Yamaha VX-2600 or Rotel Amp/Pre-Pro

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avab

Enthusiast
Hi all,

I'm trying to decide between the new Yamaha receiver versus getting a Rotel pre-pro (RSP-1068 and the RMB-1075 5-channel amp).

What do you guys recommend? I am leaning toward the separates system. Do you feel that the sound of the Rotel system would warrant the much higher price tag ($1200 for the Yamaha versus $2700 for the Rotel Processor and amp).

The one advantage of the Yamaha is the obvious HDMI connections and the video upscaling ability. It would save me from getting a separate video upscaler. I am planning on using this unit with a Mitsubishi HC3000 DLP projector.

Thank you for your input - it is greatly appreciated!!
 
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Deathwish238

Junior Audioholic
If you need HDMI, get the Yamaha. If you prefer sound quality get the Rotel. A decent amp/pre-pro will almost always sound better.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
avab said:
Hi all,
I am leaning toward the separates system. Do you feel that the sound of the Rotel system would warrant the much higher price tag ($1200 for the Yamaha versus $2700 for the Rotel Processor and amp).
Thank you for your input - it is greatly appreciated!!

Not for me it would not be worth it. Unless that Rotel has something you must have, could not live without and only it could meet the need. Sound-wise, forget it.
 
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Dan Driscoll

Junior Audioholic
avab said:
Hi all,

I'm trying to decide between the new Yamaha receiver versus getting a Rotel pre-pro (RSP-1068 and the RMB-1075 5-channel amp).

If it were me I would absolutely go with the Rotel set-up, but it really depends on your priorities. As DW238 noted, the sound quality of the Rotel will be much better (IMO), particularly for music, which is why I would go that route. But whether that's worth more than twice as much, only you can decide. If this system were primarily for HT use or if HT is more important to you than music, then the Yamaha is the way to go. If music is your priority, go with the Rotel. Of course, there are other factors that come into play, such as the speakers and who knows, you might prefer the sound of the Yamaha, even for music.

BTW, you might also want to look at some other solutions. $2700 or even $1200 will go a long way towards some very nice used components, you could do better than the Yamaha or Rotel. Even if you decided to go with the Yamaha or Rotel, you could save a fair bit buying used.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Unless your speakers are a difficult load or very inefficient, I would go with the Yamaha, given these two choices. If you don't have great speakers now, or are about to buy great speakers, the Rotel would be a total waste of money. Speakers make more difference in sound than anything else except possibly the acoustics of your room, and the particular recording used (i.e., the CD, not the CD player; the DVD, not the DVD player). Better to spend the extra money on better speakers, and only bother with a separate power amplifier if the speakers are too difficult for a receiver to drive them adequately.

People often imagine that if components are placed in more boxes, they must be better. However, the exact same circuits can be placed in one box or many boxes, and if in one box, they can be shielded from each other and save you money because you are only buying one box. Separates give you more boxes, though they need not be better. Usually, however, the best amplifiers are built into separates, but that is not always the case. Also, being the "best" in amplification is often unnecessary, as one may not need much power or the ability to drive low impedance speakers, which brings me back to my first point, if you don't need an expensive amplifier, don't pay for one, unless you have money to burn. In which case, you might want to consider equipment other than what you have mentioned in this thread.
 
jcsprankle

jcsprankle

Audioholic
Receiver now, separates later

The one thing the Yamaha will let you do is to add amps later. You can get the receiver (with HDMI) now and then add separate amps in any configuration you wanted to using the Yammy's pre-amp outputs. Then, you can get the best of both worlds.
 
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flyv65

Full Audioholic
This is perilously close to a "personal preference" issue. Do you value the numerous DSP modes in the Yamaha, plan on pushing multiple zones, or intend to use your receiver as a video switching box? You should get the Yammie receiver. Do you listen to ALOT of music, think DSP modes are a blight on the acoustic world,or get the upgrade bug for the newest processing technology every three years or so? Get the Rotel stack. Rotel makes a good product at a fair price (due no doubt to the British design/Chinese manufacture theory) as does Yamaha-you'll find little to complain about in either case..

Bryan...problem solved: let's get a beer...:D
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....Avab, as noted in the other thread, it appears your trigger hath been tripped, Sir....

"I recently heard a Rotel pre/pro (1068) and the matching 5-ch amp here in Westminster, CA - excellent excellent sound."


