.....some of you don't think 50 cycles is low....hey, get your system to a moderate-level sometime on music that has good bass, and turn off everything except your sub top-cut at 50....you rarely catch a pitch, and the air just shakes....you guys who think 50 ain't low need to try this....one by one, with the whole system cranking at moderate-plus, disable each of the main's regiment at the back of the receiver by taking loose it's plus wire and bending it down, leaving it hanging....kill the center speaker last, and just listen to the sub dialed in at 50....I dare ya'.....if you know where in the song you are, that will have to be accomplished with DVD picture, I assure you....on music CD, you don't have a key tonality perspectus at all, and not a clue where you are in the song....you'll gain a whole new perspective on whether 50 cycles is low....only every now and then, do you even hear any voice at 50....disable the mains and surrounds first, then the center....what?....it's set to 80 LFE and you don't want to change anything?....try it never touching the remote....leave it at 80....you're still not even close to being able to tell where you are in the song, or what key you're in, past a two or three tone tonality, very faintly........I quit.........