Yamaha 2700 Flagship - Has Yamaha given up on high end?

[wagonorsuv]

CES coverage by by Gene and team was nice. The interview with the Yamaha rep had a little scary piece to it however that went something like this...

"Our 2700 is Yamaha's Flagship receiver."


Please tell me that at $1,800, they are incorrect. This price point is the middle of Denon's, Onkyo and Marantz, leaving them in the leagues with Pioneer and HK....

I personally hope this was just short term info and that a Z9 replacement with even better chips over the 2700 is coming (would have hoped that came out at CES 2007) as the 2700 has been out...

 

[MDS]

Instead of trying to classify receivers or any other type of electronics into low, mid, and high-end ('flagship') based on price it should be done based on the tested and verified specifications.

The 2700 may very well be much better than the older Z1 and due to the ever falling cost of components, you get a much better product at a lower price point. Thus, it is the new flagship.

 

[Hi Ho]

Tell me, why must a product have to cost a huge amount of money to be a flagship product? You don't always get more when you pay more, at least not enough to justify a huge jump in price. That's my opinion anyway. I own a 2700 and it is a superb peice of equipment.

 

[Buckle-meister]

Tell me, why must a product have to cost a huge amount of money to be a flagship product? You don't always get more when you pay more...

True, but you usually do.

 

[JackT]

CES coverage by by Gene and team was nice. The interview with the Yamaha rep had a little scary piece to it however that went something like this...

"Our 2700 is Yamaha's Flagship receiver."


Please tell me that at $1,800, they are incorrect. This price point is the middle of Denon's, Onkyo and Marantz, leaving them in the leagues with Pioneer and HK....

I personally hope this was just short term info and that a Z9 replacement with even better chips over the 2700 is coming (would have hoped that came out at CES 2007) as the 2700 has been out...

Seems like you're concerned that it doesn't cost enough, rather than any performance issues. If you want to pay more for it, I'm sure Yamaha will work something out.

 

[Crackerballer]

Seems like you're concerned that it doesn't cost enough, rather than any performance issues. If you want to pay more for it, I'm sure Yamaha will work something out.

Agreed, my 2500 was great. Wish I could afford a 2700.

 

[Seth=L]

Isn't the RX-Z9 still in production?

If it isn't you can expect to see a new RX-Z series receiver with all the fixens. Maybe it is waiting for True HD, and DTS-HD before they release another RX-Z receiver.

 

[wagonorsuv]

All valid points but...

Good points, 2700 is a great receiver but Yamaha isn't going to undercut Onkyo, Marantz, Denon by $2000-3,000 having sold the z1 and z9 at over $3,500.

Z8 is still in production and has more power, features aside from current electronics. Hope was a Z9 replacement was in the works....

I'm actually thinking about a 2700 but want more power, thx ultra, 1.3 hdmi, etc.

 

[Buckle-meister]

Isn't the RX-Z9 still in production?...Maybe it is waiting for True HD, and DTS-HD before they release another RX-Z receiver.

That's what I reckon.

 

[porziob]

CES coverage by by Gene and team was nice. The interview with the Yamaha rep had a little scary piece to it however that went something like this...

"Our 2700 is Yamaha's Flagship receiver."


Please tell me that at $1,800, they are incorrect. This price point is the middle of Denon's, Onkyo and Marantz, leaving them in the leagues with Pioneer and HK....

I personally hope this was just short term info and that a Z9 replacement with even better chips over the 2700 is coming (would have hoped that came out at CES 2007) as the 2700 has been out...

Yamaha stopped being a hi end co. a few decades ago in their headlong rush to penetrate the mass mkt a la Pioneer & Kenwood. A hi end co. can`t be all things to all people. When Yammy 1st came to these shores about 30 yrs. ago, they were only found in hi end stores. Today Yammy is geared to the 24 hr. convenience store, deli & bodega mkts.

 

[highfihoney]

Yamaha stopped being a hi end co. a few decades ago in their headlong rush to penetrate the mass mkt a la Pioneer & Kenwood. A hi end co. can`t be all things to all people. When Yammy 1st came to these shores about 30 yrs. ago, they were only found in hi end stores. Today Yammy is geared to the 24 hr. convenience store, deli & bodega mkts.

Once again on this forum i ask you,what is wrong with your head!

Whats your motivation to even come to these forums,in every forum you visit your posts constantly run other peoples gear in the mud & are full of trash talk but this time you choose to run a manufacturer's entire line in the ground,people work hard for the gear they buy & are proud of their systems, the last thing anybody needs is a moron who steady spews garbage out of their pork hole

When you were described as being a "tird in the punch bowl" over at audiogon it was an understatement.

Ive asked you this before,when are you going to post some pic's of this world class system of yours or are you only here to critique & criticize.

 

[Nomo]

Isn't the RX-Z9 still in production?

If it isn't you can expect to see a new RX-Z series receiver with all the fixens. Maybe it is waiting for True HD, and DTS-HD before they release another RX-Z receiver.

I think this hits it right on the head.
Why waste the time and resources releasing a flagship receiver just before the rules are about to change?

As far as Yamaha no longer being a high end company; maybe that's a matter of opinion. Not mine.

I have a feeling Yamaha won't be willing back out of the high end game for quite some time.

 

[Nick250]

With $1000 receivers being as good as they are these days, I suspect the high end market is getting smaller and smaller. It would be interesting to see recent numbers on this since I am just speculating.

Nick

 

[Seth=L]

Yamaha stopped being a hi end co. a few decades ago in their headlong rush to penetrate the mass mkt a la Pioneer & Kenwood. A hi end co. can`t be all things to all people. When Yammy 1st came to these shores about 30 yrs. ago, they were only found in hi end stores. Today Yammy is geared to the 24 hr. convenience store, deli & bodega mkts.

I wish you would stop and listen to yourself. Number one, in certain price brackets high end is subjective. Second, in some instances it isn't. Say the RX-V series, there is no debate on if that is high end. Lets keep those crazy comments of yours down to zero from now on.

 

[MDS]

With $1000 receivers being as good as they are these days, I suspect the high end market is getting smaller and smaller. It would be interesting to see recent numbers on this since I am just speculating.

Nick

That sounds reasonable to me. My self-imposed limit for a receiver is $1K because I think if you go beyond that the incremental improvement isn't worth the extra cost. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.