Why does the Onkyo weigh more?

[gmichael]

Is it because they have beefier amps and power supplies? If so, this is important info.
I am looking to pick up a new receiver in the $1k range. The three in the front running are as follows:
The Onkyo TX-NR809 for $1099 found here http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-NR809&class=Receiver&p=i

The Yamaha RX-A1010 for $1099.95 found here http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a1010_black_u/?mode=model

And the Denon AVR-3312CI for $1099.99 found here http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=3d9614d1-8000-4106-ab91-8192242cab83&SubId=40b5820d-83c2-4e93-9909-60aae60e0bdd&ProductId=333b93c6-1dd0-4176-a06c-d2224674832a

They all have a ton of new features that I mostly don’t give a rats ars about. But they do have what I am looking for the most. I want to have at least 5+ HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs with 3D capability. I want to be able to watch sports on my projector screen while playing video games on my 40” LCD at the same time, or vise versa. Does anyone have one of these models are maybe last year’s model who could confirm this feature for me?
The second most important point to me is reliability. I have always thought of these three manufacturers as being at the top of that issue. I know that Pioneer and a few others are good too, but these three top my list. Onky had some issues a few years back with some loud clicking or popping while changing sources. Has this been worked out with later models? If so, the Onkyo gets one more step closer to the top.
Number 3 is sound quality. If the extra weight of the Onkyos means more head room or higher current availability, then take another step to the head of the class. Weights of each model are:
Onkyo 40.3 lbs
Denon 26.8 lbs
Yammy 33.3 lbs (I currently have a Yammy RX-V2500 and love it, but I have a hard time thinking that going from a 38 lbs unit to a 33.3 lbs unit is an upgrade)
One of the many features available (that I do care about) is the ability to control two subs with the remote. The Yammy says yes, but I couldn’t find this info on the other 2 (or maybe I just missed it). Anyone know?

Who can help me with my questions?
1) Why does the Onkyo weigh more?
2) Has Onkyo worked out their clicking issue?
3) Can the Onkyo also control the 2 subs by remote? (can you tell which way I’m leaning?)

 

[3db]

Is it because they have beefier amps and power supplies? If so, this is important info.
I am looking to pick up a new receiver in the $1k range. The three in the front running are as follows:
The Onkyo TX-NR809 for $1099 found here http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-NR809&class=Receiver&p=i

The Yamaha RX-A1010 for $1099.95 found here http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a1010_black_u/?mode=model

And the Denon AVR-3312CI for $1099.99 found here http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=3d9614d1-8000-4106-ab91-8192242cab83&SubId=40b5820d-83c2-4e93-9909-60aae60e0bdd&ProductId=333b93c6-1dd0-4176-a06c-d2224674832a

They all have a ton of new features that I mostly don’t give a rats ars about. But they do have what I am looking for the most. I want to have at least 5+ HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs with 3D capability. I want to be able to watch sports on my projector screen while playing video games on my 40” LCD at the same time, or vise versa. Does anyone have one of these models are maybe last year’s model who could confirm this feature for me?
The second most important point to me is reliability. I have always thought of these three manufacturers as being at the top of that issue. I know that Pioneer and a few others are good too, but these three top my list. Onky had some issues a few years back with some loud clicking or popping while changing sources. Has this been worked out with later models? If so, the Onkyo gets one more step closer to the top.
Number 3 is sound quality. If the extra weight of the Onkyos means more head room or higher current availability, then take another step to the head of the class. Weights of each model are:
Onkyo 40.3 lbs
Denon 26.8 lbs
Yammy 33.3 lbs (I currently have a Yammy RX-V2500 and love it, but I have a hard time thinking that going from a 38 lbs unit to a 33.3 lbs unit is an upgrade)
One of the many features available (that I do care about) is the ability to control two subs with the remote. The Yammy says yes, but I couldn’t find this info on the other 2 (or maybe I just missed it). Anyone know?

