Which ones would be better for me

dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
After looking at everyone else's product and shipping, looks like I may go with Elemantal Designs. Now which is better, ported or sealed?

Am looking at either two A7S-450 or two A5-350's.

Since my room opens up rest of the place; I have 4000 cube feet to fill. I listen to about 90% movie and 10% music.

Input please.
 
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SJTrance

Audioholic
As large as the room is, and due to the fact that you're using it for mostly movies, you're going to need a sub that has more ouput and can dig lower. For those reasons, I would do the ported subwoofer. You can also give elemental designs and ask them. They would give you the best advice without trying to oversell you. You can trust them.
 
dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
Thank you.

You have a great setup by the way.
 
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SJTrance

Audioholic
Thank you.

You have a great setup by the way.
Thanks for the compliment! :D
Let us know how it works out and be sure to consider setting the sub up using a sound level meter. If you're spending the money for such a fine sub, you're going to want to make sure you're getting the most out of it.
 
dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
It's going to be at least Christmas before I buy them as I just bought a new 58" Plasma today. I like to plan ahead though and do as much research as possible.

These will be my main subs to add to the two that I already own; of course I may sell one and move the other one to the bedroom.
 
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Tungsten06GT

Audioholic
After looking at everyone else's product and shipping, looks like I may go with Elemantal Designs. Now which is better, ported or sealed?

Am looking at either two A7S-450 or two A5-350's.

Since my room opens up rest of the place; I have 4000 cube feet to fill. I listen to about 90% movie and 10% music.

Input please.
Either choice will more than please you I'm sure. I spent a lot of time thinking about which eD sub to get, and originally started with the A3-300, but then bumped up the a7s-650 DiY kit. And the difference is unbelievable. But, the big thing I noticed in terms of sound quality was how much tighter and deeper the sealed subs went. The thing with the ported subs is that below their tuning frequency the output will drop off drastically, but sealed subs tend to have a smoother roll-off. Personally, after having a ported, I would go dual a7s-450's. Plus, 18's are just BA! :cool:
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
But, the big thing I noticed in terms of sound quality was how much tighter and deeper the sealed subs went. The thing with the ported subs is that below their tuning frequency the output will drop off drastically, but sealed subs tend to have a smoother roll-off.
That's true, however you're forgetting to consider that any kind of rolloff in audible frequencies is generally undesirable.

That's why you go with a ported sub that can be tuned around 14-16hz and is big enough to accomodate a port that won't chuff at that tuning frequency(350-600L of enclosure volume or so with an 8 or 10 inch port tuned low). It'll give you virtually flat anechoic frequency response up to around an octave above the tuning frequency, then a very, very shallow rolloff to the tuning frequency after that, and anything below the tuning frequency is likely so low that the steep rolloff is inconsequential. And you'd get way better efficiency, meaning it will be able to go louder than a sealed sub, as well as requiring less EQ (only EQ we're talking about is for in-room nodes, not for the sub's actual frequency response).

For example, here's a modeled SPL response for a certain driver in a couple different enclosures (1000w of power, 3 m away) (yes, i do realize all drivers do model differently but this driver is fairly versatile)



Green is 490l box with a port tuned to 14 hz and a 7hz HPF (actually likely unessessary anyways because of how little content there is down there... I really doubt i'll ever be sending a 9 hz /1000w signal to my sub, it's safe to say)

Purple is 490l box with two 18" PR tuned to 14hz and a 12hz HPF - this will be physically smaller than the green box because there's no internal port volume to consider.

Red is 490l sealed enclosure

Pink is 130l sealed enclosure

Blue is 130l box with a port tuned to a more commercially typical 25 hz with a HPF thrown in at 10hz.

So yes, for smaller boxes, sealed works smoother, as you can see, the pink line has a smoother rolloff than the blue line, which will make notes in the "musical" subwoofer range of 25-80hz or so range sound a bit better. Of course, that as you can see, the ported sub is "louder" everywhere within that range, so an EQ to make it quieter would actually mean you're using less power to get the same sort of sound as the sealed sub. The only other argument someone might have after that would be that their sealed sub has more so-called punch because relative to lower frequencies, it's got more volume in the "punch" frequencies, whereas the ported may be "too loud" and someone may find themselves turning the volume down and taking away the "punch". That, though, is coloration, and the green line seems to have the least coloration out of any sub, followed closely by the purple line which i may not have modeled properly because it's a PR build.

But if WAF or roomspace isn't an issue (or you can work around those things), then a large ported box has the least of the audible rolloff you speak of. Anything below 18-20hz is inaudible; it's tactile anyways, so a steep rolloff starting at 15hz ain't a bad thing, especially when you consider how room gain will come into play at these sort of frequencies. Be honest, that green line is the most impressive out of the five, isn't it?.

Now anyways back to OP who's looking at 2x eD A5-350 and 2x eD A7s-450.. Even ignoring all that i've said above, as I'm sure both are really good subs, I don'y think you could go wrong with either, but that said, I think I'd ultimately take an 18" driver with 1300w RMS amp over a 15 with a 500w amp... Worst comes to worse, just take a router to it and make your own port and you'll have the best of both worlds (er... maybe... I'd model it first lol)

You can't deny the difference in raw displacement, and considering you're grabbing two, I bet you'd be getting quality sound down to 15-16hz even with a sealed.
 
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dapack69

dapack69

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Now anyways back to OP who's looking at 2x eD A5-350 and 2x eD A7s-450.. Even ignoring all that i've said above, as I'm sure both are really good subs, I don'y think you could go wrong with either, but that said, I think I'd ultimately take an 18" driver with 1300w RMS amp over a 15 with a 500w amp... Worst comes to worse, just take a router to it and make your own port and you'll have the best of both worlds (er... maybe... I'd model it first lol)

You can't deny the difference in raw displacement, and considering you're grabbing two, I bet you'd be getting quality sound down to 15-16hz even with a sealed.
Thank you for such a great detailed diagram and explaination on everything.
 
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