.....to me, your course is clear....get out and listen to the receiver in question, and see if your trigger is tripped to the same extent audio-wise as to the sound quality....ask to be shown any merits of running your video through the receiver and see for yourself if that becomes a deciding factor....were I in your position, the video factors would probably not enter in striving for the best audio sound quality possible, if it boils down to the video simply being run through the receiver for easier switching factors, and not an actual improvement of the video image quality.......
 
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EastCoaster

Junior Audioholic
avab said:
Hi all,

I'm trying to decide between the new Yamaha receiver versus getting a Rotel pre-pro (RSP-1068 and the RMB-1075 5-channel amp).
It's worth reading up on some of the problems people are reporting with Rotel on Club Rotel on www.htguide.com. There's stuff on there like a simple touch triggering static that shorts the amp, amps blowing up, receivers coming out of the box and not working (several times), noises and hums that can't be fixed, etc. Wow - I couldn't believe how many people were complaining. And you don't hear that about Yamaha (although I have my gripes with them too).
 
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flyv65

Full Audioholic
EastCoaster said:
It's worth reading up on some of the problems people are reporting with Rotel on Club Rotel on www.htguide.com. There's stuff on there like a simple touch triggering static that shorts the amp, amps blowing up, receivers coming out of the box and not working (several times), noises and hums that can't be fixed, etc. Wow - I couldn't believe how many people were complaining. And you don't hear that about Yamaha (although I have my gripes with them too).
Good Ged, I haven't heard this, but I only know 3 people or so who have Rotel gear and haven't looked into buying one myself. I would hope that their customer service/warranty folks would make any problems right.

Bryan...FWIW, I've had NO problems with my gear...
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
avab said:
Hi all,

I'm trying to decide between the new Yamaha receiver versus getting a Rotel pre-pro (RSP-1068 and the RMB-1075 5-channel amp).

What do you guys recommend? I am leaning toward the separates system. Do you feel that the sound of the Rotel system would warrant the much higher price tag ($1200 for the Yamaha versus $2700 for the Rotel Processor and amp).

The one advantage of the Yamaha is the obvious HDMI connections and the video upscaling ability. It would save me from getting a separate video upscaler. I am planning on using this unit with a Mitsubishi HC3000 DLP projector.

Thank you for your input - it is greatly appreciated!!
AVAB, Go for the 2600, it is every bit of a preamp as the Rotel and then some, the Rotel amp may be more of an amp but the preamp/processing section is nowhere near the 2600. The 2600 is much more powerful in the processing dept. If you find you need more amp than the 2600 then get the Rotel at a later date. I doubt you will after listening to the 2600, but if you do you have a choice. Rotel makes fine gear, but as with most all seperate pre/pros they just do not have the same feature set as these new crop of AV receivers. I can not for the life of understand why they dont GET A CLUE. Yamaha and Denon need to introduce a dedicated pre/pro with the same feature set as their highest end receiver, then I might be tempted back to seperates, but it would have to have everthing or more than what the 2600 has now. I don't know of a Pre/pro that does at the moment. Certainly not at 1500 bucks or less.

Update: I just peeked at the Rotel pre/pro. It does not even have component video switching, no HDMI, no firewire, No THX select or select2 or any THX modes. Does not do DVD-Audio, etc, etc. Get the 2600/4600 or Denon 3806/4806. You will be just as happy and have far more ability for surround sound processing and video switching and/or scaling and upconverting.
 
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rollinrocker

Audioholic
jeff,

You should take another "peek" at the rotel spec sheet.
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
rollinrocker said:
jeff,

You should take another "peek" at the rotel spec sheet.
Yes, I see. I was looking at the 1098. Ok so it has component switching. But no upscaling to HD and everything else still applies and it is 1400 bucks. It is still not even close the 2600 in processing power, even just judging them both as pre/pro's. I did not even mention the 2600's PEQ and auto-setup, manual overides of the PEQ and the ability to apply the PEQ to DVD-AUDIO as well as THX music mode to DVD-Audio which engages ASA array and the surround back channels. Like I said it just does not compare as a processor. Don't get me wrong. I love Rotel amps and am still considering geting that big bad boy of a 5 channel amp., But lets get real too, as an A/V processor the 2600 blows away the 1068.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
As stated by a few others, get the Yamaha and add an amp or seven later if you feel you need them.
 
