Wilson is not good for the money.

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Zaluss

Audioholic
No I completely agree. I auditioned the Watt Puppies here at Music Lovers SF and they were very disappointing price/performance ratio. I much perferred however the Paradigm Signatures they had lined up :D
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/69687-does-wilson-audio-know-what-they-aredoing.html

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/920/index6.html

Their speakers have worse measured performance than my Vandersteen 2Ce towers that have a suggested retail of $1200. The Wilson speakers look kinda cool, just not $20,000+ cool. Huge waste of money.

Now let's see how many flies I can catch.
How can you possibly post this? That's some of the most hurtful posting I have seen, ever. :D

What's the problem? The Watt Puppy seems to have kept the response to about +/-3dB from about 47 to 20KHz.

"Also like the Rockport, the Wilson produced ultra-black backgrounds from which the most delicate and easily damaged sounds emerged unscathed."

WTH is this? How can a speaker do anything but remain silent when there's no input? When I pause the music with my eyes closed, I hardly even know my speakers are there. Also, and I haven't done the full-boat tests in an anechoic room, the RTA response of my speakers is flatter and smoother than these.

So there.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Sterephile:
Is it "perfect"? No. But it's surely good enough!
Wow, Mr Snake oil top salesmen, cable risers right hand man says they arent perfect??

btw: I did auditioned them, and found them about average in performance and outstanding price wise. I typically buy my speakers other way around :D
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I have no business at all yet in reading speaker measurements.

Well, in the first link, I see there is a Thiel and Dyn Confidence. I assume both are using first order xovers? (Does that allow better on-axis response? I know it makes it all phase coherent, and I think that's why I've enjoyed listening to Dyns, and have been fascinated with Thiels, which are even sloped 15 degrees for perfect time alignment as I learned from TLS Guy). If so, I wonder how much closer the performance of the Wilson would be when considerably offaxis, if not even better(??). Well. . . I have no idea what slope of xover it uses.

Maybe the humps at the midbass and midrange were purposely voiced so that listeners think they are both excellent with "bass" and "midrange detail"? :D Do not Ascend speakers have midrange humps, that may be there for "perceived musical detail"? What is it that TLS says all the time . . . Good speaker design is the . . . ok I had to run the search function: "A speaker is the sum of compromises and intelligent choices and judgments by the designer". . . :D

Anyways, I've never even seen a Wilson.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Wilson is a luxury brand. I've only heard them at a home once, and it wasn't ideal. They are more of a modern 'art' piece where you can say you have a fine speaker. It's like a Gucci bag - it is well made, probably sounds good, looks cool (depending on your taste) ... and they certainly make a statement.

Here is a guy that took better pictures of the cars to show off than his speakers. Not even a decent close up shot of the speakers. I could give a **** about his Enzo.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1154494&highlight=wilson

3 days of tuning to get it dialed in. Its easy to take the shots, but for some its their "right" speaker. :eek:
Your post was the best on there. "Is there a princess?"

AHAHAHAHA.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I could give a **** about his Enzo.
Really ??? My covet gauge just exploded. !!! :eek:

After seeing those pic's I could give a **** about speakers. :eek:

F^%&, I was feeling okay about being me up until I saw all that. Thanks guys. :rolleyes:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Guy needs to replace that RPTV, especially since he clearly has more money than he knows what to do with. It's the least he could do.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/69687-does-wilson-audio-know-what-they-aredoing.html

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/920/index6.html

Their speakers have worse measured performance than my Vandersteen 2Ce towers that have a suggested retail of $1200. The Wilson speakers look kinda cool, just not $20,000+ cool. Huge waste of money.

Now let's see how many flies I can catch.
Seth, I think you may be right in this one. These are the only Wilson speakers I have auditioned, about 9 months ago with my friend Phil.

These were originally 50K, at a high end dealer in Minneapolis. I gather they had over stayed their welcome, and the dealer was ready to sacrifice for $31K!

The speakers are huge and weigh a ton. The dealer put on some folk music with solo guitar and female vocalist. Right away I thought there was excessive presence in the vocalist's voice, but it was not unpleasant and well focused.

Now these speakers were being fed by huge Mac mono blocks from a high end CD player direct.

So I got out my discs. The first audition was of the AHO symphony No.12, with the loud rhythmic drumming in the first movement. I just could not kick those speakers to produce any visceral impact at all. No crack to the drums, it was a real disappointment for speakers that big. Adding a massive Wilson sub only helped marginally. A totally different experience from my rig and also the B & W 800 ds of Phil's.

Then we listened to some orchestral music. The whole sound stage was muddled, everything in confusion and flutes in particular popping out and bringing far too much attention to themselves. Brass was rough and string sound not the best. Again it was impossible to work up a decent spl. without the speakers sounding very stressed. I had the impression there was a significant mid range problem.

