Yamaha TSR-700: Bad sound via HDMI, better via optical?

[Olew]

Hi guys

Hope really someone can give som advise or tips:
I joust bough a new Yamaha TSR-700 AVR receiver as af replacement for my Yamaha R-N500 (stereo).
My setup now is the newest Apple TV 4K connect via HDMI to the Yamaha TSR-700. from here another HDMI cable to my old Philips 40PLF7007 TV.
The speaker is to smaller Vincent Speaker SB-216 (8 ohm) and a sub XTZ 99.10. No surround at the moment, just stereo, 2.1!

I have follow the setup guide from Yamaha, and also rum the soups calibration (one point at the moment).
Everything is function okay, however, the sound is not the best: It's "closed", muddy and not the best stereo-perspective. Al this compared to my old setup (with the Yamaha R-N 500).
Today I tried to change the connection: Now direct HDMI connection between Apple TV and my TV (sound+video). And optical cable from TV to Yamaha TSR-700 (sound) - and bingo: Nice stereo, open crispy sound etc.

Conclusion(?): If sound get via my old Philips TV to the new Yamaha it will sound better, if it goes directly from the Apple TV to the Yamaha?
Can this really be true, or is there some settings etc. I have overseen?

I really hope someone can help. I don think it is the best solution using the optical cable, im missing the convenience from HDMI etc.

Best regards, Ole
Denmark

 

[Replicant 7]

You need this guy, @Trebdp83 he's got the V6A model. So hit him up!

 

[Leemix]

Sounds like a setup issue, and also do more than 1 calibration point as that will rarely give a decent calibration. Dont go all over the room but several points within a foot or two of the main first one gives the software something more accurate to work with. If you have only one ear and put it in the exact same spot every time one measuring point is ok.

Edit: check what sound modes are used for the HDMI and optical inputs.


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[Pogre]

Sounds like a setup issue, and also do more than 1 calibration point as that will rarely give a decent calibration. Dont go all over the room but several points within a foot or two of the main first one gives the software something more accurate to work with. If you have only one ear and put it in the exact same spot every time one measuring point is ok.

This is exactly what I was going to suggest. I'm not as familiar with YPAO, but I know Audyssey does a better job using more than 1 mic position. Keep to the recommended pattern, keep it fairly tight and make sure your room is quiet.

How does it sound in pure direct mode without YPAO? You should be able to bypass it. It might be that you just don't like the room correction. I would start with a fresh calibration tho. Use all of the available calibration points and make sure the mic is at ear height.

 

[Trebdp83]

If you like the sound you are getting now, that is all that matters. But, connecting the Apple TV 4K directly to the TV means you will not be able to superimpose the Yamahas menus over content from the Apple TV 4K as they are using separate inputs into the TV, if you haven't disconnected the Yamaha from the TV altogether.

The Apple TV 4K will output uncompressed PCM by default. The TV may be converting it for output of Dolby Digital 2.0/5.1 to the receiver. You can achieve similar results with the Apple TV 4K connected directly to the Yamaha. Go into the Video and Audio settings of the Apple TV 4K after connecting to the Yamaha again. In the audio settings, select Change Format to change the output from Best(uncompressed PCM) to Dolby Digital 5.1. This may give you the sound you are enjoying now using the optical output from the TV.

Some will cry foul at the thought of converting the signal. Remember that all Dolby signals are lossy and compressed when streamed from a service. This includes Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 based Atmos tracks. The Apple TV takes that signal and repackages it in a nice clean uncompressed PCM box and stamps an Atmos sign on it so the receiver can pick up the metadata. They call this process Dolby MAT. With only a 2.1 setup, the Yamaha would not pickup the Atmos metadata anyway. You need a 7.1 or a 5.1.2 configuration for the Yamaha to make use of metadata.

If you have not done so already , go into the Yamaha Amp Assign section and set it to basic. Then, go to Configuration and set the Surround, Surround Back and Presence speakers to NONE. With 2.1, you can just leave the Decoder at Straight or DSP mode to 2ch Stereo.

 

[Olew]

Sounds like a setup issue, and also do more than 1 calibration point as that will rarely give a decent calibration. Dont go all over the room but several points within a foot or two of the main first one gives the software something more accurate to work with. If you have only one ear and put it in the exact same spot every time one measuring point is ok.

Edit: check what sound modes are used for the HDMI and optical inputs.


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OK, will give it try.

 

[Olew]

This is exactly what I was going to suggest. I'm not as familiar with YPAO, but I know Audyssey does a better job using more than 1 mic position. Keep to the recommended pattern, keep it fairly tight and make sure your room is quiet.

How does it sound in pure direct mode without YPAO? You should be able to bypass it. It might be that you just don't like the room correction. I would start with a fresh calibration tho. Use all of the available calibration points and make sure the mic is at ear height.

I have played with the settings (there is a lot!), and it seems to help. Will try further, including fresh calibration in multiple point. Thanks.

 

[Olew]

If you like the sound you are getting now, that is all that matters. But, connecting the Apple TV 4K directly to the TV means you will not be able to superimpose the Yamahas menus over content from the Apple TV 4K as they are using separate inputs into the TV, if you haven't disconnected the Yamaha from the TV altogether.

The Apple TV 4K will output uncompressed PCM by default. The TV may be converting it for output of Dolby Digital 2.0/5.1 to the receiver. You can achieve similar results with the Apple TV 4K connected directly to the Yamaha. Go into the Video and Audio settings of the Apple TV 4K after connecting to the Yamaha again. In the audio settings, select Change Format to change the output from Best(uncompressed PCM) to Dolby Digital 5.1. This may give you the sound you are enjoying now using the optical output from the TV.

Some will cry foul at the thought of converting the signal. Remember that all Dolby signals are lossy and compressed when streamed from a service. This includes Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 based Atmos tracks. The Apple TV takes that signal and repackages it in a nice clean uncompressed PCM box and stamps an Atmos sign on it so the receiver can pick up the metadata. They call this process Dolby MAT. With only a 2.1 setup, the Yamaha would not pickup the Atmos metadata anyway. You need a 7.1 or a 5.1.2 configuration for the Yamaha to make use of metadata.

If you have not done so already , go into the Yamaha Amp Assign section and set it to basic. Then, go to Configuration and set the Surround, Surround Back and Presence speakers to NONE. With 2.1, you can just leave the Decoder at Straight or DSP mode to 2ch Stereo.

Fantastic! Very useful. I prefer to connect the ATV directly to the Yamaha, I will try your setup here. Thanks.

 

[Trebdp83]

It never hurts to get more measurements. But, the room settings you have already made will have been applied to the HDMI connection from the Apple TV 4K as well as the optical connection from the TV. A difference in the signal coming into the Yamaha from one connection compared to the other as well as different decoder or DSP settings for each connection may also account for the difference in perceived sound quality.

 

[Olew]

Sounds like a setup issue, and also do more than 1 calibration point as that will rarely give a decent calibration. Dont go all over the room but several points within a foot or two of the main first one gives the software something more accurate to work with. If you have only one ear and put it in the exact same spot every time one measuring point is ok.

Edit: check what sound modes are used for the HDMI and optical inputs.


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There can check this?