Where to Process

[davidmore]

Hi All,

The advent of my Yamaha 2600 and Marantz DV-9600 are giving me a pain!

My problem - how to control where video processing is done for best effect.

e.g. If I set the Marantz DVD to give me 480i and make the Yamaha essentially passthrough - the Panasonic AE-900 does a great job of everything except the video resolution. - get some loss in the tiny square of the HQV benchmark - but the jaggies tests and film detail are superb.

Go to 1080i from the Marantz..Yammie doing no processing again and the Jaggies tests are way way worse - but the resolution colour test is awesomely perfect.

What are people's views about what is best is the real world.

ps Put the Yamaha's video processing on as well and both the Jaggies and the film detail go to hell in a handbasket.

Put the DVD to give me 720p - the jaggies are just pass - the film detail never locks...baah.

Are you confused.. I sure am.

Help

David

 

[mulester7]

.....that is what I'm also trying to understand, David, and in no way am I trying to downgrade anything....Video Experts, how does passing the video through a receiver improve the image quality, contrast, or possibly even color saturation?, and yes, I guess I'm mainly talking image quality....I personally shoot the video side straight from my upconverting DVD player to my TV, and what I get on the tube is very good/great to me....I personally choose not to pay the staggering rates for any form of Hi-Def cable, and am plenty content with what is supplied from basic cable....but, could something happen from running basic cable through a receiver to bring a better picture?....and if running basic cable through a receiver would improve the image quality through some kind of upconversion, would there be a seperates component that would achieve the same improvement in the image quality that would get me out much cheaper than a receiver purchase?.....

 

[Sheep]

Actually, it doesn't. Only when its a none HD video, an up converting receiver would help it out.

Thats the only case.

SheepStar

 

[mulester7]

Actually, it doesn't. Only when its a none HD video, an up converting receiver would help it out.

Thats the only case.

SheepStar

.....so if a DVD player doesn't upconvert, the receiver will upconvert and help the cause, correct?....Sheep, what about a VCR tape?, specifically I'm asking about S-VHS.....

 

[Sheep]

.....so if a DVD player doesn't up convert, the receiver will up convert and help the cause, correct?....Sheep, what about a VCR tape?, specifically I'm asking about S-VHS.....

I believe any Up converting Receiver can up convert ANY source, as long as its analog.

SheepStar

 

[mulester7]

I believe any Up converting Receiver can up convert ANY source, as long as its analog.

SheepStar

....I see, and thanks, SheepStar....I wish this thread would receive tons of comments....anything that improves the quality of video or audio should be discussed to the fullest, IMO.....

 

[Pyrrho]

Hi All,

The advent of my Yamaha 2600 and Marantz DV-9600 are giving me a pain!

My problem - how to control where video processing is done for best effect.

e.g. If I set the Marantz DVD to give me 480i and make the Yamaha essentially passthrough - the Panasonic AE-900 does a great job of everything except the video resolution. - get some loss in the tiny square of the HQV benchmark - but the jaggies tests and film detail are superb.

Go to 1080i from the Marantz..Yammie doing no processing again and the Jaggies tests are way way worse - but the resolution colour test is awesomely perfect.

What are people's views about what is best is the real world.

ps Put the Yamaha's video processing on as well and both the Jaggies and the film detail go to hell in a handbasket.

Put the DVD to give me 720p - the jaggies are just pass - the film detail never locks...baah.

Are you confused.. I sure am.

Help

David

What you have is a situation that involves compromise. As the extent of the problems cannot be seen by us, you must judge it for yourself. What I suggest you do is play various types of scenes from DVDs with each processing method, and see which defects bother you most (just because something is noticed with test patterns, that does not mean that it must be visible with typical viewing material). Then select the other one for viewing your DVDs. From what you have stated, I would guess that you are better off outputting 480i from your Marantz, using the Yamaha as a passthrough, and letting the Panasonic do the work. That is but a guess, however, and I would try my suggestion above.

(This, by the way, shows the folly of many who insist that they must have progressive scan/upconversion in their DVD player, as it must be done very well [better than in their TV] for it to be a desirable feature; very probably, many people are using progressive scan/upconversion in their DVD players when they would get a better picture if they would output straight 480i and let their TV do any upconverting.)

If you are an absolute perfectionist, the only solution I can see for you is to either buy an extra video processor that does a better job than both the Marantz and Panasonic, or replace your DVD player (or TV, but probably replacing the DVD player would be better) with one that does a better job of upconverting. I suspect, however, that if you try my original suggestion, you will achieve good results which are likely to be quite satisfactory, provided you are not bound and determined to let any slight imperfection destroy your pleasure in your equipment. If you are determined to be dissatisfied, you may find that upgrading is likely to also prove unsatisfactory, too.

 

[agarwalro]

What you have is a situation that involves compromise. As the extent of the problems cannot be seen by us, you must judge it for yourself. What I suggest you do is play various types of scenes from DVDs with each processing method, and see which defects bother you most (just because something is noticed with test patterns, that does not mean that it must be visible with typical viewing material).

I second this suggestion.

 

[davidmore]

What you have is a situation that involves compromise. As the extent of the problems cannot be seen by us, you must judge it for yourself. What I suggest you do is play various types of scenes from DVDs with each processing method, and see which defects bother you most (just because something is noticed with test patterns, that does not mean that it must be visible with typical viewing material). Then select the other one for viewing your DVDs. From what you have stated, I would guess that you are better off outputting 480i from your Marantz, using the Yamaha as a passthrough, and letting the Panasonic do the work. That is but a guess, however, and I would try my suggestion above.

Hi All - thanks for all the comments. I have settled on sending 1080i from the Marantz - ignore Yamaha - and let projector display. This is the closest to the best clarity and best de-interlacing.

For TV/Cable and an Old DVD I use for playing things like 70's TV - the Yamaha provides excellent upscaling etc and I must say MASH looks the best I have ever seen it by a long way - even on a 100" screen.

Thanks for the input.

David