Up-Firing Subwoofer

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Wilfan

Enthusiast
Hey I'm just getting started with the home theater scene. So I was wondering, in my dorm room, I have a futon. I was wondering if it was possible to conserve space by putting an up firing subwoofer underneath it? I'm moving to an apartment next year and plan to keep my futon in my room. I have atleast a foot of space under there.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Hey I'm just getting started with the home theater scene. So I was wondering, in my dorm room, I have a futon. I was wondering if it was possible to conserve space by putting an up firing subwoofer underneath it? I'm moving to an apartment next year and plan to keep my futon in my room. I have atleast a foot of space under there.
Any particular reason you want the bump towards your rump?:confused::eek::D

Seriously, down firing might be the best option, even though I personally wouldn't recommend placing a sub under a futon.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
The direction of the driver or port really won't matter much. Especially since it will be under your sofa.
I can't see any acoustic issues with an up-firing sub, but from a practical standpoint, it is going to eventually accrue a decent collection of dust and debris from gravity. There is a commercial on the radio here talking about how the weight of a mattress doubles from dust mites over 10 years (I think I have the numbers right). Though it might add to the realism of the explosion to have a cloud of dust emerge and the ensuing sneezes (almost everyone is allergic to dust mite feces), you may want to stick with a more mundane down firing design.
 
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Wilfan

Enthusiast
Any particular reason you want the bump towards your rump?:confused::eek::D

Seriously, down firing might be the best option, even though I personally wouldn't recommend placing a sub under a futon.
Well for loosely the same reason you'd want a buttkicker. More so to feel the base as well as to hear it. Kinda the same reason why there are people who like subwoofers in their car facing the seats instead of toward the trunk.
 
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Wilfan

Enthusiast
a cylindrical sub might not be the worst idea. but are they cost effective?
 
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Wilfan

Enthusiast
The direction of the driver or port really won't matter much. Especially since it will be under your sofa.
I can't see any acoustic issues with an up-firing sub, but from a practical standpoint, it is going to eventually accrue a decent collection of dust and debris from gravity. There is a commercial on the radio here talking about how the weight of a mattress doubles from dust mites over 10 years (I think I have the numbers right). Though it might add to the realism of the explosion to have a cloud of dust emerge and the ensuing sneezes (almost everyone is allergic to dust mite feces), you may want to stick with a more mundane down firing design.
couldn't you put a dust cover on it, maybe three inches above the upfiring sub using the stands to hold it
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
couldn't you put a dust cover on it, maybe three inches above the upfiring sub using the stands to hold it
Once you start sizing the box, I doubt you'll be too anxious to give up 3" in the vertical direction.

You should probably take this post to the DIY sub-forum. Or do you plan to build it?
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
a cylindrical sub might not be the worst idea. but are they cost effective?
The only reason I didn't go with one at my time of purchase('03), was that my cats would love to make a scratching post out of them.
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
You could try to build something like this one.

 
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Wilfan

Enthusiast
Once you start sizing the box, I doubt you'll be too anxious to give up 3" in the vertical direction.

You should probably take this post to the DIY sub-forum. Or do you plan to build it?
I don't plan on building it I just meant if u flip a downfiring sub upside down and set something on the legs to cover the subwoofer from dust
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
a cylindrical sub might not be the worst idea. but are they cost effective?
Yes. Typically, they are at least as inexpensive in price as a comparable box, and are cheaper to ship. They tend to be cheaper to ship because being cylindrical allows them to have thinner, less massive sides for the same strength, so they weigh less. That also makes them easier to pick up and move them to a different place in your room. They take up relatively little floor space for their size (they go up instead of out), and their shape also makes them easier to pick up than comparably performing box subwoofers. I use a pair of SVS CS-Ultra subwoofers, which are cylinder models (that are now discontinued), and I am very happy with them.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Yes. Typically, they are at least as inexpensive in price as a comparable box, and are cheaper to ship. They tend to be cheaper to ship because being cylindrical allows them to have thinner, less massive sides for the same strength, so they weigh less. That also makes them easier to pick up and move them to a different place in your room. They take up relatively little floor space for their size (they go up instead of out), and their shape also makes them easier to pick up than comparably performing box subwoofers. I use a pair of SVS CS-Ultra subwoofers, which are cylinder models (that are now discontinued), and I am very happy with them.
Another way of saying essentially the same thing is that a circle offers the maximum cross-sectional area for a given length around the perimeter. Thus, a cylinder of the same volume will generally require less material (and cost).
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Another way of saying essentially the same thing is that a circle offers the maximum cross-sectional area for a given length around the perimeter. Thus, a cylinder of the same volume will generally require less material (and cost).
Actually, that is an additional reason for it being lighter. With the curved side, it is stronger than a flat side, if the material is the same. With a flat side, there is a tendency for it to be weaker in the middle than near the corners. (To counteract that tendency, it is common in high quality boxes to have internal bracing, which adds weight in itself, and also takes up space inside the box, requiring the box to be larger in order to maintain the same internal volume that it would have had without the bracing. The box being larger, of course, makes the box weigh more, too.) But a curved surface does not have that problem. Consequently, a cylinder is able to have thinner walls and/or less strong material and still have the side be equally strong and equally immune to flexing. But you are right, even if the material were exactly the same, the cylinder would use less material for the same internal volume, which is another reason why cylinder subwoofers weigh less than equivalent box subwoofers.

If one compares the SVS cylinders with their own comparable box subwoofers, the difference in weight is fairly dramatic. Anyone who does not require the box shape should seriously consider a cylinder.
 
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Wilfan

Enthusiast
thank you to everyone who replied!! where can i find a cylindrical sub? other then the svs website
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
thank you to everyone who replied!! where can i find a cylindrical sub? other then the svs website
Most manufacturers do not make cylindrical subwoofers for the home. However, given how good SVS subwoofers are, that is not too much of a problem. I recommend that you look at their offerings (and while you are at it, look at their boxes, too), and compare with other subwoofers of whatever type you can find. Make sure you pay attention to the dimensions of the various subwoofers you consider, to make sure they fit in your space. An unfortunate thing about subwoofers is, generally speaking, if it is really good, it is going to be large. Some very tiny subwoofers are remarkable for their size, but those tiny subwoofers typically cost significantly more than a comparably performing larger subwoofer, and one can get significantly better performance at the same price in a larger subwoofer.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
thank you to everyone who replied!! where can i find a cylindrical sub? other then the svs website
SV makes it.

SV sells it.

And SV will let you return it within 45 days.

So......:confused:
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
You could use a downfiring sub like mine pictured on left and use it as an end table.

 
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