Yamaha RX-V2500 Zone 2 AND Presence

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Azz123

Junior Audioholic
Hi All....

Ive got my Zone 2 setup (amp active) running some speakers in another area of my house. These are wired from the PRESENCE/ZONE 2 connectors on the back of the Amp.

On page 11 of the manual, it also shows output for Zone 2 over by the Zone 3 output via RCA jacks.

I take it that those outputs are NOT powered, and its not possible to run amplified Zone 2 and presence speakers?

Appreciate the heads up or a solution.

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HSM

Enthusiast
You can choose the 6 and 7 channels to be in main for a 7.1 channel setup or send those 2 channels to zone 2 which temporarily leaves you with a 5.1 setup. The zone 2 and 3 output jacks are for connecting to another amp/receiver in zove 2 or 3.
 
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mnnc

Full Audioholic
There are 7 amps within the 2500. You can use 5 for your theater, 2 for some outdoor spkrs, etc. Or a 7.1 theater and an additional/seperate amp for a set of spkrs elsewhere. You have a choice of using either presence OR back surround spkrs but not both in a theater setup.

So you could use a 7.1 with mains,center, surrounds, plus rear surrounds OR mains, center, surrounds, and front presence.
 
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Azz123

Junior Audioholic
mnnc.
Taken your point onboard and understand..

No option to use the 7 amps WITH zone 2 wired though not in use.

There is no options for wiring Zone2 AND presence at the same time.

Cheers.

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HSM

Enthusiast
Azz123 what are you trying to accomplish? How many speakers are set up in main room? mnnc said same as I said in earlier post. If you want to use 7 channels all the time in main room you will need an additional amp for speakers elsewhere. I have mine set up and love the option.
 
Azz123 said:
mnnc.
There is no options for wiring Zone2 AND presence at the same time.
I believe you can use the Zone 2/3 preamp outputs with an external 2-channel amplifier and still run 7.1 in the main room though I no longer have the receiver here to verify.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....many of our questions concerning the signal paths of multi-channel receivers would be on the road to being cleared up by the recognition that there are only two amplifier sections onboard....anyone thinking a 300 dollar 7.1 receiver has seven seperate-and-apart amplifier sections is only kidding themselves....multiple "modes" are able to be chosen or accessed, but isn't the most amiable and appreciated choice usually "STEREO"?....this is not negative in any way....isn't a roomful of speakers achieving surround-sound beneficially superior to two speakers?.....
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

Banned
mulester7 said:
...isn't a roomful of speakers achieving surround-sound beneficially superior to two speakers?.....


Hell no! Mule you know better than that!
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
MacManNM said:
Hell no! Mule you know better than that!
.....well, Mac, I was just sitting here bored and thought I might tell a whopper and start some crap, haha......
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

Banned
mulester7 said:
.....well, Mac, I was just sitting here bored and thought I might tell a whopper and start some crap, haha......

in that case, I am totaly wrong!
 
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zyepod

Enthusiast
Zones 2 and 3

Well I’m still confused by the Zone 2 and 3 thing… Leaving the Presence Speakers out of the picture how do you set up for a zone 2 or 3? I’m in the process of building a new house and I want to wire it properly (bedroom and patio). It’s confusing as to where I connect the wiring on the receiver. I was also told I had to have say an extra DVD if I wanted to play DVD in zone 2… Is this true? By the way I have a RX-V2500
 
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Azz123

Junior Audioholic
Zyepod.

From what you’ve said, you’re looking to have 3 zones in total? Your main listening environment (audio & video), the patio (audio), and the bedroom (audio & video).

Number 1 point - you cannot extend playback of A DIGITAL SOURCE to Zone 2 or 3. To define further, nothing connected to the receiver via an Optical or Coaxial connection will be playable in Zone 2 or 3. So no DVD audio signal to Zone 2 or 3 if you’ve connected the DVD players audio to the receiver via toslink or coaxial. I’m not sure about if the DVD player is connected to the receiver via the MULTI CHANNEL INPUT - I'd say (just logic telling me as it’s an analog source) it WILL work.

Also keep in mind that outputs for Zone 2&3 are going to be STEREO only. If you want surround sound in your bedroom, using Zone 2 isn’t going to work.

All of this is detailed on pages 78-80 of the 2500's manual.

If the above points are not an issue, where you wire your speakers for Zone 2 depends on if you are using the onboard amp of the receiver to power Zone 2. Zone 3 (your patio) will require either an amp or self powered speakers at the location as once again, Zone 3 output is line level only..

