What do you reccommend??

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jstarz81

Audiophyte
Fellas, I'm about to embark on a home theater system and want advice.

What receiver do you recommend?
I'm getting Goldenear speakers with "Triton Two's" being the main fronts, "Supersat 60" center, and "Invisa 650's" for the rears.

I was looking at the Pioneer Elite SC-61, but someone said it's class "D" amp may not have enough power or "umpf" to drive the speakers well. Also someone mentioned there was switching issues with the HDMI.

Give me your top 2 or 3 receiver choices for around 1000.00 bucks.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jstarz81.
 
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jp_over

jp_over

Full Audioholic
Welcome to the forum! Recommended power is 20 - 500 watts for those speakers. Marantz, Yamaha, Denon, and Onkyo all have good offerings depending on which features you want but I think you'll want an external amp some day. As such, just make sure you get an AVR with pre-outs so you have an option to upgrade. Generally, you could spend quite a bit more on an AVR to get higher watts but it will never add up to a quality amp (watts RMS). Here are two AVR suggestions to start off (each has pre outs and HDMI pass through): Yamaha RX-A1020 or Denon AVR-3313CI.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
...someone said it's class "D" amp may not have enough power or "umpf" to drive the speakers well. Also someone mentioned there was switching issues with the HDMI.
It does not matter if the amp is class D or whatever. Power is power.

HDMI has always been a pain in the a$$ since it was born. One reason I would never buy any AVR refurbished. :D

Yamaha probably has one of the best reliability records. But I think Denon, Marantz, and Pioneer Elite are also very good.
 
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cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
I've got those speakers and my Denon 4311 works just fine. The speakers are really efficient and also any solid well made AVR will drive them...Never had any issues with my HDMI connections in the last 2years.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I was looking at the Pioneer Elite SC-61, but someone said it's class "D" amp may not have enough power or "umpf" to drive the speakers well.
Whoever told you that.....has no idea what they are talking about. Power is power, the topology has nothing to do with it. Yes, class D often gets a (unjustified) bad rap, but not enough power isn't one of the "disadvantages" to class D.

Secondly, those speakers are an easy load. You will almost certainly be able to drive them to excessive levels with that Pio (in all but the largest of rooms). I drive mine with a Pio Elite VSX-82 (older model with class AB) with no issues at all. Go read up on the Goldenear forums, or ask over on those forums. Sandy drives his with a low power SET amp. The built in amps for the low end combined with a high efficiency tweeter makes for an easy load.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I know when I had the Def Tech BP7000SC (minimum impedance about 3 ohms in upper bass), even a 50WPC HK AVR did a great job.

The midrange & tweeters don't require nearly as much power as the bass woofer, which in this case is powered by the built-in amp.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
I even at one time at my ATI2002 hooked up to drive the 2's, removed it and left the Denon 4311 all by itself.. Plenty of power. I also have used my Quicksilver mono amps (40 watts) and it had NO problem at all, actually it really sounded pretty darn good for a tube.
 
Cos

Cos

Audioholic Samurai
Triton 2 are great speakers, I almost ended up switching out my Paradigms, but I have just too much invested in them and love the CC-690 Center for Home Theater. As for power draw, Exactly what AcuDefTechGuy stated, the bass are being driven by their built in amps so the pioneer should have plenty of power to drive those speakers. I asked the same question to my Audio Rep when I was looking at them.
 
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jstarz81

Audiophyte
Thanks for all your help guys. I really appreciate it. I'll continue my research and let you know if I have any other questions.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Thanks for all your help guys. I really appreciate it. I'll continue my research and let you know if I have any other questions.
Did anyone notice on the OP, he mentioned the Supersat 60? I figured it was a typo, but went to check, and indeed there is now a Supersat 60 available.

I have the 50C for my center, and not the greatest center channel. Looks like GE realized this and trying to get an upgrade to the consumers.
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Ninja
Did anyone notice on the OP, he mentioned the Supersat 60? I figured it was a typo, but went to check, and indeed there is now a Supersat 60 available.

I have the 50C for my center, and not the greatest center channel. Looks like GE realized this and trying to get an upgrade to the consumers.
The Supersat 60 is brand new.. I saw it at the last show. It should do better than the 50 which to me is the weak leak in HT with these speakers.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
The Supersat 60 is brand new.. I saw it at the last show. It should do better than the 50 which to me is the weak leak in HT with these speakers.
I agree 100%. I really think the Tritons are best for 2 channel music, no sub required. And they do a really, really good job at it.

They are adequate for HT, but that 50C is holding back the system as a whole. It isn't "bad" by any means, it just isn't ideal. With my current setup, I don't really have room for a bigger center speaker anyway, so I'm content for now.

When the day comes that I have the house and room to do the HT area right, I will plan to use the Tritons in a separate room for 2 channel and pick up something better suited to HT as a system.
 
