Urgent Help Required- Panasonic TC-P65V10 vs. Panasonic TH-65PZ850U

[greatestboss]

Hi,

I need your help to decide. I was about to purchase the Panasonic TC-P65V10 today when I found the I found the old version Panasonic Viera TH-65PZ850U for almost $2000 less.
Is there a huge difference in picture quality between the two models that justify the price difference.
I was willing to pay for the TC-P65V10 but decided to wait and ask for advice. I need to proceed within 24 hrs.

Thanks

 

[jostenmeat]

$2,000 is a lot of money, and if it was me, I'd go with the 850u with that kind of savings. I'm sorry that I can't offer anything specific or absolutely true as far as the differences between these models. I am under the impression that this current generation of Panasonic is a really good one (but I probably thought the same thing last year, hehe). The 850u has been reviewed for excellent color reproduction.

The first (and could end up being the only real concern of any significance for me) is the possible flicker with 24p sources at 48hz with the 850u. I'm not even sure that I've even had the chance to see 24p at 48hz, so I have no comment, except that people have different levels of sensitivity to it.

But, again, $2,000 is a lot. I'd go with the 850u. It's a great TV. Savings could get you a pro ISF calibration, nice bluray player, and a kick start of a blu-ray library to boot.

 

[nibhaz]

$2,000 is a lot of money, and if it was me, I'd go with the 850u with that kind of savings. I'm sorry that I can't offer anything specific or absolutely true as far as the differences between these models. I am under the impression that this current generation of Panasonic is a really good one (but I probably thought the same thing last year, hehe). The 850u has been reviewed for excellent color reproduction.

The first (and could end up being the only real concern of any significance for me) is the possible flicker with 24p sources at 48hz with the 850u. I'm not even sure that I've even had the chance to see 24p at 48hz, so I have no comment, except that people have different levels of sensitivity to it.

But, again, $2,000 is a lot. I'd go with the 850u. It's a great TV. Savings could get you a pro ISF calibration, nice bluray player, and a kick start of a blu-ray library to boot.

+1 QTF

In the simplest of terms, I believe that the V10 has deeper blacks, a better contrast ratio, THX settings, lower power consumption, and is about an inch thinner. But is all of that worth 2 grand…for me the answer is no. The 850U is an excellent display in its own right.

There is a myriad of things you could spend that 2gs on to enhance your viewing experience depending on what gear you already have.

Subs, acoustic treatments, stylish light control window treatments, ISF calibration,…etc.

 

[greatestboss]

+1 QTF

In the simplest of terms, I believe that the V10 has deeper blacks, a better contrast ratio, THX settings, lower power consumption, and is about an inch thinner. But is all of that worth 2 grand…for me the answer is no. The 850U is an excellent display in its own right.

There is a myriad of things you could spend that 2gs on to enhance your viewing experience depending on what gear you already have.

Subs, acoustic treatments, stylish light control window treatments, ISF calibration,…etc.

Thanks, I have the complets HC Gear, I might only require ISF Calibration. My only concern is that when compared side by side, I found the V10 to have a brighter picture of course higher contras and less reflective screen. The HDTV will be facing a window.
I would feel really bad spending the addional 2 grand but I have no clue how good the 850 is. I haven't come across many reviews.
It is a dilema

 

[greatestboss]

By the way, anyone can tell how good is the Pnasonic TC-P65V10 vs. Sony KDL-55XBR8.
I know that the sony is good but no idea compared to the V10.
I mostly need it for sports 50% & Blu Ray-DVD Movies 25% and SD viewing 25% .
Tks

 

[Seth=L]

That's an unfair comparison, I'd buy the 850u before buying any LCD. LCDs don't cut it for contrast ratio, dark color representation, and color in general. LCDs are getting better, but they aren't that good.

 

[jostenmeat]

By the way, anyone can tell how good is the Pnasonic TC-P65V10 vs. Sony KDL-55XBR8.
I know that the sony is good but no idea compared to the V10.
I mostly need it for sports 50% & Blu Ray-DVD Movies 25% and SD viewing 25% .
Tks

As you might infer from Seth's post, we are very pro plasma at this forum, overall.

