Why do people hate Bose?

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bgatty68

Audiophyte
hi guys I just joined the site so I hope I can pick the brains of the experts. I am after a sound bar with separate sub woofer and saw the Bose Cinemate 120 in my local Bose store (£745 refurbished) and was blown away by the sound and it was just in the middle of the store and not in a seperate sound room so felt I got a realistic sound of what the bar could do. So I came home and searched reviews and came across a view sites including this one where there was so many "haters" of Bose, can someone tell me why they are hated so much and are their products that bad? As I have a Bose docking station and it's got great sound but if someone can recommend another soundbar and subwoofer in range £750 I'm all ears
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
It's specifically the Acoustimass system and the aggressive sales tactics that's ill-reputed around these parts. Some of their stuff is pretty good.

I'm sure there's something impressive and British you could audition as well. KEF? Tannoy? I think for 750 gbp you could get a BK Electronics sub and a 2.0 or 3.0 sound bar, or definitely a pair of nice sounding KEF bookshelf speakers and maybe an AVR.

Sent from my LG-VS980 using Forum Fiend OSP v1.3.3.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
"We" don't. "We" just feel that they are overpriced for the performance they deliver.

If you like 'em and can justify the price, then mazel tov. Enjoy them.
 
tyhjaarpa

tyhjaarpa

Audioholic Field Marshall
Usually you can find much better performing setups compared to bose with same price. I myself would rather to put up good 2.1 setup instead of sub + soundbar. Is there any reason you must get a soundbar?
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I also have the impression that some forum people seem to hate them like they hate Sony, but I agree with Mark, they are just overpriced.
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
I don't hate Bose. I had a Bose soundbar in my bedroom and it sounded real good. There were a couple attributes I didn't like, like the tiny remote that was the only way to control it, no auto-on and no indication of volume level. Plus it died after about a year. But it sounded real good. Replaced it w/ a Denon for less than half the price, none of the attributes I didn't like about the Bose, but it doesn't sound quite as good.

My mother has a Bose radio and absolutely loves it.

But for HT, lots of better choices for the money.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Bose speakers rarely, if ever, reviewed with objective measurements.
Their speakers are made with cheap drivers and cabinets are vinyl covered, they're expensive for what you get.
Their Wave radio sounds good, however it's expensive.
Cambridge SoundWorks used to make a table radio that sounded as good, yet half the price. I have two of them; unfortunately I don't think the radio is made anymore.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
to sum up what others have been saying.. over priced for the performance Bose systems delivers, an aggressive marketing campaign, and finally no specs to stand behind their products,

A friend of mine has the Wave radio and it grabs your attention really quick. However, after a while, I realized that I was listening to boom and sizzle with recessed midrange.
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
A friend of mine has the Wave radio and it grabs your attention really quick. However, after a while, I realized that I was listening to boom and sizzle with recessed midrange.
I agree with this. People say, "The Wave radio is great, so Bose is good!" I too have a Wave, and I've been super happy with it, BUT I look at it for what it is...a fancy clock whose proper place is to remain on the night stand. Fantastic for that purpose. Awful for any sort of critical listening. Like you said, "boom and sizzle." Terrible midrange. Which again, I'm totally fine with for a clock radio. It is NOT a replacement for a decent stereo like so many people seem to think it is.

I've had Bose 301s, a couple of the Waves, and some other asst Bose products over time. I like their little bluetooth speakers, but that's about it these days. All of their other products are ABSURDLY overpriced. Many people like the "Bose sound," which follows a certain EQ. I USED to like it too...until I learned what proper midrange was, and then proper low and high frequencies...all of which most Bose products measure absolutely terribly for.

Take a look at your budget, and we can show you superior options for the price. But ultimately in the end, if you're happy with it (even if it's Bose), then go for it. It's your money. Most of us here are always seeking the most bang for our buck, though.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
"The Triumph of Marketing over Performance."

The more you know about Bose, the less you like the company itself. The products are not terrible, but they are overpriced and over-marketed. Bose's annual sales $$$ dwarfs those of virtually every audio company.

First of all, saying anything negative about Bose invites a lawsuit. The have sued reviewers (not just the magazine, but the reviewer personally) when a less-than-stellar review is published, thus no negative reviews.
Dr Bose, who was a professor at MIT, implies that his academic credentials somehow result in advanced design and performance.

The truth is his first famous product, the Bose 901 speaker system, was purchased from another company, marketed to death, supported by the odd lawsuit, and is not particularly good in the first place. It took two revisions to make it reasonably good sounding (901 Series III and up), and that was done by active electronic equalization, not driver or cabinet quality.

If you've ever seen a 901 replacement driver, you would still be laughing (I once owned a HiFi store, we serviced our products, and we were, for a few years, a Bose dealer. We liked the Bose 301, a $300/pair speaker that sounded not bad; we sold a lot of them to radio stations and recording studios. Why? Keep reading. We actually never sold any other models, although we did have demo stock in the showroom).

4 inch speaker, injection moulded plastic frame construction, paper cone. They even moulded it with just three mounting holes, to save money on fasteners.

The equalizer was a simple low cost device with generic parts; you see similar circuits and build quality in modern car audio gear.

I would estimate the 18 drivers in a pair of 901 Series III's to cost about $150 retail (@ Parts Express prices). That's for all 18. That in a product that sold for $1800 retail.

I've done a take-apart on the Bose Wave CD-Radios, I can tell you nothing has changed.

It offends me when I know of so many sincere audio manufacturers who build products with high value components at very reasonable retail prices.

