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spenny

Audioholic Intern
Just seen a Unison Research Valve amp for £22.5k that looks absolutely bloody stunning. (SLIGHTLY out of my price-range though)

now can somebody please explain to me what this valve technology is all about? and is it any good?
 
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MichaelB

Audiophyte
Spenny,
I believe that "valve" is another word for tube, used primarily in Europe.
Tube technology is over 60 years old, and tubes were used in many stereo amplifiers and preamplifiers until the mid 1960's (they were even used in Soviet MIG fighter jets at one point.)
Values/tubes usually add some harmonic distortion to the signal, and they have a limited lifespan before they have to be replaced. While it is a minor niche in today's market, tube true believers believe the sound produced by tubes is more musically enjoyable and more organic. Since these are subjective opinions, I urge to to listen and form your own conclusions. Many audio dealers stock some tube-based systems, so it is a matter of finding one near you. Tube amplifiers start about $300.00-$500.00 US dollars, so there are many options.
Good luck, Michael
 
Rip Van Woofer

Rip Van Woofer

Audioholic General
MichaelB summarized it nicely. Here's my more long-winded take!:

For use in audio equipment, tubes (valves) are obsolete. Period. (I understand that tubes still have a place in some RF and microwave applications). If you were to ask an electrical engineer to design a piece of audio gear from the ground up, (s)he would not reach for the tube catalog! As MichaelB pointed out, they often do add some distortion that some find pleasing. So if you like your music filtered through the audio equivalent of "rose coloured glasses", then valves might be for you.

It is possible to design tube gear without audible distortion, but even then the measured performance would be worse than solid state and the reliability would also be worse. So why bother? Also, our engineer could replicate any "euphonic" characteristics of tube gear with solid-state components if that were desired.

It needs to be said that the designers and makers of "exotic" high-end gear (both valve and solid-state) are often not degreed electrical engineers, but hobbyists-turned-entrepeneurs, or engineers who decided to cash in on a lucrative market, engineering principles be damned!

In this day and age, tube audio equipment is an exercise in nostalgia, marketing, and myth. And an expensive one at that.

If valves still intrigue you, you can try them out for little money by purchasing used "vintage" equipment on eBay, Audiogon, etc., by old (often defunct) makers like Fisher, Scott, and Dynaco (these were US makers; UK equivalents surely existed). The basic technology of those and the expensive piece you mentioned isn't all that different!

(Note: some readers will see that I have cribbed here from Peter Aczel et al. Credit where credit is due...)

Also see the following:

Valve amplifiers - do they really sound different?

And this from Doug Self's article, Science and Subjectivism in Audio:

The "valve sound" is one phenomenon that may have a real existence; it has been known for a long time that listeners sometimes prefer to have a certain amount of second-harmonic distortion added in, and most valve amplifiers provide just that, due to grave difficulties in providing good linearity with modest feedback factors. While this may well sound nice, hi-fi is supposedly about accuracy, and if the sound is to be thus modified it should be controllable from the front panel by a 'niceness' knob.
 
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Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

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In a way tubes were kinda cool in fighters. Tubes aren't succeptible to EMP like transisitors, so presumably nuclear detonations won't fry the electronics. Of course modern military avionics are "hardened" ie sheilded against EMP. Just thought it was cool.

One of the more interesting tubes I've heard if is the trivistor tube used in some of Musical Fidelity TriVista models. It's a tube with a metal body, if I understand it right. It was a pretty advanced tube for the time, devoloped for the military before solid state took over. Seems like it was designed for ICBM use.
 
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Illuminatti

Junior Audioholic
I agree with the others that usage of Valves or tubes is an old technology. However if most of your time is spent on audio listening to your set-up, you might appreciate the value of these valves/tubes.

I used to be a 100% Home Theater enthusiast but there are times that after work, i need to relax after a days work. I started listening to my cd/receiver combo but it seems that the sound is to sharp to make it soothing or relaxing. Then somebody introduced me to tube amplification. I was able to audition Consonance M100 (integrated amp) and Jolida and i can ATTEST to its relaxing sound. The mids are soothing and the voice is vibrant and relaxing. After that experience, i decided to save for these equipments (because they dont come cheap) so someday i would be able to hear these on the confines of my home.

Technologically, these tubes may already be obsolete, but NOTHING beats your pair of ears in discovering the sound capabilities of these equipments. So i suggest you audition one and experience it yourself how these equipments sound.
 
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PaulMG

Audiophyte
Need Help Please!

Hi I'm sorry that I replied to this, it's actually a new post. I recently just hooked up my HT, (A/V receiver, surround, tv, tivo, dvd) using s-video, and the optical cable. for some reason, i can't get ANY sound. my dvd player is a toshiba, was pretty cheap, but does have the outlet for the optical. not sure what to do. Please Help PLZ!! thanks (p.s. then i try and use regular a/v cables, (red white yellow) for the dvd player and the receiver and still no sound comes out. do i not use s-video...geez, ive got no clue...)
 

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