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bros400pgm

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Hi to all of you. I just bought the yamaha 1500. Some friend recomended it. I use it with a Pioneer DV-470 player and B&W speakers (603 front, 602.5 rear, LCR60 center). At the moment i ordered a Tannoy saturn s-sub15, and waiting to arrive.
Anyway i used my friends' AudioCrystal subwoofer to see the capabilities of the amp. But, saddly, the sub couldn't produce the right sound. I put the volume on the sub and the amp's sub at max, but nothing was done. Used the YPAO to configure the amp, still nothing. The LFE effects were put on both sub and front speakers. Still nothing. The sub cannot produce a loud noise. All the bass is coming from the front speakers.
Anyone has any idea, just let me know. Thanks :confused:
 
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zumbo

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You say you wanted to see the capabilities of the amp? What amp? Your receiver has no amp for the LFE out. Don't know about your friends sub, but the one you ordered is "powered". So, you need to set all speakers to small, LFE to SWFR, and crossover to 80. When you run YPAO, skip speaker size. You may find a crossover point of 60 to work better.
 
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bros400pgm

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Well, the sub seems to make a big difference in home cinema. I wanted to see the difference with sub and without it. anyway, the sub couldn't be heard, so i assumed that either there is a problem with the yamaha, or the yamahas sub output is designed that way.
I will wait to get my tannoy and see the what is happening.
 
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nunesnuno

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I also have that receiver, and the same problem. :(
Going through the manual configuration, I've found out its a receiver configuration/output problem, because the sub will only work when the LFE output is set to BOTH or FRONT in the SOUND CONFIGURATION MENU.
Now that you've posted this problem, I can see it's a receiver problem, and not only mine one that's wrong, and maybe I'll write a mail to Yamaha to complain about that. :mad:
 
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fyrmedic01@hotm

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I too am unhappy with sub output with my Yammie especially in two channel music..I have my fronts set to small w/ sub out crossover to 60. I had a marantz that I could adjust volume on the fly..set my powered sub volume to half and could adjust the output..If I can't solve this problem the reciever may go back. setting the speakers to small did fix my problem with dts/thx output.
 
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bros400pgm

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I tried seting the LFE output first on sub, then to both, then to front but nothing was done. Bass was coming only from the fronts. Did you manage to make the sub produce the LFE? what sub you have?
Some guys posted that there is no problem with the yamaha. Have you tried to contact a yamaha's technician? The manual says that to produce bass from the sub in 2 channel, you have to set the LFE to both.
 
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bros400pgm

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Hi my friend. A couple of guys comment that they have the same problem.There is no sound coming from the sub when LFE is set to sub. My friens sub was puting out bass but the volume was too weak, even when all the settings on amp and sub, concerning the LFE, were to max.
What settings do you have and how did you connect the sub with the amp?
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
I have a 1400. I have my crossover set to 60. I have all speakers set to small. I have LFE set to SWFR. I ran YPAO and skipped speaker size. My sub works in 2-channel stereo mode and straight mode. Y'all may want to check your set-up.

What's the source? cd, dvd, tuner?

What brand and model sub are y'all using?
 
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fyrmedic01@hotm

Junior Audioholic
I have the cheap paradigm powered sub with adjustable volume and crossover on the back...There was an earlier thread that helped me alot. make sure your connections are correct, I know but it does happen. then make sure your front speakers are set to small. there was a difference of opinon weather to sub out or both out and I have not experimented with em yet...I a playing back and forth with my crossover between 80, 60htz..with my Marantz I was able to increase base level on the fly from the remote and if I wanted louder base with some music I was able to achieve it...to be honest I have not dug that deep into the manual...this is a very popular reciever that got good reviews from mult people...I honestly think that It is operator error on both our parts but it is frustrating to say the least. My movies sound fine in both dts, neo 6 and thx with plenty of sub action. but using two channel stereo the base sucks. Where are the Yammie guys..there are a ton of em out there.
 
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zumbo

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Try this. Turn your sub volume to half way. Turn the sub crossover (on the sub) all the way up. Set LFE to SWFR. Set all speakers to small. Set crossover (on receiver) at 60 or 80. Run YPAO skipping the speaker size.

Now, if you want more bass, just turn up the gain on the sub.

Also, the sub will hit harder set to 80. But, it can make it easy to locate the sub. I find it blends better set to 60, if the other speakers can handle it.

For even more bass, try your sub in the corner. (If not there already)
 
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fyrmedic01@hotm

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I will give it a try tomorrow, thanks again for the bailout.
 
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warpdrive

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zumbo said:
Try this. Turn your sub volume to half way. Turn the sub crossover (on the sub) all the way up. Set LFE to SWFR. Set all speakers to small. Set crossover (on receiver) at 60 or 80. Run YPAO skipping the speaker size.

Now, if you want more bass, just turn up the gain on the sub.

