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bigvag

Audioholic Intern
I'm in the market to get a pair of bookself speakers, looking to build a5.1 set up. So far I've heard the b&w cm5's, revel m12(sounded great looked cheap),paradigm studio 20 v.5, and energy. I don't have a dealer around here for the psb line of speakers. I was looking into the psb imagine bookselfs, any first hand experiance with these, how do they compair to the b&w cm5's. So far the b&w are in the lead, then the paradigms.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I'm in the market to get a pair of bookself speakers, looking to build a5.1 set up. So far I've heard the b&w cm5's, revel m12(sounded great looked cheap),paradigm studio 20 v.5, and energy. I don't have a dealer around here for the psb line of speakers. I was looking into the psb imagine bookselfs, any first hand experiance with these, how do they compair to the b&w cm5's. So far the b&w are in the lead, then the paradigms.
Did you give the 705 series a listen from B&W. They were impressive to say the least.

I wouldn't buy something you can't demo.
 
ozmedia

ozmedia

Audioholic
Audioholics reviews on 705

Comments include:
"Disappointing...The 705s sounded very nice at moderate levels, barring the slightly bright character. As I cranked it up though, to levels I would normally listen at, the midrange started to sound terrible. It sounded like everything got mushed together."

"Boring into your skull"

"Overly bright"

A grrat dela if yuo can still find them, as they use teh same woofer materials and have that warm midrange of the B&W is RBH TK-5C's, barring your ability to find a pair, Audioholics online store offers the EMP version (also made by RBH) for $320.00/pr EF-30's

Even the EMP ECA-4 (also availale online here)compact home theatre system will outperform 705's with ease, and at a lower price.

I know some will say I always boast about RBH products but they have stood the test of time. Being a former OEM builder, making some of the most renowned models for other famed "manufacturers" (JBL, Fosgate, McIntosh)for years, since they started offering their own products 30 years ago, they have been deemed the best value for money across the board by countless professional reviewers.

I have A-B'd RBH products with almost every other product I can find in a dealer's showroom and always come out a winner, and always at a lower cost.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Comments include:
"Disappointing...The 705s sounded very nice at moderate levels, barring the slightly bright character. As I cranked it up though, to levels I would normally listen at, the midrange started to sound terrible. It sounded like everything got mushed together."

"Boring into your skull"

"Overly bright"

A grrat dela if yuo can still find them, as they use teh same woofer materials and have that warm midrange of the B&W is RBH TK-5C's, barring your ability to find a pair, Audioholics online store offers the EMP version (also made by RBH) for $320.00/pr EF-30's

Even the EMP ECA-4 (also availale online here)compact home theatre system will outperform 705's with ease, and at a lower price.

I know some will say I always boast about RBH products but they have stood the test of time. Being a former OEM builder, making some of the most renowned models for other famed "manufacturers" (JBL, Fosgate, McIntosh)for years, since they started offering their own products 30 years ago, they have been deemed the best value for money across the board by countless professional reviewers.

I have A-B'd RBH products with almost every other product I can find in a dealer's showroom and always come out a winner, and always at a lower cost.
I'd disagree. I found them to be very accurate with low resonance, I'm not the only one either.

Put primary effort into acquisition of the most neutral speakers you can afford in the budget. People like to often tell you to go listen, but this has no gain as compared to my suggestion, when the speakers in question are standard monpolar radiation pattern with other standard features, and credible 3rd party analysis can verify measured performance of sufficient data points. In fact, following my method, you can end up with something that better fits your preference, since you get to have direct control over this variable. The primary thing differing between most speakers is the frequency response. Usually, you are merely picking speakers based on this primary aspect. There are other, extremely important considerations, but not many speakers actually have substantial advantages over one another in these areas. Two such very important, but rarely exploited areas of meaningful improvement are: (1) low resonance cabinets (2) off axis response closely resembling off axis response.

The best speakers of which I am aware, overall, for a budget oriented system, are the Ascend Seirra 1 and B&W 705, with the 705 having superior over-all linearity. Both have somewhat lower resonance cabinets than most other speakers in their class. The 705 would be the ideal here, but it does cost 2x more than the Sierra, which compromises somewhat in overall linearity. But both are linear enough to be used successfully when paired with a loudspeaker management system. If further savings are needed, one can inject a little elbow grease, and purchase a speaker with superb linearity such as the Ascend CBM-170(on par with the B&W 705 in this regard) that sells for a very low price($350/pair). The problem here is the cabinet is highly resonant, just like most speaker systems. Cabinet resonance causes a coloration on all sounds played through the speaker - thus is a form of distortion. You can, if you are up to some work, you can modify the internals of such a speaker as the CBM-170, and end up with a highly linear speaker with very low resonance cabinet for very low cost. I can elaborate if requested to do so.

