Two Pioneer SP-BS22-LR & Marantz NR1504 combo opinion

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Lolelife

Audiophyte
For years, I dreamed of getting a pair of B&W speakers and a Rotel amp, but was never able to afford it.
Finally I went ahead and bought two budget speakers that are supposed to sound great.
Later I believe I went overboard with the receiver.

What do you think about my choices?
Is there a good match between the receiver and the speakers?
Are the speakers too cheap for this receiver? What if in the future I upgrade to 2.1 and later 5.1 Andrew Jones?

Will I get decent sound? I plan to listen to lossless formats.
 
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KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Give us more info!
What did you pay for the Marantz? can you return it?
What about the speakers? How much & can you return them?
Is this for music or for home theater?
The speakers are not bad for what they cost, but you are missing a lot of bass with them.
If I was recommending a music system on a budget, I would recommend Philharmonic AA speakers at $~225 (after shipping) and this receiver for $100:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrs201bl/yamaha-r-s201-2-ch-x-100-watts-natural-sound-stereo-receiver/1.html

That is a $300-325 package that will easily outperform your current option (again if music is your primary objective).

The AA speakers will provide serious bass and neutral sound. You will not need a sub if for music (but you would want one and a different receiver if you intend to use for HT).
 
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Lolelife

Audiophyte
Thank you very much for the quick and insightful reply

I bought the B stock receiver for $275 USD and new speakers for $100 USD.
I might be able to return both, but not sure how much additional cost I will incur.
I will have a stereo set-up for the foreseeable future. I would like to eventually upgrade, but not sure when and if it will happen.
I would rank my preference about 80/20 music vs movies. I would rather have good music and don't mind not having surround for movies.
I chose this receiver because:
- allows for lossless input from my sources: Computer, Network, USB, TV..
- good brand and reviews which i hoped will lead to high music quality.

Is my receiver overkill for the speakers?
I could potentially buy a $500 pair of 3 way speakers for listening to music and move my current speakers in the back for surround?
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The BS22s actually have pretty good bass for their size, but they're not going to be convincing for action movies. I do feel money is always better spent on better speakers though, especially for music, so the AAs are going to be a good choice.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Here's the deal on receiver vs speakers for budget.
Receivers/amps have been around a long time. The design of them is based on a very mature technology. While there are minor improvements regarding features, the basic performance of a receiver today is essentially the same as 10, 15, even 20 years ago. Similarly, the differences between Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer, etc are slight. All should do a fine job of converting a line level signal to a speaker level signal with minimal (not audible) distortion and without coloring the sound by emphasizing some frequencies over others (in other words the reproduction is neutral).
So choosing a receiver gets down to the power requirements of your speakers and what features you want/need.
Speakers, on the other hand, rarely sound the same! IOW, whether your system sound good or bad is really dependent on what speakers you choose (assuming you did not buy some POS receiver - Pyle comes to mind, but they might not be too bad for all I know).
If you were setting up a $2000 (or more) stereo system, I would say 80% $ for speakers and 20% for receiver.
Unfortunately, in your price range, you bump up against the minimum cost of a legitimate receiver. The link below is my favorite place to buy AVR's on a budget. Most of their equipment is refurbished, but the important thing to understand is that they are refurbished by the manufacturer (Marantz, Yamaha, etc), and sold by Accessories4Less who has been approved by said company to sell their refurbs. Also note that all refurb units have a warranty from the original manufacturer.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/avreceiver/home-audio/receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/1.html?
The key thing to understand is that the manufacturer has kept his involvement in these refurb units.
You did do well with your Marantz purchase. This Denon might save you about $50 and offers a little more power, but not worth losing any sleep over (and I think the Marantz looks nicer, ;))!
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrs700w/denon-avr-s700w-7.2-ch-x-75-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html

For speakers, if all you had to spend is $100, you bought what I would have recommended! However, I would encourage you to spend more to get the AA's, because they will give better sound plus much more bass (without being exaggerated). The designer of these speakers is Dennis Murphy who is retired and follows his passion for music and sound by playing in an orchestra and building high value speakers for people like you. He has his pension and is neither trying to build a business or even earn a comfortable living from his speaker sales...oh, and he just happens to have a gift for designing crossovers to bring out the best in the drivers he uses!
Here is where I reviewed his AA's:
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/new-2015-affordable-accuracy-speakers-by-dennis-murphy.95661/#post-1092558
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/elac-b5-vs-philharmonic-affordable-accuracy-new-monitor.97171/

To answer your question, you can indeed use your BS-22's as mains for now then make them surrounds later. I don't know how long it will take you to be ready to upgrade, but I can say that spending the extra $125 for the AA's will give you good quality sound. The BS22 is lacking in bass (as would any speaker with a 4" woofer) and has some coloration of the higher frequencies. The AA also has more bass than the FS-52 (Pioneer tower) and has a cleaner, more transparent sound. The AA's are fine speakers to listen closely to. I cannot say that about my BS-22's (which I gave away).

