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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
Donating some equipment to a local church theater room. They need everything, but I am concentrating on the sound right now. 19' deep, 21' wide room with 1 door and 9' ceilings - all concrete save for the risers for the stadium seating(seats around 30) which starts about 9' off the front wall. They had a all in one panasonic htib, so pretty much anything would be an improvement.

That seems like a pretty good sized room and am a little hesitant to just start buying an avr and some speakers and see how it goes...a push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Forget about AVRs. Pair of inexpensive active PA speakers and a mixer is what needed. I would recommend Behringer brand as they are good value.
30 people in that room would absorb so much sound - you literally would not be able to hear anything clearly with home style audio system.
 
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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
really? The $300 htib seemed to work ok for them for 10 years, and that was not set up optimal(I never heard it in operation, but they didn't complain about crappy sound). Prime audience is children - and 30 is capacity, I think 10-15 is more the normal size.

Maybe I should haul my system over there and see how it sounds...nothing gloat worthy by any means,but a great deal better than the current setup.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Hi. You mention that you're donating equipment, but then you also mention buying equipment. Do you already have stuff around that you plan to give them? Just curious.

That room size isn't very large, IMO. I agree that a typical AVR and speakers could fill it, even with people in there. My living room is about that size. My concern would be the reflections off of the concrete - do they have wall coverings and such? I imagine that they have at least some pictures on the walls. I like your idea of just trying out what you have in that room to see how it works.

The active PA speakers that Bored recommended would serve the same purpose as an AVR and speakers in that room, IMO. Nothing wrong with going that route, but the AVR might be easier for some folks to operate just because they might be used to having one at home.
 
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timmay8612

Audioholic
In all my dealings with churches and audio equipment, one rule stands above them all. It MUST be idiot proof. People who don't know what they are doing will mess with it, albeit with good intentions, so it must be so simple that it can't be messed up. Having said that, for a crowd of 15-30 people, I'm wondering if an AVR paired with high efficiency speakers might be a better route than live sound gear.

If one were really worried about output, couldn't you theoretically use an AVR with pre-outs run to pro amps and pro/live sound speakers anyway?
 
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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
Should have clarified that...My plan is to buy the sound equipment, they will buy a projector. It pretty much is a a dedicated theater room, thats all it used for and the walls are bare(there are 2 racks of costumes in the front left and right corners) There is carpeting on the risers for the seats, 9-10' worth. Ceiling is concrete as well. I realize its probably going to be an acoustic nightmare, and can try to address some of that later.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
mr.roboto said:
really? The $300 htib seemed to work ok for them for 10 years, and that was not set up optimal(I never heard it in operation, but they didn't complain about crappy sound). Prime audience is children - and 30 is capacity, I think 10-15 is more the normal size.

Maybe I should haul my system over there and see how it sounds...nothing gloat worthy by any means,but a great deal better than the current setup.
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You can upgrade from a htib type system - to an AVR with better speakers and a sub,
for some improved nice sound - that people can/will enjoy.

I have been around rooms about the same size or bigger - and it can work fine.
 
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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
Any suggestions for a decent speaker setup for these conditions? I've heard good things about the pioneer speakers by Andrew Jones - Bs22's
Not sure if I could get away with 4 of those , would probably have to go floorstanders up front.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
mr.roboto said:
Any suggestions for a decent speaker setup for these conditions? I've heard good things about the pioneer speakers by Andrew Jones - Bs22's
Not sure if I could get away with 4 of those , would probably have to go floorstanders up front.
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Do you have a max budget in mind - and are you able to wall mount any speakers?
 
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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
Rears will have to be wall mounted high and angled down for survival. A center could be mounted above or below screen, but L and R might not be so easy unless they were higher up as well. I can reuse the current speakers for rears and just go with LCF, sub, and receiver to get a little bit nicer stuff and get new rears in the future. Thinking a budget of 1k.

What about getting 2 small subs? worth the trouble?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Domo arigato Mr. ROBOTO. :D

Yeah, 19' x 21' x 9' is really not that big. My family room is 18' x 20' x 10' which opens to 3 sides, and I can get very loud sound even from small $85 bookshelf speakers, $300 single sub, and $300 AVR. It may not sound like Revel Salon2 quality, but for the general population, it sounds just fine.

Just bring whatever you have now and see.
 
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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
What I have now is this...has not changed in 12 years.

Denon 3802
2-Nht Supertwos
3-Nht superones
Mirage bps-150
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
HSU is a nice option, if they will work with you for a church

HTD is a nice option, if they will work with you for a church
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three-speakers

For the church with the kids - Infinity would be a nice option
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Two-way-Bookshelf-Satellite/dp/B0045NCB32/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419023467&sr=8-2&keywords=infinity+primus

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Three-way-Speaker-Center-Channel/dp/B0044D1788/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1419023467&sr=8-3&keywords=infinity+primus

With a Bic sub
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419023891&sr=8-1&keywords=bic+f12+sub

I would look at HSU and HTD first - the Denon receiver recommended can work.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
Why not involve the church community a bit? I'm picturing a day or weekend workshop building SEOS DIY kits, which would be fun and educational, cost effective, and also have benefits in sidestepping some acoustical issues in your untreated room. The speakers would also be sensitive enough to run with any old AVR.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
BoredSysAdmin said:
to add to Ski2xblack idea, this kit - it using value components and will provide Tons of sound even from budget avrs, designed by excellent audio engineer
Curt Campbell
http://www.parts-express.com/project-gallery-speaker-project-the-stentorians
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Whoa! Those are huge! One thing is for sure, those or one of the SEOS kits would stomp all over any commercial offering mentioned so far. I had in mind something like THIS for the front three, and a pair of THESE for the rears. (I guess I forgot about a sub in the budget...so easy to spend other peoples money...and oops on the links, they go to pages w/ several products but include the ones I intended...and no affiliation, just trying to spread the love)
 
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mr.roboto

Audiophyte
Pretty good chance the SEOS would find their way into my basement and what I have would goto church
 
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