Yamaha RX V-2500 OSD Question.

[WooHoo]

I received my new Yamaha RX V-2500 the other day and have it up and running. Awesome unit. Really Rocks both movies and music. I am still playing around with all of the billions of features and probably will be for years or at least until the next upgrade. I have always been very pleased with Yamaha receivers and this one only confirms my loyalty.

I have a question about the OSD and component output. I have the component video in from the DirecTv STB and DVD player going to the AVR and the component out going to my Samsung 5065 DLP TV. I know that I can go direct to the TV but for now I prefer using the AVR switching.

On the TV there are 3 component video inputs.

Input 1 Supports 480i and 480p only.
Input 2 & 3 Supports 480p, 720p and 1080i.

As I have HD and a progressive scan DVD to 720p I have it hooked to input #2. Problem is that the OSD will not display. When I switch over to the S-Video input, no problem, but I do not want to keep it there. I am assuming that the OSD is being output at 480i? Anyone know any way around this or am I missing something? Thanks.

 

[Duffinator]

This sounds very similar to the Denon 3805. The Denon, and I believe the Yamaha, will not display the OSD when a component input is selected and distributed to the TV via component output. The setup menu should work regardless of the input selected. But when a component input is selected the volume and surround settings will not display on screen. This is quite annoying IMO. Maybe the next generation receivers will fix this along with the ability to distribute a digital signal input to the other zones.

 

[JeffreyDJ]

Right, the RXV2500 will show the OSD for Volume, etc. only when a non-component source is used. You can however, still get to the complete OSD menu regardless of mode.

 

[WooHoo]

Right, the RXV2500 will show the OSD for Volume, etc. only when a non-component source is used. You can however, still get to the complete OSD menu regardless of mode.

As you can see I received the unit thanks to your recommendation.

I don't understand your comment. I cannot get OSD to display unless I switch over to SVideo input on the TV. I think the monitor is the issue, not the Yamaha. I'm going to try switching to 480i to see what happens. This really peeves me as I hate switching video modes on the TV. That's why I am using the AVR for switching. Oh well, live and learn.

 

[Duffinator]

As you can see I received the unit thanks to your recommendation.

I don't understand your comment. I cannot get OSD to display unless I switch over to SVideo input on the TV. I think the monitor is the issue, not the Yamaha. I'm going to try switching to 480i to see what happens. This really peeves me as I hate switching video modes on the TV. That's why I am using the AVR for switching. Oh well, live and learn.

He may have omitted the word "setup". So your setup OSD's will not show using the component connection to your TV?

 

[WooHoo]

He may have omitted the word "setup". So your setup OSD's will not show using the component connection to your TV?

NOTHING shows when the component input is selected on the TV. No set up, not volume display. When I select the SVideo input everything shows. From this I assume that the component output of the OSD signal is less than what is allowed by the monitor for that input. The Samsung manual and the description under the input on the back of the monitor states 480i and 480p. The other two component inputs allow 480p through 1080i. I am using one of these as I have an HD Satellite receiver and a progressive scan DVD that outputs at 720p.

I am hoping I am missing something here. Something simple that I can change. Again, I think that this is an issue with the way Samsung has set up the component inputs and not with the Yamaha receiver, but I was hoping that with all of the RX V-2500 owners on this site that one of them would also have a 5065 or similar DLP monitor and might have a solution to enable me to view OSD all the time, not just in SVideo mode.

 

[JeffreyDJ]

I don't get volume or anything to show, but I can press the title/menu button to get to the SetUp screens when a component source is used. I have an X-Box (In HD mode) and Toshiba DVR hooked up as component sources. I still can get to the Setup menu only.

The only way I get the Volume indicator and video mode information to show while VIEWING the source is if I am using the DirecTv box (mine only supports S-video). However, it does upconvert to component just fine and displays as such on the TV.

The side benefit is that regular TV seems to look better as well. Don't know if it's because the TV or the Yammie is doing the upconvert, though. With that said, I wouldn't ever choose s-video over component

 

[WooHoo]

The culprit is definitely the monitor inputs. When I use the 480i/480p input it displays with component. Can't leave it that way as I need the 720p as it supports the native resolution of my DLP monitor.