A high precision loudspeaker management system allows for one to control with high precision, the frequency response(one of the main differentiators among common speakers), using various filter functions. The management system also allows for custom, variable crossover types/rates/points in order to ideally integrate sub woofers seamlessly, but ideally, you need to use stereo subwoofers as opposed to mono, due to the ideal 1/2 wavelength or closer distance related to crossover frequency, required for optimal integration of two sound sources. The Behringer DCX2496 is the lowest priced management system suitable for hi-fidelity purposes(no noise, distortion or other artifacts when used properly).

In order to use a loudspeaker management system as suggested above, you need to have a way to insert it between the pre-amp and amplifier stages. Most recievers have no such facility. However, you can use many recievers as fine qualty pre-amps and feed outboard amplifiers, inserting the management system between these two points. You can also opt to purchase seperate surround pre-amp/selector unit such as Emotiva offers. However, many recievers have fine quality pre-amp sections, and offer superior HDMI abilities(conversion between video connections, upscaling, etc.).

-Chris
This a post Chris Made in April of 2008. He's one of our experts on speaker designs.

Other good info is in there so i'll leave it for your pleasure.
 
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just listening

Audioholic
You've looked at some fine speakers. Since you're going to have a sub, I can't recommend the ACI Emerald XL's enough. They are scary good for the money. i hope to redo my home office with them by year's end.
 
ozmedia

ozmedia

Audioholic
I honestly don't get yuo

I'd disagree. I found them to be very accurate with low resonance, I'm not the only one either.



This a post Chris Made in April of 2008. He's one of our experts on speaker designs.

Other good info is in there so i'll leave it for your pleasure.

Who cares? You offered an opinion, I simply quoted other people's opinions from listener reviews and then offered my own recommendation for a good quality and very high value for money, speaker, it's not a debate, or at least I didn't think so.

I too find B&W's to often be overly bright, using the warm sounding fibreglass midrange had them offer a really tweaky tweeter, in my most humble and far lesser experienced opnion of course.

Don't worry I'll still bow to you gracefully in front of others. :D

I have recently been PM'd by a few others who suggest you like to instill your opinion as gospel though, I can accept that most people display some level of narcissism but you need to realize that people have varying tastes, you put in your two cents, as did I. End of story.

You seem to be missing the point of the excercise though, gathering opinions, not seeking the one that is correct.

Relax, buddy, someone will thank you again and see you as their god, very soon. :cool:
 
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bigvag

Audioholic Intern
You've looked at some fine speakers. Since you're going to have a sub, I can't recommend the ACI Emerald XL's enough. They are scary good for the money. i hope to redo my home office with them by year's end.
I checked them out, I couldn't find a matching center channel for them.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I'm in the market to get a pair of bookself speakers, looking to build a5.1 set up. So far I've heard the b&w cm5's, revel m12(sounded great looked cheap),paradigm studio 20 v.5, and energy. I don't have a dealer around here for the psb line of speakers. I was looking into the psb imagine bookselfs, any first hand experiance with these, how do they compair to the b&w cm5's. So far the b&w are in the lead, then the paradigms.
The new Imagine line have garnered some rave reviews out in the audio circles. Like everythign else that PSB puts out, its been studied, tweeked, thrown into the NRC anoechic chambers for testing, tweeked some more etc. But all of this doesn't matter squat unless you hear them for yourself. Speakers are the most subjective purchase in the audio chain and it really is up to the purchaser which sounds best to them. A rigid cabinet like that found in B&W won't necessarily it the best sounding speaker either. It really does depend on your ears. :)
 
john72953

john72953

Full Audioholic
The new Imagine line have garnered some rave reviews out in the audio circles. Like everythign else that PSB puts out, its been studied, tweeked, thrown into the NRC anoechic chambers for testing, tweeked some more etc. But all of this doesn't matter squat unless you hear them for yourself. Speakers are the most subjective purchase in the audio chain and it really is up to the purchaser which sounds best to them. A rigid cabinet like that found in B&W won't necessarily it the best sounding speaker either. It really does depend on your ears. :)
I agree with this post 100%. We all have different preferences for the way we enjoy sound. My Totems are considered to have a slight coloration to them, but that's perfectly fine with me as I enjoy that type of sound. Does not mean they are better or worse. It's just a preference.

John
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
I checked them out, I couldn't find a matching center channel for them.
You just order a single speaker for the center. I've heard a 5.1 setup of the Emerald XL's and I can tell you the center channel was strong and clear.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
You got some speakers to try out let me know if you need help finding dealers.

Also you might check out Aperion and The Speaker Company they have both ways shipping free trials.
 
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jfondell

Audiophyte
Look at Kef's as well. They have some very nice speakers in the XQ series.
 

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