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chopper

Audiophyte
just got a sony 7.1 110 watts a channel room is 12 by 15 open in the back to other room....looking for smallish surround speakers that are impressivly loud with a powered sub that pounds,,,i currently use 18 inch tower speakers that are awesome but no surround,,,,all i care about is watching action movies and love bass,,,im new to this so i need help and budget is arou 1500
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
* PARADIGM * These are excellent for their low price.

Hi chopper, and Welcome at Audioholics. :)

1. About Paradigm Atom Monitor speakers for surrounds. Retail price is $298/pair.

2. And Paradigm PDR-10 for your subwoofer. Retail price is $379.

* These are excellent value (extra affordable) for a pair of speakers and a subwoofer.
Paradigm is a superior speaker's manufacturer.
They excell in audio performance, are very well built, and very reliable
(they should last you a very, very long time). :)
-> By the way, these drivers from these Atom speakers have a die-cast frame basket;
this is high end man, no cheap stuff in those, no way sir.

*** You can also check at Audiogon for a good deal on those.
I'll bet you can get the Atoms and Sub for less than $400 or so.
With the extra $1,100 or $1,000 leftover, just put it in the bank for now,
till you upgrade later on, for better front main loudspeakers and center channel speaker.
Or if you want advice on those too, just ask me;
it would be my pleasure to guide you in the right direction. :)

Cheers,
Bob
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
I have a different recommendation. Surrounds don't really do that much in a home theater, and I would just go with some small, cheap, efficient speakers. After all, they are rarely asked to do more than ambient noises like rainfall or traffic. Occasionally they will be tasked with more, but not usually. I would go for something inexpensive from The Speaker Company. Either the bookshelfs or the dipolar surrounds, either way, you would be spending $170 max for speakers, including shipping. They will do just as good a job as speakers many times their price, especially considering the kind of programming there is for surrounds. And don't worry about them getting loud, their sensitivity rating is fairly high.

Another thing I would add is in a room like yours, it is senseless to go a full 7.1 channels of sound. That really only ever benefit large rooms. Also consider no movies have 7.1 soundtracks! They are all 5.1, the extra tracks are kind of 'made up' by the AVR. There is no true recorded material there. All you will be doing by adding the extra surrounds is taxing your receiver more and wasting time and money by placing and wiring them. Save your money and use it for a center channel or subwoofers- it will actually make a difference there.

If you buy inexpensive surrounds, this should leave you over 1300 for subs, which really is where you will want it. You can get some slammin' bass for that amount. Check out the Epik Dynasty, which is a 600w 18" ported beast. That will rock your entire room so hard. It is one of the best home theater subwoofers for the money. It will destroy your house and collapse your lungs. Epik's other subs are excellent too, check them out if you don't want to press the upper limit of your budget.

There is the Elemental Designs A7-350. This colossal 215 lb monster would also shake your foundations. If you have the room for something like this, I don't know how you could do much better, although I don't know how it compares to the Dynasty. Either one will leave you bruised and beaten but begging for more.

There is also the SVS PB12 plus. I can not link to the site right now because there seem to be something wrong with it. Here is a review. This would also be a terrific subwoofer. I think it might not quite have the performance of the above two, however it is easier on the eyes and still has massive performance.

If you were to get only one subwoofer, I would make it one of the above three. However you might also consider using dual subs, there are many advantages of using two subs over one, do a google search on that and you will see what I mean. For two subs, here are a few recommendations:

Two HSU Research VTF3s. There is a great sale on now for the VTF3s, those are extremely capable subs, especially for the money. Two would make for a very formidable bass system. This is one of the best buys in subs right now, in my opinion.

Two SVS PB12s. I can't link to these, sorry, but they would also be very good, and a little less expensive. For some reason my browser is telling me the SVS site is malicious!? Perhaps they were hacked. This will be fixed soon I am sure.

The Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, this is a lot like the VTF3.3, not surprising since they were designed by the same guy.

All of the subs I recommended are Internet direct companies, they will give you twice the performance of ordinary retail subs, but for half the money. Just compare their frequency response charts to any similarly priced sub at any electronics store around you. In fact, I would be surprised if you found any retail subwoofer around you that could match the performance of the Dynasty or the A7-350 at any price, let alone their own.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Are you looking to add to what you have (which is?), or start fresh?
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
You may want to consider monitor sized speakers from the same line as your front speakers. It's not crucial but can give you a very even tonality on sounds that pan from front to back.

You probably don't need a huge sub to fill your room but a bigger sub is usually required for more bass extension. Look for something that goes down to 20Hz or lower (anything else shouldn't really be marketed as a subwoofer). Hsu and SVS make really good subs at reasonable prices. I've heard some of the Dayton Audio subs at Parts Express are decent but don't know which models to recommend. You definitely can't go wrong with a Hsu or SVS.

Two subs would not be out of line as it can lead to smoother bass response. You won't need two for the SPL, one should be adequate.

Jim
 
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chopper

Audiophyte
keep it simple

you guys start talking about ohms and stuff like that it starts to get confusing,,,all I want is to watch movies loud with killer bass,,,I do not plan to use the big tower speakers i now use cuz there so big,,,smaller speakers but need awesome sub
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
I would agree with jliedeka and shadyJ. If you really want killer bass then get a big sub that goes low and inexpensive surrounds. Shady, the specs on that Epik look really good!

Chopper. The non technical interpretation of -3db at 14Hz is: It will wrench your guts, bust your eardrums and knock the paintings off your neighbours walls. :D

Most people can hear to around 20Hz. Below that you just feel. There is plenty of stuff below 20Hz in most action movies these days.

At some point you will want a center as well for the best dialog, but get the gut wrencher first.
 
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chopper

Audiophyte
aahhhh yes

thanks fred im starting to get it,,,,i think i will get the epik dynasty,,,so now i need to know is which center speaker,,,,basically I need you guys to basically tell me which stuff to get and why,,,,giddy up
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
thanks fred im starting to get it,,,,i think i will get the epik dynasty,,,so now i need to know is which center speaker,,,,basically I need you guys to basically tell me which stuff to get and why,,,,giddy up
Just get the Epik Dynasty matching center and surround speakers.

* Because they match your front main ones.

:) Bob
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Chopper sounds like he would enjoy Klipsch style speakers, something with tremendous dynamic response. Chopper, if you are looking to replace your speaker setup, you should look into Klipsch, Acoustech, or HSU speakers. Those are all very powerful speakers. Since you don't want towers, I guess you would pass on the Acoustechs, but lots of electronics chains sell Klipsch, so you should go check that out when you want to change your speakers. HSU HB-1 speakers would fit your order very well also, they are very powerful bookshelf speakers and can get louder than you would ever need but still sound clean and crisp.

Also, if you really do get the Epik Dynasty, be sure to read about things like optimal subwoofer placement, and bass management on your receiver. It is an expensive sub and you will want to get the most performance for your money, and a part of that is putting it in a good location and making sure the settings are all correct. If you end up getting it, ask the guys at Epik for tips to maximize its performance, and you could also ask us here as well.
 

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