Yamaha RX-V765 or 1065

croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Okay, so I know how you guys feel about either of these as a stand alone receiver, but what do you think of either one as a pre-amp/processor? I have really been eyeing both (one to be chosen of course) of them as possible candidates to replace my aging VSX-1015. They aren't my only considerations, but I'm focusing on them for now.
 
codexp3

codexp3

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I think the Yamaha RX-V765 makes a great pre-amp. I recently purcashed a
V665 for pre-amp duty at my vacation property. It does just as well as the Integra 9.8 in my main system.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
I think the Yamaha RX-V765 makes a great pre-amp. I recently purcashed a
V665 for pre-amp duty at my vacation property. It does just as well as the Integra 9.8 in my main system.
Thanks for the input codexp3. Wow, so the 665 is up there with the Integra 9.8 huh? That seems quite good IMO.
 
codexp3

codexp3

Audioholic
The Integra has the advantage of Audyssey, but YPAO did a great job. The thing that surprised me more is that the Sunfire HRS subs hold their own against the Fathoms. Not 100 percent, but closer than I thought.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Even as a preamp? The power supply is not as important to me.
Hey croseiv, I thought the Yamaha RX-V663 was great as a preamp.
Plus it will cost you much less that the 765 or 1065.
And if you need one more HDMI input, you can get the RX-V863.

Just a thought to save you money. :)

Also, did you consider some Denon receivers with Audyssey Automatic Room EQ? Perhaps the Denon AVR-2809ci? I'm sure you can get a good price for it now, as the newer models are in.
** The Denon AVR-2809ci (and the AVR-2808ci) is consider one of the best pre/pro, and also A/V receiver by the vast majority of people. But you certainly must knew that already?
Anyway, just to keep some other great options open to you.

* Here's a review of the Denon AVR-989, which is the same as the AVR-2809ci, minus the 'ci' (Custom Integrated):
@ http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/3100/denon-avr-989-av-receiver.html

Cheers,

Bob
 
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cjsiv

cjsiv

Junior Audioholic
I have a 663 I'm looking to part with very reasonably. PM me if interested.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Lordoftherings said:
Hey croseiv, I thought the Yamaha RX-V663 was great as a preamp.
Didn't some of the 663s have a problem with DTS-MA popping? I know I read that over at AVS...
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
The 765 seems to be a better deal. Just make sure it has a quiet preamp section so you don't hear any hiss and hums.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Didn't some of the 663s have a problem with DTS-MA popping? I know I read that over at AVS...
Perhaps you know more than me on that one. I can certainly not say for sure.
The thing that seems to pop up from here at Audioholics and at AVS, is that the 663 is the prefer model over the 665; but it might have to do with the amp section, not the preamp one.

Besides, I trust Peng from his last post (#10), about the 765 model. :)
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
The thing that seems to pop up from here at Audioholics and at AVS, is that the 663 is the prefer model over the 665; but it might have to do with the amp section, not the preamp one.

Besides, I trust Peng from his last post (#10), about the 765 model. :)
The 765 seems to be a better deal. Just make sure it has a quiet preamp section so you don't hear any hiss and hums.
Yeah, thanks PENG. You stated something I've conisdered as well. It really only seems that the 1065 gives a USB port over the 765? For an extra 300 bucks.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Perhaps you know more than me on that one. I can certainly not say for sure.
The thing that seems to pop up from here at Audioholics and at AVS, is that the 663 is the prefer model over the 665; but it might have to do with the amp section, not the preamp one.

Besides, I trust Peng from his last post (#10), about the 765 model. :)

Thank you Bob but I am not so sure myself. I am betting the 765's preamp section is as good as the 663 which has received good reviews even in the U.K (they called it the 763 I guess). http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/new_reviews/yamaha+dsp+ax763+av+amplifier+05+01+09

The 763 is about 2 lbs lighter but hopefully that's mainly due to the use of lighter material for the heat sinks and casing.

Its maximum power consumption is 590W versus the HK AVR254's 540W so its ACD power would be comparable but I predict its 2 channel power output would be greater based on Yamaha model’s past performance in bench tests. All these talks about power may be totally irrelevant for the OP because he said he would be using it as a prepro only. However, should he change his mind, I think the 765 can easily power two rear channels.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Thank you Bob but I am not so sure myself. I am betting the 765's preamp section is as good as the 663 which has received good reviews even in the U.K (they called it the 763 I guess). http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/new_reviews/yamaha+dsp+ax763+av+amplifier+05+01+09

The 763 is about 2 lbs lighter but hopefully that's mainly due to the use of lighter material for the heat sinks and casing.

