Unique 2x18" DIY Build for Pro DJ (need help)

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bluerose

Audiophyte
Ok... I'll do my best to explain my "plan" as best as I can lol. The enclosure is 1/2 vented and 1/2 6th order bandpass. Basically a box with 3 compartments. The top compartment houses a visible 18" speaker, the middle has the magnet side of a hidden 18" speaker, and the bottom compartment is the face of said hidden speaker. All 3 sections are ported. The 'vented' portion is tuned to 64Hz, and the bandpass is tuned to 24Hz (rear) and 58Hz (front). This (through WINisd) shows a near 10dB gain @ 59Hz for the bandpass, and near 10dB gain @ 66Hz for the vented.

To make things complicated, this box is for a mobile DJ setup, and needs to be... uh... mobile lol. total box dimentions are 48.5"W x 44"H x 30"D. So with the use of some simple hydrolics and some fabricated plexi-glass dividers, the box is shrunk to only 27"W. (when not in use)

Now for some specs:

Vented Portion of Box: 17.749 ft^3 tuned to 64Hz (when expanded)
BandPass Rear: 9.002 ft^3 tuned to 24Hz (when expanded)
BandPass Front: 6.251 ft^3 tuned to 58Hz (when expanded)

The Drivers that I originally intended for this hybrid enclosure were Faital Pro 18XL1500 (18" drivers)
*details found @ usspeaker.com

Thiele / Small Specs of said driver:
Impedance 8 ohms
AES Power Rating 1,500 Watts
Program Power 3,000 Watts
Frequency Response 30Hz - 1.5kHz
Sensitivity (1W/1m) 98dB SPL
Voice Coil Diameter 4" / 100mm
Voice Coil Length 31 mm
Air Gap Height 15.5 mm
X Damage (peak to peak) 56 mm
BL Factor 28.1 N/A
Resonant Frequency (fs) 31 Hz
Impedance (Re) 5.4 ohms
Coil Inductance (Le) 1.45 mH
Mechanical Q (Qms) 7.4
Electrical Factor (Qes) .33
Total Q (Qts) .31
Comp. Equivelant Vol. (Vas) 7.24 ft3 / 205 Liters
Voice Coil Overhang (Xmax) 12.9 mm
Surface Area of Cone (Sd)m2 0.1174m2
Reference Efficiency 2.0%
Diaphragm Mass (Mms) 236 Grams
Mechanical Compliance (Cms) .01 mm/N
Mechanical Resistance (Rms) 6.5 Kg/s

*Originally* I was planning on pushing each driver independently with it's own Behringer EP4000 (Behringer's new 4000w amp @ 4ohm Bridged Mono)

... at which point it dawned on me that the Faital Pro 18XL1500s are 8 ohm speakers, and i would only be getting about 1/2-2/3 of each amps potential output. These speakers are rated @ 3000w Program, and @ 8 ohms, i would only be sending each speaker aproximately 2800w at clip (using 1 4000w amp for each speaker independently). If I bridge the speakers together in parrallel, then I drop the ohm rating of the cabinet to 4 ohms, but would only be able to feed it 1 amp @ 4000w (so still only 2000w to each speaker) The other "viable" option it to blow a few grand on a 6000+ watt amp to push both speakers @ the 4ohm load.... and my pocket book says that ain't gonna happen any time soon lol.

So I started looking for speakers with similar specs as the Faital Pro 18XL1500's but that come in a 4ohm version... no luck. Closest I can find is the B & C 21SW150 (21") which would work well, but is $250.00 more per driver.

Basic Goal of this whole sha-bang: be able to have the -3dB drop-off at or below 25Hz and be able to push 140dB+ @ 1m (@ the 63Hz mark)

Using 2 Faital Pro 18XL1500's and 2 Behringer EP4000 Amps @ 8 ohms, this cabinet configuration has a -3dB drop-off @ 23.41Hz and hits approximately 144dB @ 2800w/1m @ 63Hz (taking into account the +3dB Boost for x2 drivers) Really the only problem I have with this is knowing that out of a possible 8000w (with the 2 amps) I'm only effectively able to use 5600w @ clip.

If anyone has any suggestions / comments, please feel free to post. This is my first venture into building my own cabinets, and I couldn't have told you what Thiele-Small specs were two weeks ago :)
 
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FaitalPRO

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FaitalPRO 18XL1500

Dear Bluerose,

my name is Flavio Naggi and I am the overseas sales manager for FaitalPRO in Italy but I would like for all to not consider this message as a sales solicitation, my only intent is to keep our product users informed of our latest developments and product specs.

We are currently working on a 4 Ohm coil for the 18XL1500 but it is not as easy as it seems because the wire used for the 8 Ohm coil is already pretty thick and therefore we will probably have to study a dual winding coil or something of that sort... in any case if you wish to have more information on the matter you can contact us at any time through our website.

Cheers.
 
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bluerose

Audiophyte
That would be great. I've googled every term i can think of relating to the type of driver i'm looking for... and no other drivers come within 3dB of the FaitalPro 18XL1500, unless I go with a 21" from B&C (which still hits 1dB lower). A 4ohm version would be perfect for my project, as it would allow me to utilize each amplifiers full ability. Do you have a target date by which you're hoping to have a 4ohm version of the 18XL1500 available for purchase?
 
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bluerose

Audiophyte
Dear Flavio,

On a side note, I attempted to contact FaitalPRO through your web-based contact form on Faitalpro.com and it had errored out. I alternately attempted to contact "webmaster[at]faitalpro.com" directly, and that failed as well with the error "no such mailbox at this address".

Just thought I'd give ya a heads up :)
 
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