So we know\n1) Full HDMI update is not until Feb 22\n2) The issues Gene found in measurements cannot be fixed by firmware, requires a hardware change in the next iteration of their platform, who knows when that will be. Anyone who already has one of these will have to buy the next gen receiver to fix those issues.\n\nSo I agree with Andrew, why would anyone pay more for less now? I've been bitten by "feature coming soon in update" before. I won't fall for that again. If I have to wait until Yamaha fixes this platform, I might as well get an Onkyo RZ70 or RZ90 with Dirac Live Bass Control, they should be available by then.\n\nWhy would anyone buy a Yamaha, Adventage AVR? According to his fluff piece of a review, the other's didn't sound better than the A8A, that Z50 his word a lil better on the low-end, but not as good as the A8A over all. That's a very subjective review he did just one dude's opinion nothing else. When he compared the Yamaha V6A to Denons 3700H as in sound quality, saying it was on the same level as the A8A and the 3700H. Just a fluff piece like the other's do. That's no more than a marketing piece video. You didn't notice how the zooming in on the speakers like close ups on the Tweeter and the driver's. Fluff piece not much credibility other than marketing fluff. I had the V6A, it isn't on the same level as the A8A or the Denon 3700H. Can't say about the Marantz, never heard so no comment on that AVR. I've heard that 3700H and in my opinion it's on the same level of sound quality as my RX-A4A but not the V6A. Before I went with the A4A, I went to two audio stores in Lafayette, Best Buy and a private owned store just to do a look see on that 3700H. At the time I had the V6A, sold it off picked up the RX-A1080. I should also state if the price was right and the deal was real, that Denon 3700H would be sitting in my setup. My Dealer made me an offer on the RX-A1080 I couldn't refuse. Saved me over 450 on a new A1080.