Bose products are built to be inoffensive. They study human reaction to sound and then engineer the sound to appeal to ordinary consumers. Since forever, recording studios have used table-radio-quality speakers, along with the high definition monitors, to make sure the record sounds good on the radio. Examples:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may14/articles/spotlight-0514.htm

Bose speakers have the same response. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not HiFi. It's what you hear in the elevator or at the Mall, or by the bedside at 6AM so you can get to work on time.

There is plenty more to say, I'll just stop at one more: they were contracted by the US Navy to provide noise-cancelling headphones for pilots.

The product they delivered was so poor the Navy sued them for non-compliance of the contract, the first and only time the military has resorted to the courts for a procurement.

Bose re-engineered the product to (barely) meet the spec and avoid huge penalties.

But they also released the product that your tax dollars paid for (Cost-Plus contracts are the norm for military procurement. That means Bose's cost to develop the product, manufacture the product, plus a guaranteed 25% profit allowance). Ever heard that headphone? Sure you have. That was the original Bose noise-cancelling retail headphone.

Is this the kind of company you want to enrich?

I hope you understand that I don't "hate" Bose. I don't respect them as a company, but their products have a place, it's just not "at my place" in my primary sound system.
 
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1dwn5up

Enthusiast
I was about to purchase a Bose system, but I kept researching and researching. Now not so much.
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
Wow, something meaningful in a troll thread. I guess it wasn't a complete waste. :)
While it might seem like a trolling effort (and it might very well be), I have enough customers who are genuinely interested in Bose (or have Bose stuff already) for me to believe that OP may have been sincere in his question.

Seriously. You'd be shocked at how many people have been duped by their marketing. The worse thing is how customers didn't mind dropping thousands on a Bose system, but then aren't so sure about spending considerably less on a vastly superior system simply because they haven't heard of the brand. It's amazing how far brand recognition goes with shoppers. I'm trying to change that, but it's definitely an uphill battle.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
It's just befuddling to me that someone would come here to ask the question.
 

John Ross

Audiophyte
I was checking this forum out after signing up as a member today and came across this thread. I can provide a bit of prospective on this subject from my own experience.

I own a Bose Acoustimass Series II speaker system I purchased in 2000. It was my first and only attempt at building a home theater and it was ok. The sound during movies was decent but it was horrible listening to music on them. They lack the range especially mid-range of normal bookshelf or floor-standing speakers. For the price I paid $699, they should do a much better job. There just isn't much you can do with a little cube speaker though. I know this now but I wish I had known this back in 2000 when they were purchased. I used them for about a year and then boxed them up and stored them in the basement. They haven't left that box for the past 14 years until about a week ago. I was testing out a Sony AV receiver I had from 2000 also to see if it still worked and I hooked up the sub along with just the left and right speakers. I popped in the first CD I bought back in the mid 80's (Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon") for old times and realized exactly why they have been packed away for the past 14 years or so. Maybe I will sell them at a yard sale or eBay in the future.
 
KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
My younger (of 2) son actually works for Bose, and if you were to call for tech support on wireless products you might find yourself speaking with him. He says that the bulk of the calls he gets are from average folk who just wanted a simple sound device that sounds reasonably good (compared to a transistor radio?) and are happy with it.

Ask yourself honestly how many people in your circle of family and friends would understand where most here are in terms of systems, components, and actual quality of sound. Few, very few. It's just not something the masses put value on. Sure, many take more interest once they've tasted the sauce of good sound, but everything is relative to your own values and ears. If everyone had the same critical ear, there would be a huge market for $20,000 & up speakers. There isn't, and so Bose provides what many want and are happy to have.

My son has a fair number of their powered wireless speakers and uses them when he's working outside or otherwise not near his set of HK receiver, a Sony sub and KEF Q300 speakers. He'll upgrade those as time goes by and he gets his new-to-him house renovated, and I doubt Bose products will play a role in the "output."
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
how many people in your circle of family and friends would understand where most here are in terms of systems, components, and actual quality of sound.
Agreed. And we have also agreed to this in various Bose threads. As a business, Bose has done an excellent job identifying their market and targeting them with their ads and products. My 89yr old mother LOVES her WaveRadio, and so do her friends in the old folks community.

None of them have the desire, or sometimes the capacity to learn about audio. Simply touching the unit to turn it on & off is highly regarded, the sound can be heard w/ old and often aided ears, and is quite pleasant. (This is not a slam. It's actually pleasant to me too, compared to her other radios.)

However, the point is often repeated here that anyone with the ability and desire to learn even a little about audio, can do better for the money, especially in the home theater space.
 
Pacodutaco

Pacodutaco

Audiophyte
I was captivated by the Bose display at a local Sam's Club and was seriously considering them. Then I decided to shop around a bit more before buying and ended up with a set of Polk which have much better sound IMO. Bose targets the novice ears who are looking for relief from the tiny speakers in their TV sets. Anything sounds better than that. Smart move on Bose' part for sure.
 
wingnut

wingnut

Audiophyte
I think Bose caters to people who want good sound with small footprint and is extremely simple and convenient. Their marketing strategy was on-point with that "direct-reflecting" technology though that concept never really worked. I am extremely neutral and I have defended my old Bose 401s for years/decades and will continue to do so. Unfortunately I cannot defend my old 601s or their acoustimass products as their sub-par performance certainly does not warrant the hefty price tag. Those who take their sound more seriously where simplicity/convenience take a back seat to overall sound quality will no doubt spend similar money on different name brands.
 

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