The facts are this - You require two lots of video - There are only two video outputs - Monitor and Zone 2, therefore you will connect your video output for Zone 1 to Monitor, and I assume your bedroom to the S-Video output for Zone 2.
For Zone 2
Picture
Distance to your bedroom from where the receiver is located in your house HAS to be taken into consideration at this point. You can get away with running substantial lengths of audio cable for different zones, though I'd be thinking twice about running an S-Video cable more than 10metres/33 feet.
Any longer run than that (I believe) you’re going to start to lose signal/picture quality for your video. I haven’t looked into if you can get an amplifier for S-video for longer runs - it may be a possibility.
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For Zone 2 you have the option of using the onboard amplifier or having a line level out (meaning you will require self powered speakers or a 2nd amp in Zone 2). If you plan on using the onboard amp for Zone 2, you’re also going to have to decide if you wish to control the receiver (volume etc) from the Zone 2 location. If you do, you will be required to run the wire(s) for the Infra Red pickup back to the receiver. I’m not sure if there is distance/cable length issues with the IR sender/receiver. Some of the installers that frequent this forum may chip in with feedback on this point.
If you are going to NOT use the 2500's amplifier to power Zone 2 (you’ve got self powered speakers or an amp in zone 2) you would connect via RCA plugs to the back of the receiver as detailed on page 11 of the PDF manual to point 12 - just left of centre to the area marked OUTPUT ZONE 2.
If you DO require the 2500 to power the speakers in Zone 2, you'd connect via the PRESENCE/ZONE 2 connectors (marked point 16), and your picture/video output still via the S-Video output over in point 12.

Output settings (powered or line level and volume control) for Zone 2 are done via the GUI on the receiver. The tricky part here is to make sure you enter the code into the remote so you can control Zone 2 and 3 with the remote AT the receiver after you’ve set it all to work. Instructions for this are on page 68 of the manual - By memory the code is 2001 that you have to enter.

Zone 3
The only option is line level output from the receiver. You will require either an amp to power your speakers, or the speakers to be self powered such as a set of decent computer speakers.
Wiring for Zone 3 will connect via RCA plugs at point 12 (bottom of the receiver, just left of centre) on page 11 of the manual on the rear of the amp where it’s marked OUTPUT ZONE 3. If you’ve got an amp in Zone 3, you would connect it to the 2500 via an AUX or "LINE IN" input. For computer speakers you will need to convert the RCA lead to a female 3.5mm plug so the speakers will plug into the lead..

For myself as I haven’t had to take Video into consideration for Zone 2 or 3, I’ve used the Receiver to power speakers in Zone 2 (my patio), and Zone 3 is feeding to a set of self powered computer speakers in my kitchen. I havent bothered running any wiring for remote control use in Zone 2 or 3 either.
Main source for output to Zones 2&3 is MP3 playback from my computer that is connected to the receiver by the stereo (RCA connectors) of in my case - VCR2.

I hope this has made the fog a little clearer!

Regards.

Aaron
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
Wireless Pation Option

A wireless option may be convenient for the patio or another remote location.
This product connects to the line level output (zone2 or 3) on your receiver and sends a wireless signal to the amplifier on your patio.

http://www.amphony.com/products/tfeatures.htm

It will probably work well with some efficient outdoor speakers like Rockets or Athenas.
Since it sounds like you are doing new construction, you can easily wire the bedroom without need for such gadgets.
 
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Azz123

Junior Audioholic
Add my further 2 cents worth...
If the one your looking at opperates on the 2.4 gHz spectrum, they get LOVELY interference from atleast your microwave.
Its the original way I had my kitchen speakers wired.
Palmed it off to my brother-in-law.. Good range, though still suffering from the microwave "buzz".....
Just giving you a "heads up"
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zyepod

Enthusiast
Worth It?

Wow this makes me wonder if it worth the trouble. All I really want is music so I guess I could use a multi-disc CD player. The only problem with that is you don't know what your listening to until you flip through everything searching. Hummm... Well a couple more questions if I may... Is the sound quality good and where do I get the RCA jacks to plug into the back of my receiver with open ends so I can connect my speaker wire? Oh and thanks Azz123 for your reply... It was very helpful...
 
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Azz123

Junior Audioholic
Zyepod...

Is the sound quality "good"? Define "good"... :rolleyes:

Its perfectly adequate for providing background music on a patio.. Is it "audiophile" quality? Well that is going to depend on the cable run, and your choice of speakers isnt it?

Connectors and cable.. Not sure in the USA - I assume your there?? We have the likes of Tandy, Jaycar,and D*ck (edit - banned word??) Smiths that have such.
You may also like to get the wall plate options if you are going to wire to your bedroom. These are like powerpoint plates though have nice female RCA conectors mounted on the wall. That way you run your speakers on a length of cable with male RCA plugs and just plug them into the wall. Nice, neat and tidy...
For cables, scour the forums. There are various options, GOOD advice - beware of snake oil retailers. For my kitchen (Zone 3) I used a run of Cat6 solid core for the 30m (110 foot) run I had to make. As I was running to a set of self powered computer speakers, the termination is a 3.5mm female headphone socket. Using Cat6 I could twist a pair for the left signal, the right signal, and the earth.

Is it worth it? Well, that all depends upon yourself, and taking the constraints into consideration, what you really wish to achieve. I believe for your patio option, yes it is. The bedroom option - IR pickup, component or S-Video cable for picture, and audio cable considering the best your going to get is stereo... Its a decision that your going to have to make..

That link that JcPanny sent had some wireless options that were not based on the 2.4gHz spectrum so interference should not be an issue..

There is also the option of the likes of the Apple Airport Express.

Good luck with it all.

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