Sports, plasma wins. Bluray movies, plasma wins. Standard def, plasma wins.

I think*, assuming that you can view the LCD directly on, as close to zero angle of incidence, plasma shows its superiority most with SD, then with BD, then with sports. I put sports last (closest, perhaps) because of the FI that can be used with LCD. HOWEVER, if you're talking about the current cream of the crop in plasmas (V10), even with FI engaged do I expect the motion resolution of the plasma to kick any LCD's butt.

If you cannot watch the LCD directly head on, but rather with a significant angle, the plasma beats it in every way you can imagine upside down.

Get the 850 before it's gone. Even if you are comparing to full retail pricing of the V10 minus $2000 is it a great price. The only other consideration is the 65" S1 I suppose, but even that will probably be a LOT more than the price you're getting on the 850.

Get the 850 already. Great TV.

 

[greatestboss]

As you might infer from Seth's post, we are very pro plasma at this forum, overall.

Sports, plasma wins. Bluray movies, plasma wins. Standard def, plasma wins.

I think*, assuming that you can view the LCD directly on, as close to zero angle of incidence, plasma shows its superiority most with SD, then with BD, then with sports. I put sports last (closest, perhaps) because of the FI that can be used with LCD. HOWEVER, if you're talking about the current cream of the crop in plasmas (V10), even with FI engaged do I expect the motion resolution of the plasma to kick any LCD's butt.

If you cannot watch the LCD directly head on, but rather with a significant angle, the plasma beats it in every way you can imagine upside down.

Get the 850 before it's gone. Even if you are comparing to full retail pricing of the V10 minus $2000 is it a great price. The only other consideration is the 65" S1 I suppose, but even that will probably be a LOT more than the price you're getting on the 850.

Get the 850 already. Great TV.

Thanks for the great Info. I went to the Showroom and I viewed the 850 & V10 side by side, I found the V10 to have a brighter picture of course higher contrast and less reflective screen. The HDTV will be facing a window.
I would feel really bad spending the addional 2 grand but my heart says the V10 and my poket points towards the 850. I'm so worried that I will be so disappointed for buying the 850 and regret not getting the V10.

It is a dilema

 

[jostenmeat]

Thanks for the great Info. I went to the Showroom and I viewed the 850 & V10 side by side, I found the V10 to have a brighter picture of course higher contrast and less reflective screen. The HDTV will be facing a window.
I would feel really bad spending the addional 2 grand but my heart says the V10 and my poket points towards the 850. I'm so worried that I will be so disappointed for buying the 850 and regret not getting the V10.

It is a dilema

Get the 850.

I've checked out the 65" V10 before at a local Magnolia, the exact same TV you want, and man were the settings on maximum overdrive. Which one looked more accurate? Ok, either will look superb in your room. Well, in different stores, and not quite the 850, but the closest thing in the 800, well . . . I'd say the "OTB" of the 800 looked better to me than the V10.

Next time you go, ask them to put the V10 in THX mode. You will see that it will be significantly dimmer. That's often what "accurate" does to a TV. In the end, you can set it however you want, really.

I'm sorry, $2k is not worth it on its own for a better AR filter. I mean, if that REALLY mattered to you, you would instead get the $6,000 Z1, and that's only 54", IIRC.

Get the 850 pro calibrated. You will still be at least 1.5k ahead, perhaps most likely 1.7k ahead. Make sure to log at least a couple of hundred hours before splurging on the pro cal.

If you prefer, perhaps have the TV/STB calibrated for day viewing, and bluray calibrated for night viewing.

850 + Pro calibration = most likely the best TV you, or anyone you personally know, has ever seen.

 

[greatestboss]

Get the 850.