Also, the sub will hit harder set to 80. But, it can make it easy to locate the sub. I find it blends better set to 60, if the other speakers can handle it.
That was exactly what I did...

One other note. I first set the sub's volume level to halfway....YPAO didn't like it, it gave an error because the sub was just too loud for it to compensate. I turned the sub volume to about 40%, and then YPAO worked ok. Keep this in mind when you run your YPAO
 
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bros400pgm

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The source was dvd via optical line. tried speakers set to small, bass out to subwoofer. Nothing. Now the sub is gone back to my friends place, so i don't have to experiment with this.
Wanted to find what is happening because i gave quite a lot of money for the speakers and the amp, plus the tannoy is coming, and if it is yamahas problem, then the amp needs to go back. If its the subs' problem, maybe i should tried the sub before ordering it. Just to share my problem and find a solution before its too late. Thanks
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Two questions.
1) Was the dvd player set-up properly?
2) Was it a powered sub for home audio?
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
This is information from the audioholics home page. You can find tons of solutions and helpful tips. ;)

Receiver setup:



Bass management: Large/Small speaker settings. Set all speakers to small, let your subwoofer handle the low frequencies. Find a comfortable crossover setting, it might not always be THX’s recommended 80Hz.
LFE: Enable LFE (low frequency effects) to drive your sub. Your receiver might have an on/off setting for stereo.
Dynamic Range: Set to 100% (night mode, dynamic compression turned off).
DSP modes: Turn off all DSP modes. Only experiment with these when you’re ready to play with the sound.
Dolby Pro Logic II or IIx: Dolby PL II and IIx are primarily used for two channel (stereo) sources and PL IIx can also be used for discrete 5.1 sources to expand them to 7.1. Double check to see if the PL II or IIx settings are saved for each input selected. IE: Setup “music” appropriately for CD input, switch to VCR and see if your CD settings carried over to the other inputs. PLII presets and saved settings per input are convenient features and often overlooked when shopping for an A/V receiver.
Dolby Digital/DTS: Enable automatic detection of Dolby Digital/DTS for digital audio inputs. This should override any Pro Logic II or DSP setting you have chosen. There should be an indicator on your receiver’s front panel to let you know which audio format is detected.




DVD Player setup:



Bass Management: Large/Small speaker settings. Only one component should handle bass management. Receiver, DVD player or another specialty component such Outlaw’s ICBM. If another component is handling bass management set all speakers to large or turn off bass management.
S/PDIF: Use your DVD player’s digital audio output only (coax or optical). Do not use the RCA stereo output if you already have the digital output connected to the receiver.
Bitstream/PCM: Set audio output to bitstream. The only reason you wouldn’t want to use bitstream is if you’re not using the DVD player’s digital audio outputs. Almost all DVD players have PCM set as default, PCM will not send Dolby Digital or DTS to the receiver even if the DVD player is compatible with those audio formats. Countless new DVD player owners will listen to stereo PCM transmitted to their receiver over digital outputs, wondering why the receiver isn’t detecting Dolby Digital or DTS.
Audio filtering or effects: Disable any audio noise reduction, filtering, DSPs or any other audio effects your DVD Player might provide. The A/V Receiver can handle these. Experiment with these settings later, after you’ve heard the “true” sound of your system.
Aspect Ratio: Enable widescreen mode (16:9) assuming you have a compatible display for this aspect ratio. Disable zoom. Depending on your viewing preferences, zoom/stretch modes may be used on 16:9 displays when watching 4:3 program source material to utilize more screen area. There should be an independent setting on your display to enable these modes when viewing 4:3 program material.
Video output: Always use the best possible video output available on your TV. If your TV is High Definition you MUST use either Component outputs (R,G,B) or digital video such as DVI or HDMI to get a de-interlaced video signal to your TV. S-Video is your best option for non-digital TV.
Progressive Scan: Enable progressive scan if your DVD Player has this feature and your TV is Digital or HD.
Other Video Features: Black level, brightness, filtering etc should all be initially disabled on the DVD Player. In most cases all of the video tweaking should be done on your display. However, if you cannot achieve an accurate picture, you should then look at tweaking using the DVD player video adjustments.
 
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bros400pgm

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1.My dvd-player is a pioneer dv-470. Digital audio was on, dolby digital outwas on, DTS was on,linear PCM was 96>48 (think converts it). Nothnig else to play with.
2.It was a powered sub used in a home theatre with a SONY amp.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Sony amp? I thought the Yamaha was the problem? If this was a home-made job, you will be blown away when your Tannoy arives. Trust me. You have a top-grade piece of equipment. No need to jump the gun with something below par.
 
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bros400pgm

Enthusiast
No. You misunderstood. My friend, who owns the audiocrystal sub that I tried, has the SONY. I have the yamaha. but i am waiting for the tannoy to arrive. Here in greece we are a little slow on delivering things.
What do you mean by "a home-made job"?
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
I thought you meant it was a sub powered by a Sony amp. :eek:
 

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