Turnatables? Good for <$500?

annunaki

annunaki

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I am stepping into the world of vinyl, and I would like some suggestions on good manual turntables (with arms and cartridges) for $500 or less. New or used (if in good condition). Any ideas on some decent ones? Thanks for your replies in advance.
 
annunaki

annunaki

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Thanks Mudcat!!! :D I knew there was a name that started with Music that made a good one, I just could not remember the rest. Thanks.
 
Rip Van Woofer

Rip Van Woofer

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Thorens is another one. They were very popular back in the pre-digital era and are fairly common on the used market. I still have my TD 160 from the early '70s to play my vinyl of roughly the same vintage.

And Shure still makes cartridges. Their V15 Mark (something) was and still might be the benchmark unit IMO; is over $300 but they make others that are more reasonable. Grado is another long time cartridge maker still around; their stuff is more "euphonic" I gather.

I am very skeptical, naturally, of a lot of the exotic megabuck high-end cartridges today.
 
annunaki

annunaki

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It is funny you should mention Thorens, Rip. I was looking at some on Ebay, and they looked fairly decent. I was not sure on their quality though. Now I think I may take an even closer look. Thanks. Euphonic? :) Do you mean expensive, bordering on snake oil? I have heard many good things about Grado as well as Shure for cartridges. Thanks for answering.
 
U

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Sumiko / Pro-ject also has a few tables for that price. Made in the same factory as Music Hall tables. All of these are no fuss tables that sound great.
 
goodman

goodman

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Cheap Tables

I'm kind of interested in a new table myself, not to get in to vinyl, but just to occasionally play my old vinyl from the 60s and 70s. My 20-year-old turntable sounds like crap for some reason (could be the phono preamp in my expensive receiver because I don't remember the old turntable sounding so bad with my old cheapo receiver). I was checking out several cheap turntables on Crutchfield.com, including a $300 Audiotechnica that includes a cartridge and phono preamp, and it looks pretty in the photo.
 
JoeE SP9

JoeE SP9

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The needle doctor (www.needledoctor.com) sells both Music Hall And the Sumiko/Project TT's.Two of my friends own Music Hall TT's they are both quite satisfied. One did just upgrade his cartridge. :cool:
 
annunaki

annunaki

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Thanks for the additional replies. The info so far has been great. :)

I can get a Music Hall MMF-2.1 for about $269 new from an old employer. I think I will get that. I will keep my eye open for any other deals though.
 
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Rip Van Woofer

Rip Van Woofer

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"Euphonic" meaning not necessarily accurate but appealing to many audiophiles' taste in sound. It can still sound good. I'm an accuracy guy.

More info for the heck of it even though you might have made your decision: The TD 160 was a "popularly priced" item in the Thorens line at the time, but still not cheap. One little peculiarity: the hydraulically damped cueing mechanism that lowers the arm down for you is s-l-o-o-o-w. I thought it would speed up eventually but I've been waiting 30 years!

I think some folks also like old AR (Henry Kloss' Acoustic Research, not the tube amp company) TTs refitted with trick arms. ARs were very basic, quiet value-priced but solid units with belt drives and heavy platters but the stock arms were so-so as I recall. I had one but soon got the Thorens instead.

Goodman: the phono preamps in current receivers generally do suck. I think Rotel made (and still makes) a good separate phono preamp at a non-ripoff price. A bargain used!
 
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Mudcat

Mudcat

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How about a Rockport Sirus III for $72,000 (Picture on left).

or

Transroter Gravita for $70,000 (picture on right).

Just to play a $10 vinyl disc bought at a bargain basement shop because that is the only place that sells them anymore (almost).
 
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annunaki

annunaki

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Sorry Mudcat, those are ju...st out of my price range.

Rip, I am looking at a couple of Thorens pieces on Ebay. they are fairly cheap and seem to be pretty decent. I really love the simplicity of the Music Hall though. I too tend to prefer accuracy as well. ilike to here every detail, no matter how mundane. That is of course, why I also listen to cd. :)
 
R

rschleicher

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As others have noted, both Music Hall and Sumiko/Pro-ject have nice offerings at or below $500. I think the Music Hall 5 is right at the $500 price point, with arm and cartridge. The lower-end Rega tables might also sneak in under the $500 limit. I might not be remembering this right, but the arms on both Music Hall and Pro-Ject tables might be the same, or almost the same at comparable price points. It seems to me that these are Pro-Ject arms? Rega of course uses their own arms.

Speaking of old Thorens tables, I still have the old Dual turntable I bought in 1977, with a Shure V15. It's a belt-drive semi-auto table (meaning manual cueing to start play, but an automatic lift-off and power-off at the end. This came in handy in case of falling asleep while listening to that last record - no wearing out the inner groove! The tone arm is actually pretty nice, in my opinion. One somewhat unusual characteristic of the Dual tonearm from back then is that tracking force is applied by a little coil spring, rather than by unbalancing the mass of the arm/cartridge. Basically, the arm is balanced in all planes, then the tracking and anti-skating forces are applied via springs. As a result, the tracking force is always perpendicular to the plane of the record, regardless of whether the turntable is level, or tilted. With a record clamp to hold the record in place, you can play a record with the turntable on its side, or even upside down, for that matter. The cueing still works, too. Not that there is any practical value to this - it's just an amusing thing to try out.
 
wilmeland

wilmeland

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If you can find a Thorens I don't think you can go wrong. If you get a decent turntable, then the cartridge will make all the difference in the world. The last 2 I bought were Ortofon. I would recommend their OM 30 model as a mid level option. This has lasted well and the sound was much better than the Sure and Stanton models I'd owned before going to Ortofon.
 
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