I've checked out the 65" V10 before at a local Magnolia, the exact same TV you want, and man were the settings on maximum overdrive. Which one looked more accurate? Ok, either will look superb in your room. Well, in different stores, and not quite the 850, but the closest thing in the 800, well . . . I'd say the "OTB" of the 800 looked better to me than the V10.

Next time you go, ask them to put the V10 in THX mode. You will see that it will be significantly dimmer. That's often what "accurate" does to a TV. In the end, you can set it however you want, really.

I'm sorry, $2k is not worth it on its own for a better AR filter. I mean, if that REALLY mattered to you, you would instead get the $6,000 Z1, and that's only 54", IIRC.

Get the 850 pro calibrated. You will still be at least 1.5k ahead, perhaps most likely 1.7k ahead. Make sure to log at least a couple of hundred hours before splurging on the pro cal.

If you prefer, perhaps have the TV/STB calibrated for day viewing, and bluray calibrated for night viewing.

850 + Pro calibration = most likely the best TV you, or anyone you personally know, has ever seen.

Thanks for the great info. You'd be surprised to know that I have found the Z1 for the same price of the 850. but 54 is not what I'm looking for. So the THX mode will make the V10 a lot dimmer. Never knew this. I'll check it out and then I'll go for the 850.

thanks

 

[Warpdrv]

I am thrilled to death with my 65" 850.... don't hesitate - its plenty flexible as far as pro adjustments if you really feel the need to take things that far.

Blacks are plenty black.

Picture is gorgeous.... I'm sure I paid far more then you will find this unit for now, but I'm still more then thrilled that I have it and will keep it for quite some time...

 

[greatestboss]

I am thrilled to death with my 65" 850.... don't hesitate - its plenty flexible as far as pro adjustments if you really feel the need to take things that far.

Blacks are plenty black.

Picture is gorgeous.... I'm sure I paid far more then you will find this unit for now, but I'm still more then thrilled that I have it and will keep it for quite some time...

Thanks for the info. But it needs to be claibrated by a pro to get the max of its picture quality.
Isn't the 850 the model the just came before the V10. Am I correct.
The contrast is twice in the V10 over the 850. Does this have any impact on the PQ.

 

[clouso]

Thanks for the info. But it needs to be claibrated by a pro to get the max of its picture quality.
Isn't the 850 the model the just came before the V10. Am I correct.
The contrast is twice in the V10 over the 850. Does this have any impact on the PQ.

Since no one is telling you i will...the V10 is with no doubt better then the 850...better contrast better blacks and better overall PQ!...now dont get me wrong the 850 is an awesome set too but the truth is that the V10 is better.

 

[clouso]

And yes the 850 is last's year model...the V10 is the one that ''replace it''...i have been able to compare both to my local dealer and i adjusted the settings my self (both at their best).. and the V10 is clearly better...but you know we all perceive PQ differently...

 

[greatestboss]

Since no one is telling you i will...the V10 is with no doubt better then the 850...better contrast better blacks and better overall PQ!...now dont get me wrong the 850 is an awesome set too but the truth is that the V10 is better.

I guess that is the answer I was looking for. The V10 is a better HDTV but is it worth the $2000 price difference.
I found the V10 to be brighter and Less reflective screen.
But why does it have a better picture, tell me ur point of view

 

[bandphan]

Thanks for the info. But it needs to be claibrated by a pro to get the max of its picture quality.
Isn't the 850 the model the just came before the V10. Am I correct.
The contrast is twice in the V10 over the 850. Does this have any impact on the PQ.