Who can help me with my questions?
1) Why does the Onkyo weigh more?
2) Has Onkyo worked out their clicking issue?
3) Can the Onkyo also control the 2 subs by remote? (can you tell which way I’m leaning?)

In terms of reliability, nothing comes close to beating the Yamaha. Also 5 lbs is easily saved through better thermal designs, lighter guage chassis, etc. I wouldn't let that put you off.

 

[highfigh]

Is it because they have beefier amps and power supplies? If so, this is important info.
I am looking to pick up a new receiver in the $1k range. The three in the front running are as follows:
The Onkyo TX-NR809 for $1099 found here http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-NR809&class=Receiver&p=i

The Yamaha RX-A1010 for $1099.95 found here http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a1010_black_u/?mode=model

And the Denon AVR-3312CI for $1099.99 found here http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=3d9614d1-8000-4106-ab91-8192242cab83&SubId=40b5820d-83c2-4e93-9909-60aae60e0bdd&ProductId=333b93c6-1dd0-4176-a06c-d2224674832a

They all have a ton of new features that I mostly don’t give a rats ars about. But they do have what I am looking for the most. I want to have at least 5+ HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs with 3D capability. I want to be able to watch sports on my projector screen while playing video games on my 40” LCD at the same time, or vise versa. Does anyone have one of these models are maybe last year’s model who could confirm this feature for me?
The second most important point to me is reliability. I have always thought of these three manufacturers as being at the top of that issue. I know that Pioneer and a few others are good too, but these three top my list. Onky had some issues a few years back with some loud clicking or popping while changing sources. Has this been worked out with later models? If so, the Onkyo gets one more step closer to the top.
Number 3 is sound quality. If the extra weight of the Onkyos means more head room or higher current availability, then take another step to the head of the class. Weights of each model are:
Onkyo 40.3 lbs
Denon 26.8 lbs
Yammy 33.3 lbs (I currently have a Yammy RX-V2500 and love it, but I have a hard time thinking that going from a 38 lbs unit to a 33.3 lbs unit is an upgrade)
One of the many features available (that I do care about) is the ability to control two subs with the remote. The Yammy says yes, but I couldn’t find this info on the other 2 (or maybe I just missed it). Anyone know?

Who can help me with my questions?
1) Why does the Onkyo weigh more?
2) Has Onkyo worked out their clicking issue?
3) Can the Onkyo also control the 2 subs by remote? (can you tell which way I’m leaning?)

The transformer is the single heaviest part of a receiver but that doesn't mean it has to weigh a lot. Whether it sounds good, does what you want and does it well, meets your budget, is reliable and isn't like operating Mission Control are more important than weight, IMO.

 

[gmichael]

In terms of reliability, nothing comes close to beating the Yamaha. Also 5 lbs is easily saved through better thermal designs, lighter guage chassis, etc. I wouldn't let that put you off.

Maybe I'll just pick up the one I can get the best deal on.

 

[timoteo]

+1 Yammy!!!

 

[templemaners]

Side note - why not look for a Yamaha RX-A1000 instead and save a little coin? Is there any features on the A1010 that are better? I'm on Newegg right now and they have the A1000 model for $779 and a $150 promo code (that unfortunately expires 8/3) AND free shipping. Sounds like a deal to me .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882115275

 

[gmichael]

Side note - why not look for a Yamaha RX-A1000 instead and save a little coin? Is there any features on the A1010 that are better? I'm on Newegg right now and they have the A1000 model for $779 and a $150 promo code (that unfortunately expires 8/3) AND free shipping. Sounds like a deal to me .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882115275

I did see that deal. After some research I decided that it wasn't for me. It wasn't any one feature that got me to shoot it down, but the 105wpc stands out in my memory. I just can't upgrade to a receiver that has 25watts less than the one I have. I'm sure it would be fine, but I just can't do it. I think there was a lack of a learning remote too. Don't recall right now. I've cut my list to the following models and will jump on the first one that I find a great deal on.
RX-A1010
RX-A2000
RX-A2010
RX-A3000
RX-A3010

The Onkyo's and Denon's seem to be having a few QC issues that I'd like to see worked out before I invest in them. I've had great luck with Yamaha so far.

