what to buy?? panasonic or JVC??

[fighter24]

guys im planning to buy a DVD hifi system this christmas...
what is the best in terms of design and the most reliable manufacturer?
and what are other things to consider in buying a dvd compact component system?

actual pics....

JVC DX-T9
12,000PMPO/1000 RMS
7-SPEAKERS
27,990phil.peso or 565.65 US Dollar

OR


PANASONIC SC-VK925D
8,000PMPO/760 RMS
7-SPEAKERS
25,500 Php or 520.41 us dollar

panasonic SC models are the first audio component equipped with aluminum cone on its speaker for clear and clean reception even in full volume....1st ever system equipped with aluminum cone.


tnx!

 

[BMXTRIX]

Oh boy... I see this thread getting some interesting hits.

I would personally ask what you intend to use this for that you are looking for a highly portable system instead of one that you can properly install and might be a LOT more quality for the same amount of cash.

All-in-one systems aren't all lousy, but for the most part, they are junk. You can find much better overally quality for the same price and get a full 7.1 audio setup or at least a halfway decent 5.1 setup for the same money if you are actually just going to set it up in one room and enjoy it.

The things you are posting... Like wattage numbers - are a joke. Complete marketing BS to impress you. It doesn't play out as real world figures that mean you are getting a quality product. So, I would go back to square one and figure out what it is that you really want, then try to get the best product that fits that need.

I find it very hard to believe that this is the result of some decent research.

Instead, perhaps an Onkyo home theater in a box system or a entry level system of separates will be much better for about the same cash.

 

[Nick250]

Oh boy... I see this thread getting some interesting hits.

I would personally ask what you intend to use this for that you are looking for a highly portable system instead of one that you can properly install and might be a LOT more quality for the same amount of cash.

All-in-one systems aren't all lousy, but for the most part, they are junk. You can find much better overally quality for the same price and get a full 7.1 audio setup or at least a halfway decent 5.1 setup for the same money if you are actually just going to set it up in one room and enjoy it.

The things you are posting... Like wattage numbers - are a joke. Complete marketing BS to impress you. It doesn't play out as real world figures that mean you are getting a quality product. So, I would go back to square one and figure out what it is that you really want, then try to get the best product that fits that need.

I find it very hard to believe that this is the result of some decent research.

Instead, perhaps an Onkyo home theater in a box system or a entry level system of separates will be much better for about the same cash.

Good stuff from BMXTRIX. AVS has a forum just for HTIB in case you want to check them out.

http://www.avsforum.com

Nick

 

[GreenJelly]

Please state a price range, and if your willing to expand your mind beyond these two name brands.

 

[fighter24]

why is it my PANASONIC home theater with a 8,+++w PMPO / 800 RMS is equally match in terms of volume with my AIWA stereo component which only has 2,200w PMPO???????????????

tnx

 

[GreenJelly]

Generally speaking, the majority of people here have speakers, and recommend speakers where quality is discussed. High volumes are assumed.

 

[BMXTRIX]

why is it my PANASONIC home theater with a 8,+++w PMPO / 800 RMS is equally match in terms of volume with my AIWA stereo component which only has 2,200w PMPO???????????????

1. STOP READING MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS!
2. Repeat
3. Once you are through with that, you have to understand that the specifications you are reading and quoting are 100% setup to trick you into spending your money foolishly.
4. For your money, there are far better products out there and I promise you my system which is only rated at 100 watts or so per channel will obliterate whatever you are seeing for a few hundred bucks.
5. As a matter of fact, when you see price go up, and wattage numbers come WAY down, then you are likely seeing far more realistic numbers for the quality and power output of the product you are buying.

For example, with this Onkyo system:
http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=HT-S790&p=s&class=Systems

You see 110 watts per channel as the rated power, but it is at a full .2% total harmonic distortion, and numbers are likely for single channels driven, not all channels at once (which is fine).

Whatever freakin' number 8,000w PMPO is I have never heard before but am sure it is just more marketing garbage which you are swallowing hook, line, and sinker. STOP IT! Even RMS wattage is likely rated at 10% THD instead of at sub 1% numbers (or lower) as they should be.

Denon, for example with this receiver:
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3038.asp
Also rates the power output at 110 watts per channel.
But! The total harmonic distortion (THD) at this level is rated at .05%
That is almost ten times better than the Onkoy and is likely on the order of 200 times (or more) better than the pieces you have looked at.

HONEST POWER? More likely 15 or 20 watts per channel. Maybe as high as 40 at sub 1% THD numbers with the products you listed.

 

[fighter24]

1. STOP READING MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS!
2. Repeat
3. Once you are through with that, you have to understand that the specifications you are reading and quoting are 100% setup to trick you into spending your money foolishly.
4. For your money, there are far better products out there and I promise you my system which is only rated at 100 watts or so per channel will obliterate whatever you are seeing for a few hundred bucks.
5. As a matter of fact, when you see price go up, and wattage numbers come WAY down, then you are likely seeing far more realistic numbers for the quality and power output of the product you are buying.

For example, with this Onkyo system:
http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=HT-S790&p=s&class=Systems

You see 110 watts per channel as the rated power, but it is at a full .2% total harmonic distortion, and numbers are likely for single channels driven, not all channels at once (which is fine).

Whatever freakin' number 8,000w PMPO is I have never heard before but am sure it is just more marketing garbage which you are swallowing hook, line, and sinker. STOP IT! Even RMS wattage is likely rated at 10% THD instead of at sub 1% numbers (or lower) as they should be.