The short message volume, etc. do not display unless you are in Svideo or composite mode. What a load of BS. Something that should have been pointed out and explained in the review. The receiver got a full 50 points for component OSD support. I might have given it half that.

I apologize in advance to Yamaha and the reviewers if I am off base here but I cannot think of any other solution. Even if my component input supported everything from 480i to 1080p the volume, etc would never show. That bites!

 

[Leprkon]

Even if my component input supported everything from 480i to 1080p the volume, etc would never show. That bites!

I'm guessing that you never once in your life had to get up and go across the room to change a channel or move the rabbit ears until you got the signal for the channel you wanted.....

 

[JeffreyDJ]

It doesn't bother me me that I don't see the volume level on screen. I can see it on thereceiver anyway.

 

[WooHoo]

I'm guessing that you never once in your life had to get up and go across the room to change a channel or move the rabbit ears until you got the signal for the channel you wanted.....

No. That applies only to my kids. I was overwhelmed by Pong and Atari, had the vise grip on the channel changer and watched the national anthem as the OTA channels went to sleep for the night. But, we have certain expectations with advancements in technology and in this case I want it all! Now if I could only get the MUTE button to work on my wife!

 

[Duffinator]

I Agree

The culprit is definitely the monitor inputs. When I use the 480i/480p input it displays with component. Can't leave it that way as I need the 720p as it supports the native resolution of my DLP monitor.

The short message volume, etc. do not display unless you are in Svideo or composite mode. What a load of BS. Something that should have been pointed out and explained in the review. The receiver got a full 50 points for component OSD support. I might have given it half that.

I apologize in advance to Yamaha and the reviewers if I am off base here but I cannot think of any other solution. Even if my component input supported everything from 480i to 1080p the volume, etc would never show. That bites!

My Denon 3805 is in the same boat and I find it annoying. I use my receiver to switch video inputs and it would be nice to see the OSD information regardless of which input you are on. I sit 13 feet away from the receiver and it's hard for me to read the display. And if the receiver was mounted in a rack behind you or in a closed cabinet you wouldn't be able to view the display. When there is a mid-fi receiver like the 2500 or 3805 that switches and transports all inputs via HDMI and displays all OSD information regardless of input I will upgrade...again.

 

[VeiKKO]

Has it occurred to your mind(s), that adding OSD into component signal might decrease the quality of image. Because nobody doesn't use (or at least shouldn't use) composite and/or Y/C (aka S-Video) -signals with HD video material it doesn't matter if signal is compromised by adding OSD with it.

But component video is totally different thing. For me, it was one of key issues before purchasing RX-V2500 to verify that there is no OSD with component video.

 

[JeffreyDJ]

I'm sure that's their thinking, but an option would be nice, dontcha think?

 

[Duffinator]

Has it occurred to your mind(s), that adding OSD into component signal might decrease the quality of image. Because nobody doesn't use (or at least shouldn't use) composite and/or Y/C (aka S-Video) -signals with HD video material it doesn't matter if signal is compromised by adding OSD with it.

But component video is totally different thing. For me, it was one of key issues before purchasing RX-V2500 to verify that there is no OSD with component video.

That makes no sense at all. There's plenty of bandwidth capacity built into the receiver to handle both. And it's not like it's on all the time, just a few seconds. I believe higher end equipment will do this and what Yamaha/Denon and the others need to do is add a component OSD generator. I think it would be a nice option.

 

[WooHoo]

Hmmmm! Yah I guess it did occur to me, but let's see. I get OSD with my DVD through component or DVI. Even my kid's crappy old VCR works and has a terrific looking display. The Yamaha claim is technically correct but at the same time it is misleading as to make you think messages are available. At any rate I got over this about oh, 10 days ago. I'll have to come up with a different rant. Try and stump you maybe.

 

[Duffinator]

Hmmmm! Yah I guess it did occur to me, but let's see. I get OSD with my DVD through component or DVI. Even my kid's crappy old VCR works and has a terrific looking display. The Yamaha claim is technically correct but at the same time it is misleading as to make you think messages are available. At any rate I got over this about oh, 10 days ago. I'll have to come up with a different rant. Try and stump you maybe.

Yes I'm past it as well. Let's see, switching HDMI while "upconverting all inputs to HDMI, with all OSD available on HDMI. Sounds like a good reason to upgrade in a couple of years.