What is markup on A/V equipment? Discounts?

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csm_274

Audioholic Intern
I'm looking to buy a substantial A/V system for about 18K (Pioneer Elite 60", Integra 8.9, Aerial Acoustic Model 5s L/R, Aerial Acoustic CC4 center, JL Audio F110, Pioneer blu-ray player, etc.). I'm getting it, and having it installed, by a fairly large (by local standards), solid company - real deal (not mom and pop).

My question is...I know the general listing prices for these pieces via the web and various magazines. How much of a discount can I realistically expect to receive (if any)? 5%? 10%?
 
Biggiesized

Biggiesized

Senior Audioholic
You won't get nearly as large of a discount if you were to buy the components on your own and do all of the installation work.

Any company doing installation is still making money on the components they're selling you.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Dang, 18k? I now wonder how much those speakers cost. 18k, and no projector? I would consider upgrading the F110 to at least a F112, if not F113.

You might receive discounts, but that will depend on how much they are making on the install.

I have the personal impression you could get a whole lot more for your money, if you did it yourself, obviously. You can just hire an electrician, or handyman, for much less than an "AV pro" to help with wiring.

With that budget, I'd have no less than a JVC RS20 projector for my display. Most likely dual subwoofers. Plenty of acoustic treatment. Home theater seating, multiple rows.

You might also be the first person I'd run into on boards like these that spends that much, but only uses a receiver (instead of separates).

How big is this room? It's the LR? Can you control light?
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Markup on a/v gear is easily around 100% you can save a ton by buying used, check out audiogon.com and videogon.com you can find really nice used gear for a substantial savings over what some new stuff costs.
 
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Dennis Hartwick

Audiophyte
What discount you can expect

I've sold middle to high-end audio and video for the last 12 years and can tell you that the discount that you can expect isn't wholly tied to the mark-up. Another factor is how the salesperson or the store gets paid on the sale. For instance, at one of my jobs my income on the sale didn't get reduced in proportion to the discount. Rather, after a certain percentage below list price, my income was almost halved.

For instance, more than a 5% discount on components and I'd get 1/2 of what I would have gotten had I sold them at full price. With speakers there was more room--say, up to a 10% discount--before my compensation was halved. With video the profit margin was so low that discounting didn't hurt me because I was making so little money to begin with. (As a matter of fact, the shorthand for anything that was low margin was "video.") The video is where you might want to seek your discount. Oh, and furniture also has good mark-up--better than speakers. You should be able to get about 15% off here.

Of course, the more vital question is whether you are getting the best value for your dollar? What good is getting 20% off the wrong system (e.g. poor value, poor system synergy, inappropriate gear), and spending 18k, when you could spend the same 18k on a system that fits you to a "T."

Also, 9 times out of 10, if you're dealing with career salespeople, which you should, (i.e. no Best Buys or similar "big box" stores) you will get more consideration during and after the sale if you're not "nickel and diming." Right or wrong, that's just how salespeople, sales managers, and store owners react. It's not really a question of the money buying the service, it's a question of offending them by not recognizing that their expertise is worth paying list—or close to it. This is how a lot of salespeople will take it when you look for discounts. By all means, try to get a discount, but exercise tact and good people skills. You may or may not get the size discount you want, but you'll maintain the good relationship and get the proper system design and service that goes with it.

Of course, if you are an expert and you really do know how to assemble your own system, even the better boutique stores will be more aggressive on pricing if you just come out and say where you stand. That is, tell them you don't want to take up their time, you know what you want, and ask them if you just hand over the cash can you get 15% off. If you're not looking for their support then or later, you'll get the 15% off—or thereabouts. Bear in mind, however, that some brands demand that dealerships don’t discount at all or that they don’t discount more than 5%.

The above approach will not work if the dealer is installing the system for you. If, as an audio/video store, they're worth the clothes they're wearing, they are NOT going to take your system design at face value. They will either thoroughly review your design or come up with one of their own--the latter approach is actually faster. Good design takes time and their expertise and has its price.

I hope this helped!
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
You can expect a discount typically, but rarely more than 10%, and often on the total price, not just the single pieces.

Plasmas, for example, you will find are barely more expensive at Best Buy than they are online. The simple reality is that plasmas have very little markup overall, yet certain brands, such as Pioneer, tend to fetch a pretty significant premium.

Speakers, cabling, etc. is all over the map, and almost EVERY installer tends to over charge for this stuff, often with very expensive cabling which you don't need to begin with, that is then marked up significantly.

Finally - I'm not sure what 'big' means, but you should at least talk to a few places in your area and look for a sales person that actually knows what they are talking about and can discuss your space and your situation with knowledge then have the skill to deliver references and an understanding that they will be responsive if you have issues.

Far to often I've dealt with people who have had mediocre systems installed with TOP SHELF components (like you are getting) but the people doing the install really just had no understanding of A/V or what the future needs may be.

Pionner, for example, doesn't exactly stand out as one of the top tier manufacturers of Blu-ray players at this time. Someone who knows their stuff would know this, and would recommend a brand which IS leading the pack for quality - such as Panasonic. Even the new Samsung players are getting solid marks.

Then the question remains of whether the 60" is appropriate or whether you should be considering front projection. Obviously, in a well lit living space, you basically have to go with a flat panel, but then is it so bright that the reflections may really disturb you when viewing?

What type of universal remote control is lined up to handle all functionality?

What type of equipment rack will be used to manage heat flow and distribution?

As I said, don't rule anyone out locally, and certainly don't think that ANY bigger shop actually has the ability to have nothing but quality employees who know what they are doing - more often, the bigger the shop is, the worse their quality control is.

Good luck!
 
bigred7078

bigred7078

Full Audioholic
^ really??? You think pioneer elite does not make some of the best Blu-ray players?? I think panasonic is great bang for the buck but I would not say it's "better" than the elites.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
^ really??? You think pioneer elite does not make some of the best Blu-ray players?? I think panasonic is great bang for the buck but I would not say it's "better" than the elites.
I think when you buy a TV, you buy once, and you are stuck with the same product until the day it dies.

With Blu-ray, you are starting with the best video on the market standard and then you need constant firmware updates and decent upscaling for your existing DVD collection. While Pioneer has some great stuff, and always has, their DVD players I would not consider extraordinary for the money.

Extraordinary for the money would be Oppo.

Top shelf for the money would be Panasonic. They are also the majority patent holder in Blu-ray technology and have been extremely reactive to consumer recommendations.

Yeah, I would recommend Panasonic if someone wants something top notch which will be extremely reliable for years to come while delivering great quality.

Likewise, I would not hesitate to recommend Oppo.

I'm not cutting down Pioneer at all, but I certainly don't recommend them first unless people just have money to burn.

For DVD players which don't get the constant firmware updates, I would be much more likely to recommend their products.
 
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