fun factor. In 1989, Sega Genesis was the big "to do." Great games, and even better graphics. In 1995 - Sony Playstation - a home run. In 1996 - Nintendo 64 - great graphics, but no comparison to Sony's software.

All in all, over the years, it seems those with the best games have won out.

Jedi2016

11-28-2005, 12:26 AM

All in all, over the years, it seems those with the best games have won out.

Exactly.

That's why I don't own an Xbox, in fact. I'm not much of a shooter fan, and I don't play online.. so there goes Halo and XboxLive. So what's left? Sure, it's got more than that, but is it really worth the cost of a whole new console? No, not really. Not to me, anyway.

Ditto for the 360. There really isn't anything there that's worth the cost of a whole new system for me.

Sony and Nintendo have the games I like. It's as simple as that, it really is. Does that mean I'm not a "real gamer", because I don't want to spend $400+ just to play two or three games?

I agree with Christian M as well, in regards to PS3. Two words: Gran Turismo. To me, that is a game that's worth the cost of the system. Even Nintendo doesn't have that kind of thing, even though the Revolution is on my list for next year.

BrodyPenn

11-28-2005, 02:07 PM

PS3 and Revolution for me, and if in 2 years the 360 is cheap I will pick one up. I have all three current generation systems, and would have to say I played my Gamecube the most along with the PS2 a close second, and only used the xbox for Madden and Halo. I know the Gamecube has its problems, but I actually enjoyed many of the games such as Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Resident Evil 1,0 and 4, Viewtiful Joe and also many others. Plus my wife enjoys playing pretty much any Mario game which is nice. I love RPG's as well so the PS2 had my heart there... so I am really not biased to any of them, but will definatley have to wait and see with the Xbox 360

no man

11-30-2005, 07:09 PM

Exactly.

That's why I don't own an Xbox, in fact. I'm not much of a shooter fan, and I don't play online.. so there goes Halo and XboxLive. So what's left? Sure, it's got more than that, but is it really worth the cost of a whole new console? No, not really. Not to me, anyway.

Ditto for the 360. There really isn't anything there that's worth the cost of a whole new system for me.

Sony and Nintendo have the games I like. It's as simple as that, it really is. Does that mean I'm not a "real gamer", because I don't want to spend $400+ just to play two or three games?

I agree with Christian M as well, in regards to PS3. Two words: Gran Turismo. To me, that is a game that's worth the cost of the system. Even Nintendo doesn't have that kind of thing, even though the Revolution is on my list for next year.

i'm a total fan of shooters, like halo. I own it for pc, but because my computer is.. i can't call it worthless because its good but it boarders minimum requirments.. it lacks the xbox's speed and capabilities. Halo 2 i wish i had, not owning an xbox blows.. I'm getting the xbox360 for sure, for games like halo 3, san andreas and other gta's, cod 2, nfs most wanted, etc. As far as the online goes, i'm probably gonna be playing online alot, for the first few months i have the xbox360 i plan to play halo 2, vice city, and san andreas then i will turn to new games and online.

regards~

no man

10-16-2006, 10:28 PM

been a while since i posted last, seems like the Revolution *omit gay name* has taken the lead, with the 360 2nd, and - predictibly - ps3 last [:

since my last post i got:
- a 360
- xbox live (gold obvioisly)
- Oblivion
- CHROMEHOUUUUUNNNNNDDDDZZZZZZ

and i plan to get the new gta game when it comes out (NEXT YEAR DAMN THEM)

halo 2 coop still OWNS and PWNS and it will until the universes gravity pulls it all back together crushing us all *random croud cheers*

~OUTZ

davo

10-17-2006, 08:48 PM

halo 2 coop still OWNS and PWNS and it will until the universes gravity pulls it all back together crushing us all *random croud cheers*

~OUTZ[/QUOTE]

Sorry to burst your bubble on a minor point but you do know the universe is expanding at an ACCELERATED rate i.e. things are moving away and increasing the speed at which they do it. Scientists cant explain it, though they named the force causing it 'dark energy'. They haven't worked out what that is either.

Though your universe might change when PS3 is launched.:D

no man

10-18-2006, 09:24 PM

the only thing i like about the ps3 is that fact that it'll have Kill zone 2

on a random note: are you sure its called "dark energy" i think i heard another name, but forgot it..

if i could, i'd probably get all 3 new systems, but i cant.. dont have the money, if i did i'd have like one game per console :P

why cant they just make a universal system.. then again if you understand the technology you could slap together a universal system. It'd probably be bulky and ugly but i'd buy it :P

(btw if anyone DOES make a universal system that fully functions [offline & online] i might be interested...)

davo

10-18-2006, 10:02 PM

no man

10-21-2006, 11:23 PM

The other term you might have heard is 'Dark Matter', which again is a name for something scientists have no idea what it is. The problem is the mass of all the stars and planets in any galaxy is no where near enough to account for the gravitational effects of said galaxy i.e. the speed it rotates, gravitational effect on other galaxies. When I say there is not enough accountable mass, I mean scientist cant account for 95% of all the mass. Scary stuff.

Any way , back to topic. What does the Xlive gold package cost?
Apparently on the PS3 all access is free, you only pay for down loads.
Voice chat, video chat, multi-player gaming - all free. That should stir things up a bit.:cool:

dark matters the substance (antimatter), but dark force or w.e its called is the reverse of gravity [: - and yea its pretty messed up

xboxlive gold costs bout 70 buckaroos a year
sony bashed the price rumours and laid one the 499/599 combos (cnd) same as the 360 <-- which kinda pisses me off.. i dont like the ps3, but you could harvest the parts of that puppy and re-sell em for more :D

- but sony looses loads of cash per console sold, and have fun with the game prices XD

on a different note i've decided i wanna get a REVOLUTION (omit stupid name), its actually really kickass! brings FPS to a whole new level!!! also the online is going to be free (and the Rev's gonna have build in WiFi :eek: )

its by far the most backwards combatible system of all! you can download snes/nes/n64 games over their online thing, and fully backwards compatible with the gamecuberoni

also it has an sd card slot for picture viewing, a web browser and a messenger service!

all this kills my 360 addiction ]: i havnt played it in a while.. not that many games ya know...

i highly doubt ill get a ps3 (seeing as how i hate them and all) but part of me wants to try it

honestly all three consols will kickass - ill proudly own 2 :D