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Mopkins

Enthusiast
I agree with Joe. I think many of the receivers out there offer similar quality and functions, but receivers, like speakers are somewhat subjective to each user, so if you can test some out, that would be best. In any $1000 avr, you probably are going to have preouts which is a great thing to have to expanding into a power amp down the road if needed. Keep in mind that many receivers will rate their RMS power as two channel only, so once you push your complete surround system the power is spread to all channels driven. A rule of thumb that I use is if you find yourself turning your receiver volume above 75% consistently, you may want to consider an external power amplifier. As an alternative, you could consider getting a receiver for use as a preamp and add an external amp (saving money over a dedicated preamp). Just as and example, currently you can find last years Onkyo's on amazon at a huge discount, under $600 for the 809 and $530 for the 709. Both are feature rich and have hdmi 1.4, 3d, thx, networking... You could pair that with a xpa-3 from Emotiva for the front 3 channels and use the Onkyo for the surround channels. You'd be slightly over your budget, but you would have 200watts per channel RMS for your front three speakers...more than enough for almost any speaker.
 
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jstarz81

Audiophyte
I agree with Joe. I think many of the receivers out there offer similar quality and functions, but receivers, like speakers are somewhat subjective to each user, so if you can test some out, that would be best. In any $1000 avr, you probably are going to have preouts which is a great thing to have to expanding into a power amp down the road if needed. Keep in mind that many receivers will rate their RMS power as two channel only, so once you push your complete surround system the power is spread to all channels driven. A rule of thumb that I use is if you find yourself turning your receiver volume above 75% consistently, you may want to consider an external power amplifier. As an alternative, you could consider getting a receiver for use as a preamp and add an external amp (saving money over a dedicated preamp). Just as and example, currently you can find last years Onkyo's on amazon at a huge discount, under $600 for the 809 and $530 for the 709. Both are feature rich and have hdmi 1.4, 3d, thx, networking... You could pair that with a xpa-3 from Emotiva for the front 3 channels and use the Onkyo for the surround channels. You'd be slightly over your budget, but you would have 200watts per channel RMS for your front three speakers...more than enough for almost any speaker.
Thanks Mopkins. I was looking for examples and advice from the experienced audiophiles on this blog. I appreciate it. I'm leaning towards the Pioneer SC-61 for now without an external amp. I'm not sure if it has preouts for a future amp. I'll have to check. I was always leaning towards Pioneer or Yamaha for the AVR. If anyone has any strong feelings about either, please let me know.
 
jp_over

jp_over

Full Audioholic
Audyssey & YPAO

I'm glad some folks who have owned these speakers weighed in - excellent advice so far.

Of note, one key thing you might want to read up on is Audyssey and YPAO. YPAO is Yamaha's room equalization/correction software and Audyssey is the one used by Denon, Marantz, Onkyo and others.

I've been very pleased with Audyssey (MultEQ XT) but admit I have not spent a great deal of time with YPAO. Here's a link on it: MultEQ from Audyssey - Balanced Sound - Automatically Customizes Home Theater System | Audyssey
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I'm glad some folks who have owned these speakers weighed in - excellent advice so far.

Of note, one key thing you might want to read up on is Audyssey and YPAO. YPAO is Yamaha's room equalization/correction software and Audyssey is the one used by Denon, Marantz, Onkyo and others.

I've been very pleased with Audyssey (MultEQ XT) but admit I have not spent a great deal of time with YPAO. Here's a link on it: MultEQ from Audyssey - Balanced Sound - Automatically Customizes Home Theater System | Audyssey
On that topic:

I have the older Pio Elite VSX-82. For music, I use only the pure direct mode (no sound processing/room correction). For movies, I prefer the MCACC mode.
 
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jstarz81

Audiophyte
A store owner is looking to sell me an Integra DBS30.3 Blu-ray player for 440.00 bucks. Is it a good Blu-ray player? Would you recommend something else?
 
GregLee

GregLee

Audioholic Intern
I'm leaning towards the Pioneer SC-61 for now without an external amp. I'm not sure if it has preouts for a future amp.
That's a fine receiver -- I've read many comments about it at AVS Forum, and I have a larger brother, the SC-1522-K. The SC-61 is an Elite model, so Pioneer will not warranty it if bought over the net -- If you do plan to buy on the net, think about the corresponding non-Elite model, the SC-1222-K, and the model sold in Canada is SC-1227-K.
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
A store owner is looking to sell me an Integra DBS30.3 Blu-ray player for 440.00 bucks. Is it a good Blu-ray player? Would you recommend something else?
For that price, spend $500 for the Oppo 103. Otherwise, save a whole lotta $ and get something much cheaper. There have been a couple threads on the topic on AH lately.
 
C

canelli

Audioholic
When Pioneer first introduced the ICE amplifier section, the receiver had a known issue driving 4 ohm speakers.

I agree power is power if everything is equal, but the SC-09 and SC-05 had audible problems when playing hard to drive speakers at a relatively loudness. I know from experience.

"Driving 4-ohm loads was an entirely different story. The SC-07 simply fell apart when running full bandwidth (20Hz to 20kHz) continuous power measurements. As I tested at frequencies above 5kHz with only 1 channel driven, the internal cooling fan would instantly come on right before the receiver would go into gross distortion and shut down at levels above 100 watts. With two-channels driven, I was able to squeeze out a clean 150wpc at less than 0.5% THD. Anything higher would again run the amps into gross distortion and shut off the receiver. I was a bit perplexed in how the receiver managed to better cope with 2 channels driven over 1 and could only surmise that it had something to do with symmetrical load balancing on the power supply. How this receiver was awarded the THX Ultra2 rating was a bit perplexing to me."

Pioneer SC-07 Measurements and Analysis
 
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