Denon, for example with this receiver:
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3038.asp
Also rates the power output at 110 watts per channel.
But! The total harmonic distortion (THD) at this level is rated at .05%
That is almost ten times better than the Onkoy and is likely on the order of 200 times (or more) better than the pieces you have looked at.

HONEST POWER? More likely 15 or 20 watts per channel. Maybe as high as 40 at sub 1% THD numbers with the products you listed.

power output: subwoofer 150w x2, main speaker: 150w x2, center/sorround: 140 x3................this is from JVC....

anyway


tnx for advising....but how do you know this issue?? are you one of the victims of this marketing strategy?

maybe i should stay away to panasonic,, i tried different panasonic system and i notice its high PMPO is equally match to that one in aiwa and kenwood which has a very low PMPO compared to panasonic that i've tried.

 

[no. 5]

please explane what PMPO is.


1. wattage is only half the story as to voulme, speaker sensitivety is the other half: a speaker with a sensitivety of 80dB will take 4 times the wattage to reach any voulme that a speaker with 86dB sensitivety can.

2. sound quality can not be mesured in wattage.

3. sound quality is more important than voulme.

 

[Hi Ho]

PMPO = "Peak Musical Power Output"

It is an absolute bogus "measurement". If any system could ever reach it's "PMPO" it would be for a millionth of a second before it burned up.

 

[no. 5]

PMPO = "Peak Musical Power Output"

ooooh. thanks Hi Ho.

It is an absolute bogus "measurement". If any system could ever reach it's "PMPO" it would be for a millionth of a second before it burned up.

right, I'd like to see those 24 gague speakers take 8,000 + watts.

even if it is PMPO.

 

[BMXTRIX]

power output: subwoofer 150w x2, main speaker: 150w x2, center/sorround: 140 x3................this is from JVC....

anyway


tnx for advising....but how do you know this issue?? are you one of the victims of this marketing strategy?

maybe i should stay away to panasonic,, i tried different panasonic system and i notice its high PMPO is equally match to that one in aiwa and kenwood which has a very low PMPO compared to panasonic that i've tried.

STOP - STOP - STOP looking at wattage!!!

PMPO - as said above is a 100% scam. How do I know, because I read forums and I educate myself as to what actually matters.

As said immediately above, things like speaker sensitivity matter as much as the wattage going to the speakers. The quality of the build of the speakers will affect how good they sound. The materials used in construction, the cabinet design as well as the driver design. The thickness of the cabinet and its ability to properly control reverberations at higher volumes so sound is controlled...

Cheap is cheap is cheap - and what you are looking at is not just cheap. It is cheap and being marketed for suckers.

Decide now! Are you going to be a sucker for wattage or do you actually want to learn and buy some quality gear?

If number one, then let me know so I can stop posting.

If number two, then get away from the silly boombox systems. When you go to a manufacturers website, it should show specifications for a product that look like the links I provided above for both Sanyo and Denon. Those sites are delivering specifications that may be a bit tweaked, but are still not pure marketing BS like you keep posting.

Obviously you are not in the USA, so where exactly are you located and what website are you reading from for the JVC or Panasonic products that shows the numbers you are using? Is it on an official JVC/Panny website? Or is it some 'store' site that is just throwing numbers out to take advantage of the foolish?

Time to educate yourself, because you better believe that most stores just want your cash.

 

[fighter24]

STOP - STOP - STOP looking at wattage!!!

PMPO - as said above is a 100% scam. How do I know, because I read forums and I educate myself as to what actually matters.

As said immediately above, things like speaker sensitivity matter as much as the wattage going to the speakers. The quality of the build of the speakers will affect how good they sound. The materials used in construction, the cabinet design as well as the driver design. The thickness of the cabinet and its ability to properly control reverberations at higher volumes so sound is controlled...

Cheap is cheap is cheap - and what you are looking at is not just cheap. It is cheap and being marketed for suckers.

Decide now! Are you going to be a sucker for wattage or do you actually want to learn and buy some quality gear?

If number one, then let me know so I can stop posting.

If number two, then get away from the silly boombox systems. When you go to a manufacturers website, it should show specifications for a product that look like the links I provided above for both Sanyo and Denon. Those sites are delivering specifications that may be a bit tweaked, but are still not pure marketing BS like you keep posting.

Obviously you are not in the USA, so where exactly are you located and what website are you reading from for the JVC or Panasonic products that shows the numbers you are using? Is it on an official JVC/Panny website? Or is it some 'store' site that is just throwing numbers out to take advantage of the foolish?

Time to educate yourself, because you better believe that most stores just want your cash.

its RMS not PMPO............BTW, im from the philippines, THAT info. came from official JVC and PAN. SITE...

im also looking forward to this one

SONY HIFI

RMS - main speakers 170w x2, center and gear speakers 70w x3, subwoofer 210w total of 760 watts RMS


RMS - is the measurement use by the professional and its more accurate than PMPO according to them...

sony link: http://www.sony.com.ph/hi-fi/detail.asp?product_id=1368&cat_id=8&subcat_id=15&subcat2_id=0

 

[3x10^8]

How about building a system?! Here is a very decent receiver from Onkyo to start off with HERE. Then just add some speakers and a sub... SVS and av123.com, just to mention a few, offer very nice speakers at excellent price points that will sound much better than the systems you are looking at. You're definitely set at that point.

Those systems you're currently looking at will definitely sound loud, but it will be an obnoxious loud, with compromised clarity and accuracy. Here's an analogy for you: You can date a 400 pound wildebeest of a woman or a healthy 110-130 pounder. Which one would you date? You could argue there's a whole lotta woman in the 400 pounder and choose to date her over the slimmer alternative, but you know that's not a sensible arguement (for most people, at least). Anyways, truly similar circumstances...