Its maximum power consumption is 590W versus the HK AVR254's 540W so its ACD power would be comparable but I predict its 2 channel power output would be greater based on Yamaha model’s past performance in bench tests. All these talks about power may be totally irrelevant for the OP because he said he would be using it as a prepro only. However, should he change his mind, I think the 765 can easily power two rear channels.
Wow! That 763 has some pretty impressive 2cH out put at 135 wpc!
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Yeah, thanks PENG. You stated something I've conisdered as well. It really only seems that the 1065 gives a USB port over the 765? For an extra 300 bucks.
You can't even use that USB port for firmware update! It does offer HD tuner if you care. The 300 bucks extra may only be 200 bucks street price, but to me it is still not worth that much.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I have read enough reviews with bench tests to say that Yamaha's low to mid range AVRs are typically power supply limited (meaning their amps are strong but the P/S are weak relatively speaking) whereas the lower to mid end HK products tend to be more amp limited (meaning beefy P/S, hence good ACD numbers but weaker amp sections).
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Have a look: options.

You're right Peng, croseiv is looking for a good preamp section, he is not concern on weight (heatsinks and power supply).

If I was croseiv, for the use he wants to make, I'll stretch a few more dollars, and see if I can get a good deal on the Denon AVR-2809ci.
I did mentioned that before. It is one of the most loved preamp, and also as an A/V receiver, in the market. I know some people that used the AVR-2808ci or the AVR-2809ci, in their very high end system setups. It also has an excellent DSP chip, perhaps one of the very best (Sharc), and great Dacs too (TI Burr-Brown PCM-1791a, or is it the BB DSD-1608 8-channel multich DAC? Ya, I think it is, the later).
*** The main thing here to realise, is that all Denon receivers with 8 channels pre outs, make excellent pre/pros, in addition of a good amp section, period.
And I know this for a fact; I personally used one of those for years, with total satisfaction.
So, I know that it means something very serious here. And I did read quite a lot about it. So, I say in all honesty, that it will be a very high consideration from me, to used the AVR-2808ci in a high end system, used as a pre/pro.
Also, there is a guy, here at Audioholics, that found the Denon AVR-989, which is the exact same model as the AVR-2809ci, for only $650 Canadian dollars at Future Shop in Canada (open box, floor model). That's about, what, $499 USA, roughly? $500 for an A/V receiver of the first order, with plenty of power, true power it is, and that is first class to be used in a high end system, with the fantastic Audyssey MultEQ XT, plus state-of-the-art features, incuding the best bass management in the all industry, for an A/V receiver that is; is extraordinary, to say the least.

BUT, if croseiv wants to get a Yamaha, used as a pre/pro, and I guess he likes to have as many HDMI inputs as possible; then I'm not too sure which model that would be.
The thing I know for sure, is that the people that used the 663 as their pre/pro or even as their main A/V receiver, seems to be very satisfied all across the board, and from all continents.

Now, if croseiv can do without HDMI, and want to save a very good chunk, he can use a Yamaha RX-V2600 (or even an RX-V2700), as an excellent A/V receiver, that excells as a pre/pro. And these two receivers can be found for very very little money.
Just ask Chris about his thoughts on the 2600, or even the 2700.
Me, I already know his thoughts, and he loves the Yamaha RX-V2600, period.

* So, here, I just shooted what could be useful information for croseiv. :)
[And I gathered these info, over time & from serious readings on the subject]

Bob
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Hey Bob, now that you are talking about stretching $.........I will be patiently waiting for you to recommend that Onkyo prepro, no? :D:D
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
^ Oh Ya. :D

* But the Denon AVR-2808ci is not a big stretch at all, if you do your home work, and check at places like Audiogon & Videogon.

*** But for Onkyo products, used as a Power Amp, Pre Amp, full A/V Receiver or separate Surround Processor, there will be a special section, only for that, that's a FACT. :D
 
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kriktsemaj99

Audioholic Intern
Didn't some of the 663s have a problem with DTS-MA popping? I know I read that over at AVS...
There's a firmware update that fixes the DTS-MA problem on the 663 (although only the early ones require it). But there never was a fix for the BTB/WTW video clipping problem on the 663, so that's one of the few things the x65 models do better.
 
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