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rollinrocker

Audioholic
avab,

I use a denon 3803 receiver as a pre/pro, powered by a rotel 1095 5-channel amp. I think this setup sounds great for music, fantastic for h/t. I have not heard the yamaha rec., but i have heard the rotel 1066 pre-pro (predecessor to the 1068) and it sounds outstanding for music playback, both 2-channel and multi-channel. The bass mgt in the denon allows user to pick from 40 to 120 hz in 10 hz steps. The rotel goes one better by allowing user to adjust fronts, center and surround crossovers individually. The yamaha may do this also, i don't know. But, while this kind of flexibility is important to me, it may not concern you. But i WANT one!!
 
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avab

Enthusiast
Outstanding arguments for both

Hey gang,

Thank you RR and jeff for the outstanding arguments. I think jeff you are very correct as far as the **NEW** pre/processing power the new Yamaha is quite outstanding. I went to local Best Buy today at saw the VX-1600. Very nice unit. Has HDMI upconversion also and is THX Ultra certified (if that means a whole lot).

For the price point and the fact you get more raw processing power - I truly like Yamaha - and the fact that it was video upscaling is wonderful.

On the other hand, there is something alluring about that Rotel processor. As I mentioned, I recently heard the Rotel and watched the "5th Element" playing on some superb B&Ws. I'm not quite sure if the Rotel is a very good processor for HT from some of the reviews I've read, but for music it is undeniably pure.

For those of you who have listened to the Yamaha VX 2600 - I am sure it is an outstanding processor for music. The bigger question is - WHAT THE DISADVANTAGES OF THIS UNIT? WHERE DOES IT LACK?

After listening to all your excellent arguments, I think I am leaning more toward a complete receiver over a separate pre/pro - I'm going to spend a bit more time researching Yamaha's and Denons.

I would ideally like to match this system with a nice Marantz Universal DVD Player with HDMI - in that sense the extra HDMI pluggings on these new generation receivers would come in handy.

Thanks a million - you guys know your shizzle.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
im going to put my vote in for a yammy 2600 plus amps over the rotel pre-pro. unless you have a greater % of usage in audio over HT (say 90%:10%)
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
avab said:
Hey gang,


For those of you who have listened to the Yamaha VX 2600 - I am sure it is an outstanding processor for music. The bigger question is - WHAT THE DISADVANTAGES OF THIS UNIT? WHERE DOES IT LACK?



Thanks a million - you guys know your shizzle.
Good question, and I am willing to bet that the 2600 lacks nothing as a preamp. In Clints review he stated that the 2600 preamp section is much improved over prior models. I would guess that you would not be able to distinguish any difference when listening to music between the 2600 and the Rotel. I don't have proof but that is my gut feeling. Maybe Gene could shed a little more light on the subject.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....Guys, here's the original statement of need.....

"I'm trying to decide between the new Yamaha receiver versus getting a Rotel pre-pro (RSP-1068 and the RMB-1075 5-channel amp)."

....now, not "one" person could report having heard the Rotel dedicated 1068 pre-pro seperate, with RockinRoller being the closest with a reported hearing of a 1066, and you could honestly feel an enthusiasm that it set a precedent in his mind....then the thread, and a cousin thread also, progressively turned into a back-slappin' "yammie party", BYOB....all I heard was, "this is what I bought with seperates being out of the question per cost factors, and I think you should go the same route I did, because what I got sounds good"....to borrow a coined phrase, there are "misconceptions spewed" abundently on this and the cousin thread....

.....edit....yes, that would be RollinRocker, not RockerRollin, haha....sorry, Rollin, I couldn't think straight from all the noise nextdoor at the back-slappin' yammie party.....
 
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tritonstudio

Audioholic Intern
You guys make really good points out of the rx2600. No wonder it's the best buy A/V receiver in the department that make all the owner feel good for now till the rx-v2700 hit the market :) . I did demo the Arcam300, Rotel1067, Denon3806 .... then finally I got the 2600 like a snap when it hit the shelf. I asked myself can I hear the difference of the others over 2600 ? No, not quite really. The RX2600 really son of a gun after all. It's loaded with all music/movie processing modes that really make it a complete quality A/V for Music/Movie room. If I really need higher end in the future then I would go for the separate brand likes Mcintosh, Krell ...etc for a significant improvement (imo).
 
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