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speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Hello once again I have a question. It is obvious that right now the Mirage S12 is a real "bargain" at only $399 shipped. And as many of us know that the SVS PB10-ISD is also a giant killer. Oh, and I cant leave out the Hsu STF-2. However, I noticed that Crutchfield has a very good price on the Infinity CSW10 10" powered sub. It uses a 10" CMMD driver whick is found on their most expensive speakers and comes with a 650 RMS amplifier. That sure sounds impressive. Frequency specs are given at 22-150 Hz +/- 3db and the sub also comes with the "RABOS" system that allows for proper integration via the sound meter and test cd. For $599 shipped it does also look like a bargain. However, has anybody here ever heard one???? Better yet, own one and has been able to do some comparisons to the Mirage S12, SVS PB10-ISD, and /or the Hsu STF-2???? Hopefully, someone out there has been able to do and will share his experiences with all of us. Looking forward to hearing from you. Have a great day.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Wow, I figured a few people would chime in. Is there not even somebody here that at least has heard the Infinity CSW10 sub??? Hmmmm...........not looking good here.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The STF-2 is not even in the same league as the PB-10, and probably not the S12 either. I owned the VTF-2 and the PB-10. They were close higher up, but the PB-10 was definitely better down low.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
j_garcia said:
The STF-2 is not even in the same league as the PB-10, and probably not the S12 either. I owned the VTF-2 and the PB-10. They were close higher up, but the PB-10 was definitely better down low.
I see so do you know anything about the Infinity CSW10??? Where does it fall????
 
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bsheldon

Enthusiast
I typed up a huge long comparison of the csw10 to others in that price range, and somhow it disappeared. Let me try this again--short version. The csw is a very fine sub, however for the money it can be beaten quite handily. $600 is the 12" range of Hsu and SVS (stf-3 pb12 isd) both of which will embarass the csw10. The pb10 for $430 will lay waste to it as well. However, all of these are much larger than the csw. If you really need decent performance out of such a small enclosure, it looks like a pretty good buy. Plus you get the bonus of the rabos system which has gottem pretty high praise. You can do similar with any sub with the BFD for $100. I hope this helps and good luck. Plus
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
bsheldon said:
I typed up a huge long comparison of the csw10 to others in that price range, and somhow it disappeared. Let me try this again--short version. The csw is a very fine sub, however for the money it can be beaten quite handily. $600 is the 12" range of Hsu and SVS (stf-3 pb12 isd) both of which will embarass the csw10. The pb10 for $430 will lay waste to it as well. However, all of these are much larger than the csw. If you really need decent performance out of such a small enclosure, it looks like a pretty good buy. Plus you get the bonus of the rabos system which has gottem pretty high praise. You can do similar with any sub with the BFD for $100. I hope this helps and good luck. Plus
Thanks for summing it all up for me. However, how would the Infinity CSW10 stack up to the Mirage S12???? Truthfully, if I had the money right now I would probably go with the Mirage S12 BUT dont think it is in stock yet over at vanns.com. But, for the money it is a no brainer. Just curious as to how the Infinity would stack up.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Found this review online - did you see it?
Pros: Fairly Easy; Though Tedious, To Set UP And Calibrate
Cons: There is no way to "override" the auto on power feature.

The bottom line: Look into some other brand you can get a lot more bang for the buck.

Full review

I ordered two Infinity CSW-10 Subwoofers. The CSW-10 is supposed to be Infinity’s newest and best Subwoofer.
Friday I received my new CSW-10 subs. I was extremely disappointed. I tried a myriad of positions, and settings. To begin with, out of the box one had a very slight, but noticeable hum, and the other ones cabinet was shall we say “less then perfect” (should I be surprised? They’re assembled according to the tag on the back of the Subwoofer, in Mexico) I overlooked these minor imperfections. Much more important to me, was their sound. They don’t even come close to the quality of sound that my old Infinity SSW-212 produced. I wanted to “feel” the low frequencies; I know what I was used to. I know its personal taste, but a Subwoofer either can, or can’t “shake” your house. These have a very smooth, very mellow bass. They don’t have the “punch” I'm used to; and quite honestly, I found them to be a bit muddy at higher volumes. My old Subwoofer used to shake my neighbors basement. My neighbors used to say “We can’t hear it when you watch a movie with action in it, but we can feel it, our basement vibrates.” You are never going to achieve that same effect with the CSW-10’s; I don’t care how many of them you hook together. For listening to Jazz music, or String Bass they may be fine, but for Action Movies it’s not the Subwoofer to buy. For anyone interested TWO OF THESE TURNED UP FULL VOLUME were not even close to achieving the level that my old Infinity SSW-212 did. I don’t like the CSW-10’s. I will be eating the shipping, but they are going back! The new Infinity CSW-10 Subwoofers aren’t even in the same game, let alone same ballpark as the Infinity SSW-212…

There is ONE MAJOR FLAW (IMHO) with the CSW-10 Subwoofer. There is no way to "disable" the auto on power feature. The problem is this...In a movie that has soft passages; the sub goes into standby after approximately ten minutes without a signal. (As it says in its instruction manual) When these subs wake from standby, for some reason they make a distinctive, and annoying "squelch" sound. In a movie that has periods of quiet interlaced with loud explosions, like canon fire that would drive me insane. Most Subwoofers that do have auto on, have a switch to "bypass" it for just such instances. It would be easy for Infinity to remedy this on future models. All they need is a switch. But sadly there is no way that I can see to bypass it currently on a CSW-10.

One other note. The CSW-10’s come with a R.A.B.O.S. kit. While I found it to be relatively simple to use, make sure you have access to the internet. Otherwise you have to do some confusing calculations to come up with the settings. After you do the tests you’re supposed to calibrate the speaker to your room acoustics. This is the part I found most disappointing. Instead of the results being a numerical setting (i.e. set the dial to 58). Instead you’re instructed to dial a specific number of “clicks” counterclockwise. An example would be turning the dial seven clicks. I noticed that the clicks didn’t feel precise out of the box, how are they going to be after a little dust settles in them? For a Subwoofer that lists for $999.00 you would think they could come up with a better way to do this like putting numbers on the dial instead of just dots.
You may be better served with a Bob Carver sub if space is an issue, but you'll never make up the deep HT bass going with "compact" subwoofers. This is why you'll see the most popular HSU and SVS subs sporting larger cabinets compared to the competition.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Buckeyefan 1 said:
Found this review online - did you see it?


You may be better served with a Bob Carver sub if space is an issue, but you'll never make up the deep HT bass going with "compact" subwoofers. This is why you'll see the most popular HSU and SVS subs sporting larger cabinets compared to the competition.
Very informative and interesting to say the least. Thanks for the help.
 
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Berlin

Enthusiast
I wrote that review of the CSW-10's

I hope my review of the CSW-10's was of help to you. If you have any other questions let me know. :)
 
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Berlin

Enthusiast
Thanks Buckeyeman

I was the guy that wrote the review of the CSW-10's you posted from Epinions.
 

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