I said to Phil lets go for the jugular, and brought out the CDs, of British boys choirs in cathedral spaces. The result can only be described as awful and unpleasant. There was no smoothness to trebles and the echo of their voices dominated the whole sound stage in a most unpleasant fashion. There was no sense of space at all.

I said to Phil these speakers have a nasty peak around 1.5 kHz.

That concluded our unhappy experience with those monsters. The sales man said we were using the wrong music for evaluation!

Now I was not expecting to run into these speakers and so new of no measurements. However on digging them up lo and behold the 1.5 kHz peak.

If you look at the waterfall plot you can see a boat load of problems in the speech discrimination band. They sound like they measure, and its not pleasant Seth.

A speaker with that kind of response in the critical speech discrimination band is not worth much.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Is this the kinda fly yer lookin fer? ;)
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
That concluded our unhappy experience with those monsters. The sales man said we were using the wrong music for evaluation! .

TLS!! How could you??!!! :D Geeze, I didn't know speakers were supposed to be taylored to specific music genre, espscially the expensive ones. ;)
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
That concluded our unhappy experience with those monsters. The sales man said we were using the wrong music for evaluation!
That's good. He thinks someone should shell out $31K for a pair that he can't sell because nobody brings the right demo music. What does he think they should be demo'd with- Tibetan throat singing?

Did anyone ask if a potential speaker buyer should modify their listening habits and musical preferences to suit the speakers? That's absurd!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
That's good. He thinks someone should shell out $31K for a pair that he can't sell because nobody brings the right demo music. What does he think they should be demo'd with- Tibetan throat singing?

Did anyone ask if a potential speaker buyer should modify their listening habits and musical preferences to suit the speakers? That's absurd!
I would bet that any genre of music an evaluator was used to and had an interest in would likely not sound good. Between on and 3 kHz is absolutely the worse pass band to have trouble, especially a peak.

What I don't understand how anyone with integrity could let those out of the factory, let alone at that price.

The thing that is sad is that if I set up a pair of Quad ESL 57 in good order. Bear in mind these were first demonstrated in 1955. If I used good Quad or Leak tube electronics of the period and a sourced from a Garrard 301 turntable with Decca ffss pickup, or Ortofon SPU series in an SME arm, with a good LP it would have blown that system away and not given much quarter to spl with those speakers.

If I used good equipment like that readily available in 1959 it would give little in terms of fidelity to most modern rigs and easily best most budget and medium priced rigs of today. Now I admit you have to give a high price now for those items especially a good working pair of these electrostatics. If anyone ever gets a chance to audition those first Quad electrostatics they should. They never fail to bring pleasure and still open eyes and ears. No wonder they have been voted the greatest Hi-Fi product of all time! On their introduction they absolutely changed everything, especially peoples view of what was possible. For that we will be forever in debt to Peter Walker.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Really ??? My covet gauge just exploded. !!! :eek:

After seeing those pic's I could give a **** about speakers. :eek:

F^%&, I was feeling okay about being me up until I saw all that. Thanks guys. :rolleyes:
I hate it when people flaunt wealth. I was giving him benefit of the doubt originally, with just admiring his cars and figuring he was being cool posting them, but once I got to the wife one and the one with the Maybach and the champaign glass I puked. That stuff is just irritating to me.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I hate it when people flaunt wealth. I was giving him benefit of the doubt originally, with just admiring his cars and figuring he was being cool posting them, but once I got to the wife one and the one with the Maybach and the champaign glass I puked. That stuff is just irritating to me.
But he does his own yard work :eek::confused::D
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
410 pounds a piece? Screw that. They should be totally inert and neutral if they weight that much.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
But he does his own yard work :eek::confused::D
Haha. I like working on my house too, but it isn't /economical/. It's certainly not the way to own an Enzo like he insinuated. Here in Florida, it costs like nothing to have a landscaper come, certainly cheaper than the opportunity cost, especially at his income level. I didn't read the whole thread, but I think he said he was a doctor. I assume he bills out at more than the landscaper.

I do my own electrical, but that's because I /like/ doing my own electrical. It isn't cheaper for me to do it myself than to hire a electrician. For the time I'm screwing around running wire I could be working and making more money than it would cost me to have someone else do it. I do it because I'm a dumbass and find it relaxing. Same reason I setup my own audio equipment. Not because someone else couldn't do it better and probably cheaper than what my time costs me, but because I enjoy it.

The guy is not only a jackass but gives bad advice. :)
 
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jamie2112

Banned
What????:eek: Wilsons aren't worth the money? Who knew? I am shocked and awed:eek::D:D:D
WOED Seth...........
 
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