I guess that is the answer I was looking for. The V10 is a better HDTV but is it worth the $2000 price difference.
I found the V10 to be brighter and Less reflective screen.
But why does it have a better picture, tell me ur point of view

After your calibration "brighter" might not be what you see

 

[clouso]

I guess that is the answer I was looking for. The V10 is a better HDTV but is it worth the $2000 price difference.
I found the V10 to be brighter and Less reflective screen.
But why does it have a better picture, tell me ur point of view

The question is are you willing to pay more for a better display??...i have my self a G10 but if i had the money at the time id bought a pioneer!...you get the point!......ok here is the thing..my local dealer still have on the floor a pioneer 151fd a pana 850 and all the new series from this years's pana including the V10...G10..S1...and in my opinion and my local dealer agrees with me...the ranking goes like this...of course the pioneer comes first with the v10 close behind and then the g10 ...now about the sony's led...if your willing to pay about the same for an hdtv that have poor viewing angle and blomming issue its your choice!...all i can say is that i had all 3 major technologies ...a dlp...a led local dimming(toshiba's 670u series from this year)..and now the pany plasma and all i can tell you is that there is no comparison to make...the blooming issue with led is a big factor...FYI blomming is when a bright object is displayed on a dark background and the result is a withe cloud all around the object and beleive me this affect the PQ a lot espacially in dark scenes!...i exchanged the local dimming for the g10 plasma and god this is the best thing i ever done!...also about the THX mode...yes it is dimmer but it is more accurate and accuracy comes with a dimmer picture!.. if you watch THX mode at night or if you can control your lighting you will love THX....this is only my opinion but like i said i had all 3 tecnologies and plasma is the best.

 

[greatestboss]

The question is are you willing to pay more for a better display??...i have my self a G10 but if i had the money at the time id bought a pioneer!...you get the point!......ok here is the thing..my local dealer still have on the floor a pioneer 151fd a pana 850 and all the new series from this years's pana including the V10...G10..S1...and in my opinion and my local dealer agrees with me...the ranking goes like this...of course the pioneer comes first with the v10 close behind and then the g10 ...now about the sony's led...if your willing to pay about the same for an hdtv that have poor viewing angle and blomming issue its your choice!...all i can say is that i had all 3 major technologies ...a dlp...a led local dimming(toshiba's 670u series from this year)..and now the pany plasma and all i can tell you is that there is no comparison to make...the blooming issue with led is a big factor...FYI blomming is when a bright object is displayed on a dark background and the result is a withe cloud all around the object and beleive me this affect the PQ a lot espacially in dark scenes!...i exchanged the local dimming for the g10 plasma and god this is the best thing i ever done!...also about the THX mode...yes it is dimmer but it is more accurate and accuracy comes with a dimmer picture!.. if you watch THX mode at night or if you can control your lighting you will love THX....this is only my opinion but like i said i had all 3 tecnologies and plasma is the best.

So all the stuff you see at your local dealer regarding LED picture is mostly artifical. they try to promote LED's as the future by setting brightiness high to attract customers. The sets look brighter and more of a photoshop adjusted.
So if my room has more light, will I struggle with a plasma.
And if I proceed with the V10, what is the ideal setting to watch a football match or sports in general. Do you think a THX mode will work or is it reserved for movies preferably.

 

[clouso]

So all the stuff you see at your local dealer regarding LED picture is mostly artifical. they try to promote LED's as the future by setting brightiness high to attract customers. The sets look brighter and more of a photoshop adjusted.
So if my room has more light, will I struggle with a plasma.
And if I proceed with the V10, what is the ideal setting to watch a football match or sports in general. Do you think a THX mode will work or is it reserved for movies preferably.

What i personnaly do is that i watch sports in ''vivid'' mode with color temp set on ''cold 2''...and i only use THX for movies on blu-rays...if you like brightness for sports the vivid mode will give you a very bright picture ..then for normal viewing i use the costom mode wich i adjusted my self.

 

[annunaki]

Thanks for the great Info. I went to the Showroom and I viewed the 850 & V10 side by side, I found the V10 to have a brighter picture of course higher contrast and less reflective screen. The HDTV will be facing a window.
I would feel really bad spending the addional 2 grand but my heart says the V10 and my poket points towards the 850. I'm so worried that I will be so disappointed for buying the 850 and regret not getting the V10.

It is a dilema

Avoid regrets. Get the V10

In my opinion, the Panny's took a nice jump up from the previous year in terms of performance. It is also a measurable difference too.