Here is a thread from a guy who was looking in a similar price range as yours:
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/need-a-little-help-upgrading-sound.97381/

Yes, I'm giving you a hard sell on the AA's, but they are that good!!!
 
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Lolelife

Audiophyte
First of all - WOW! Thank you for your time.
I never thought I can get such great advice on the forum. I should have registered a long time ago.

I already emailed Philharmonic Audio for a quote. I live in Canada, so the USD to CAD conversion + shipping might bump the price substantially.
That's what deterred me originally from Elac B5s.
on Amazon.com Elacs are $230 USD - BS-22s are $120 USD
on Amazon.ca Elacs are $370 CAD - BS-22s are $130 CAD.
I wasn't sure that the difference in CAD price was justified.

Again thank you for everything.
I will try to return my BS-22s and get the AA's.

Cheers,
Serge
 
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KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I don't know why Elac charges so much for CAD!
Yes, if you can spend more on speakers, go ahead and return the pioneers.
The Pioneers are the best value for their price, IMHO, but speakers is not the best place to cut costs.
Let us know if importing the AA's works out. Dennis Murphy will charge what it costs him to send them. That is the reason he does not give shipping costs within the US - you pay your specific shipment cost. I think from a marketing standpoint he would do better to just charge a flat rate (with a little cushion built in to ensure he doesn't lose money) so buyers don't have that extra question mark in front of them.

The AA's represent a great value (especially if you are not planning to have a sub anytime soon - you can get speakers close in sound quality for not too much more, but you will sacrifice the bass).

If import costs are a deal breaker, here are some other options in the same (and a little more) price range. Based on the speakers I have listened to, this guys assessments are good!
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2233954-2-0-bookshelf-compared-wharfedale-philharmonic-chane-musichall-elac-energy-kef.html
You can read the entire thread if you are bored, but the first post is really all you need to read, because he filled it in as he listened to more speakers.
 
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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
First of all - WOW! Thank you for your time.
I never thought I can get such great advice on the forum.

Cheers,
Serge
I guess a major factor here is you represent the "perfect storm" for the Affordable Accuracy speakers. It is rare that a specific product is quite so obviously the "right" product as I believe the AA's are for you.
If you intended to use a sub, then the Wavecrest HVL-1 (and perhaps the NHT SuperZero's if you will use them in a smaller room) would be a reasonable consideration. The AA's are great speakers for their cost by any measure, but if the bass is being covered by a sub (which are expensive for a good one), the choice between them and the Wavecrest becomes one of personal preference of sound characteristics. However, since you will benefit from the added bass, there is simply no competition for the price!
 
rojo

rojo

Audioholic Samurai
@Lolelife if you live near Toronto, these early 90's PSB 500's look like a pretty interesting candidate to audition. Here's some discussion on them.

If those don't work out or you don't live near Toronto, check the Canuck Audio Mart classifieds for other bargains from time to time.

You might also contact Dr. Hsu (pronouced "shoe") and ask what shipping would be for a pair of HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speakers. Also, contact Curtis at Wave Crest Audio about shipping a pair of their HVL-1 bookshelf speakers. I'm not certain about this, but I've read that you can avoid brokerage fees by getting your stuff shipped USPS. Either way, they're likely not going to be able to beat Dennis, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
 
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Lolelife

Audiophyte
@Lolelife
You might also contact Dr. Hsu (pronouced "shoe") and ask what shipping would be for a pair of HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speakers. Also, contact Curtis at Wave Crest Audio about shipping a pair of their HVL-1 bookshelf speakers. I'm not certain about this, but I've read that you can avoid brokerage fees by getting your stuff shipped USPS. Either way, they're likely not going to be able to beat Dennis, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Curtis charges $95 USD for shipping which is about the same as Dennis. If I was buying $500+ speakers, the $100 shipping charge might make sense.
 
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