yamaha rx-v1500 Bass output in "pure direct" mode

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fyrmedic01@hotm

Junior Audioholic
Can I get the sub to play in this mode, have a Yamaha RX-V1500. If it is not possible What is the best mode to get sound for music..with a bookshelf/sub combo with this amp??
 
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Krazykaj

Junior Audioholic
In Pure Direct Mode, you will not get any sub output. All crossovers/Bass Managment, speakers levels, delays, etc are bypassed.
You will need to listen in STRAIGHT MODE i think, to get the best sound.

Cheers
KJ
 
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fyrmedic01@hotm

Junior Audioholic
I have tried stereo mode with no luck the only time I can get my sub to work is in "seven channel mode" any other ideas. I am going to be shocked if this amp does not allow a sub to work with two channel music.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Not sure on your 1500. I have a 1400. The sub works in 2-channel stereo & in Straight. Double check your settings. :confused:
 
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Krazykaj

Junior Audioholic
i checked out your manual, and Here are the setting you should have you unit on:

FRONT SP: Small (NOT LARGE, or the setting on Bass out needs to be BOTH)
CROSS OVER: 80Hz or higher
Bass out: SWFR or BOTH depending which gives a better response (make sure it is NOT on FRONT)

Not make sure there are no DSP's by selecting STRAIGHT (this is toggled by the Straight/Effect button) and now play a bass heavy CD and you should have sound playing from your front speakers, and from the sub.

As a side, this may sound silly, but you do have your sub connected properly to the Sub Woofer Pre-Out Jack?

let me know how it goes, or if you already have these settings :)

Cheers
KJ
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
You may want to try crossover @ 60 if your bookshelf speakers will go to 40 or below. I find that the sub blends better set @ 60.
 
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fyrmedic01@hotm

Junior Audioholic
Thanks folks...My daughter just went to sleep but I will try this tomorrow and let everyone know..I just checked my hook up's and they are correct. but my speakers were set to "large" and the sub was on SW so I will change it to "both" Thanks again to all the responses I was ready to chuck the thing out the window:) great forum.
 
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Krazykaj

Junior Audioholic
If you have your speakers set to Large, the amp thinks that they are full range speakers, able to reproduce frequencies from 30Hz, or better, and up. So it sends the full range of audio (deep bass and all) to your front speakers, thinking it does not need to cross the audio over at some point and send certain sounds to your sub.

And with the Bass Out setting set to SWFR, basically you are telling the amp that bass signals below the pre determined crossover e.g. 60Hz from speakers set to SMALL are to go *only* to the sub along with any dedicated LFE signal e.g. the .1 in a DTS track.

That is why you are getting no bass when just your front speakers are playing. Because as far as you amp is concerned, everything, including bass, is being played by your front speakers and the sub is not needed.

So now you have two options;

You can set you front speakers to SMALL, telling the amp that your speakers are only able to play flat down to a certain frequency, and then after that, you need the sub to play anything lower.
So as mentioned above by zumbo, if you speakers can go down to 40Hz, you may consider a 60hz crossover.
This way, your speakers will be playing all the audio range down to 60hz, and then the Amp will start to roll the signal off, sending the rest of the audio i.e. 60hz and lower, to the sub.

OR

You can leave your front speakers set to Large, if you think that it still sounds better, but this time set your BASS OUT setting to BOTH.
This does a number of things.
But the thing that will effect/help you most, is that the amp not only sends the full range of audio/bass to the front speakers, (so they can play as much as they physically can), but it also sends the same audio to your sub according to your crossover again, AS IF your front speakers were set to small. So here your speakers will be getting full range audio, and so will you sub.

Now this may sound fine, but the general problem is that the sub now will not blend in smoothly, intergrate, with your speakers, and at certain frequencies, like at the crossover point, you may had 'loud' boomy notes, or quiet spots etc. as certain frequencies are being cancelled, or reinforced etc.

So that is why I, and many others (Audioholics even has an article on this I think), would highly recommend that you set your front speakers to small and go from there, finding out which is the best crossover to get a near seamless integration with you sub, and then leaving your Bass Out setting on SWFR.

It of course can get a lot more complicated than this, but I hope that that all made some helpful sense. :)

Hopefully it will all work ok.

Cheers
KJ
PS if anything i have said here is incorrect, please let me know :)
 
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fyrmedic01@hotm

Junior Audioholic
IT WORKED!!!! I am using dynaudio audience 52's 52-24hz so I set the crossover to 60hz, front speakers to "small" and for now SWF out, two channel sounds much better!!! I think I am going to play with the crossover some more just to see...THANK YOU to all who replied. The fact that you were all helpful and not critical is great.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
That setting should be the best. Now, if you want to play around with it, work on speaker placement to get the best blend. ;)
 

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