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AES papers. Can anyone site any papers published by AES (or other peer reviewed study) that shows that modern audio components designed to be transparent are indistinguishable? I am thinking in terms of DACs, op-amps, caps, etc.
 
mtrycrafts

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AES papers. Can anyone site any papers published by AES (or other peer reviewed study) that shows that modern audio components designed to be transparent are indistinguishable? I am thinking in terms of DACs, op-amps, caps, etc.
Boy, this was buried and missed it:eek:

I only know of a conference paper published by Dr David Rich who is presently the head tech guy at The $ensible Sound but that dealt with amps and preamps only.
Such peer papers are elusive as no one bothers as it will certainly not make a dent in most purchasing behavior; it is also a lot of work for a peer paper of such magnitude.

Caps have undergone DBT but not peer reviewed and only one or two articles. Tom Nousaine was involved in one such test. Ceramic caps are heat sensitive and that changed a lot causing audible differences in one test, poorly located.

As to Dacs, I'd look at CD player tests, also not peer reviewed but more available in other writings. Well designed ones didn't pass any tests:D audibly different, that is.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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Dr David Rich used to write for The Audio Critic.

You might want to look them up and check out their references.
 
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MichaelJHuman

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Well, DACs are rated with a THD+N spec. So they are theoretically imperfect. Amp transistors are not perfectly linear. Then there's crossover distortion - just to name a few examples of imperfection.

The question is not whether audio components lack distortion, because obviously they do have distortion.

The first question is whether two audio components sound different. There's no reason to insist they can't, when they are imperfect.

What people have troubles proving is whether audio components sound different enough to tell them apart. A number of amplifier listening tests demonstrated that people, even people who thought they had golden ears, simply could not reliably tell amps apart.

So, that leaves us nowhere really. People will tell you they hear differences, and other people will them to prove it.

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Audible differences seem likely to exist because audio components are imperfect. But they seem to be subtle in any hi fi gear. I am sure most of us could tell a transistor AM radio vs a stereo playing into decent speakers :)

When people tell me they switched out a CD player, pre amp, amp etc. and were blown away, I refuse to believe they are being honest with themselves. If that was the case, we should be able to set up unsighted listening tests and easily pick out components. When I read up on such tests, people admitted how hard that is.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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When people tell me they switched out a CD player, pre amp, amp etc. and were blown away, I refuse to believe they are being honest with themselves.
I think a lot of people just FORGET or simply overlook that the VOLUME (voltage gain differences) plays a huge factor. There may also be a difference in volume with Analog Inputs vs Digital Inputs and Balance vs Unbalanced, etc.

If a friend tells me that one component sounds better than the other, I would believe him or her. But I would contribute that to volume differences.
 
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