Why pay more?

[pam]

<font color='#000000'>Hi

Take a DVD/CD transport. No DAC, just three connections:
- DVI for video;
- Toslink and digital audio for home theater;
- IEEE-1394 for multi-channel audio.

That is all you need for a high-end receiver.

I am sure that the circuit in the Denon AVR-5803 for processing DAC is as good as the one in their 5900.

Same with Yamaha RX-Z9.

Save 1000$ on the DVD player, put it on the receiver: et voila.

The only problem, this dream DVD (cheap, cheap, cheap) does not exist. The manufacturer who does that will change the paradigm in the industry. If we do enough noise, they will listen... Integra DTR-10.5 seems to go in that direction.</font>

 

[Rip Van Woofer]

<font color='#000000'>What are you, some kind of communist!?! &nbsp;

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[pam]

<font color='#000000'>What is political about wanting to pay less? Are you calling me communist to insult me?

Would you buy a car with two engines: one 8 cylinder and another one 6 cylinder when you can only use one engine at a time? This is exactly what we are doing when we get DAC in the DVD player and some other in the receiver.

I am also stating that the people who buy can influence the manufacturers. I the capitalist system, marketers are using something calling focus group to try to understand their customers.

I am just trying to do publicity for an idea that will cost less to implement. Every time Gene does some recommendation when writing a review, he is doing the same thing. Anyway, all of this is getting us out of the subject. Just forget it.</font>

 

[Rip Van Woofer]

<font color='#000000'>Eeet ees leetle joke, yes? Such a &quot;subversive&quot; notion -- hence the smiley...

To remove all doubt: I agree, it is actually a very good question. Any takers? All I can ignorantly guess is that the DACs in recievers/pre-pros don't do exactly the same job as those in CD/DVD players? But I'm clueless in that area. That's no joke. (I pause here to scratch my Neanderthal protruding brow...)

The only other thing I can think of (as I mentioned elsewhere) is that the DAC's are redundant, and are there in players to provide an analog output, because a pure digital output would make digital copying easy, and that gives the music industry the willies. But then, my Arcam CDP and others have a &quot;digital&quot; output for connecting to an outboard DAC so...??

Hope I didn't offend any Neanderthals out there!</font>

 

[av_phile]

<font color='#000000'>I agree many DVD players' DACs are redundant when you consider those HT preamps and receivers already have DACs and processors. &nbsp;

But i think those DACS are getting cheap that manufacturers just put them in. &nbsp;And curiously, it's the transport only players that are more expensive. &nbsp;As well as external DACs/Processors.</font>

 

[pam]

<font color='#000000'>Rip

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

AV_Phile

You are right, high-end audio are the only ones offering a separate transport. That was true 10 years ago and it is still true.
Even then, removing more than 50% of the electronics would decrease the price. Also there would be no need of any kind of 'pre-amplification' of the output of the DAC.

PAM</font>

 

[Guest]

<font color='#000000'>Depending on the connections and which DAC's you're using (player or processor), &quot;extra&quot; DAC's can really just become redundant. &nbsp;Theoretically speaking, you can &quot;clean&quot; up the signal paths by having less electronics and/or conversion(s) taking place. &nbsp;Or alternatively, you can buy &quot;better&quot; higher quality outboard DAC's to put in line between the player and processor. &nbsp;This outboard method is primarily for those who think they have &quot;golden ears&quot;!!!</font>