 

[gmichael]

I think my dreams have come true! The Rx-A3000 is on sale for $600 off. No freight. No Tax. And from an authorized dealer.
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3181802

 

[jonnythan]

I think my dreams have come true! The Rx-A3000 is on sale for $600 off. No freight. No Tax. And from an authorized dealer.
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3181802

I thought you said "for $600" and almost had to change my shorts.

 

[gmichael]

I thought you said "for $600" and almost had to change my shorts.

That would be insane. We'd have to bring back Crazy Eddie for that one.
Still, the $1200 price almost had me crap myself.

 

[3db]

That would be insane. We'd have to bring back Crazy Eddie for that one.
Still, the $1200 price almost had me crap myself.

What are you wasting your time on here posting? Buy the dam thing already!!

 

[PENG]

I did see that deal. After some research I decided that it wasn't for me. It wasn't any one feature that got me to shoot it down, but the 105wpc stands out in my memory. I just can't upgrade to a receiver that has 25watts less than the one I have. I'm sure it would be fine, but I just can't do it. I think there was a lack of a learning remote too. Don't recall right now. I've cut my list to the following models and will jump on the first one that I find a great deal on.
RX-A1010
RX-A2000
RX-A2010
RX-A3000
RX-A3010

The Onkyo's and Denon's seem to be having a few QC issues that I'd like to see worked out before I invest in them. I've had great luck with Yamaha so far.

I trust Audyssey more so I have to recommend the 4311 that is not on your list. Too bad about the Onkyo thing.........., otherwise it would have been a no brainer for you.

Since you have chosen Yamaha, I would say go for the 2010, or the 3010 if you can find a deal that would let you pay just $100 more (just drink less for a month in that case) than the 3000. That would have been my choice over the Denon if it had the Audyssey instead of YPAO.

Lastly, as long as they weigh over 35 lbs I would not worry about a few pounds difference. Transformers are heavy, but with today's technologies there are ways to reduce weight without sacrificing quality. Some manufacturers, such as Marantz, has been using plastic where they could instead of metal and that drops the dead weight too while maintaining sound quality.

 

[gmichael]

What are you wasting your time on here posting? Buy the dam thing already!!

I did that before I posted.

 

[gmichael]

I trust Audyssey more so I have to recommend the 4311 that is not on your list. Too bad about the Onkyo thing.........., otherwise it would have been a no brainer for you.

Since you have chosen Yamaha, I would say go for the 2010, or the 3010 if you can find a deal that would let you pay just $100 more (just drink less for a month in that case) than the 3000. That would have been my choice over the Denon if it had the Audyssey instead of YPAO.

Lastly, as long as they weigh over 35 lbs I would not worry about a few pounds difference. Transformers are heavy, but with today's technologies there are ways to reduce weight without sacrificing quality. Some manufacturers, such as Marantz, has been using plastic where they could instead of metal and that drops the dead weight too while maintaining sound quality.

The Denons and Onkyos were both very high on my list. But after a lot of research, I ran into a lot of complaints. I'm sure that most buyers are very happy with their units, but with my luck, I had to cut my chances of getting a bad unit as much as possible. I've had a couple of other Yamahas for years and they still work great. I'll not press my luck.

The 3010 would be great, but I doubt that I'd find a deal for $700 under MSRP any time soon on one. The 3000 does everything I need at a better price. Without this deal, even the 2010 would stretch my budget.

 

[ichigo]

Onkyos do weigh more, but the funny thing is the protection circuit hits about the same time as most comparable receivers, so it's debatable if you even end up getting any more power in practice.