Toshiba HD DVD player bricked.. what options would you take?

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20Glove

Audioholic
Ok,

As some of you know my Toshiba HD-A35 bricked out after a firmware update on 3-28-08.

Well here are my options.... (at the end I will tell you why my options are this, but want to make sure I get answered).

Ok options... I can ship it back to Toshiba and receive a brand new HD-A35 still in the box?

Or I can have Best Buy give me a store credit for the full amount (since they do not have parts to fix this system anymore) and use that credit to buy a blu ray player... was thinking since I still have HD DVD movies I would go with the Samsung BD-UP5000.

Can anyone tell me about the Samsung... I know what the Toshiba HD-A35 can do... am I getting a better player with Samsung? And does Samsung output Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA? I will have this hooked up through my Denon avr-3808ci. So really how does the A35 and UP5000 measure up against each other?

Ok, now to let you know what happened. So the HD-A35 bricked out on 3-28-08 after firmware update. The DVD-Mac and Board were not working according to Best Buy repair service. So Best Buy was going to fix it for $70 b/c low and behold that US warranty is 1 yr parts but only 90 days labor... as opposed to the Canandian warranty which is 1 yr parts and labor... fair right there!!

So anyway... even though the firmware ruined the system... I would still be responsible for repair through best buy. So I called Toshiba back on 4-4-08 (not to mention they never called back since 3-28-08 like they had promised). So... Toshiba told me they are no longer fixing these machines but replacing them. So I set up the return and low and behold Toshiba is not replacing the unit with the HD-A35 but the HD-A30... That is fair, I mean since the A30 was $100 less (sense the sarcasm)!

Then, I asked them why??? They told me that it would be fair to replace the unit with the A30 due to the fact that labor would have cost $115, WHAT?? Best Buy would do it for $70 first of all and Toshiba... the designer of the product would charge more... cool!!

They had no answer for the difference in labor other than telling me that BB would not have done the service but sent it to Toshiba... so BB would pay Toshiba $115 and charge me $70... hmmmm I know BB is into customer service but they would take a $45 loss for me (and if BB got a $45 pay cut b/c they have deal, seems to me Toshiba should honor that price)... NO WAY! I did confirm from another major retailer that has on site repair service that they in fact would be able to repair the player at their store but only if I were to have purchased it through them... but Toshiba denied this claim as well. Who to believe?!?! Probably not Toshiba!

So I did my research, called a business law lawyer, (that was a friend of a friend), the BBB, and my state attorney general. I filed claims both with the BBB and the attorney general. That was the suggestion of the lawyer (who said if it was not resolved, they would look into it - - - but start there first).

So I called Toshiba back... (also the suggestion of the lawyer), and told them I wanted to inform them that I filed a claim with BBB and attorney general and I had contacted a lawyer. The agent then asked if I had time to talk to a manager... WOW!!! Really!?!?

I of course obliged and talked to the manager. I informed him of everything that I had done and he asked to put me on hold no more than 2 minutes... I asked what he would be doing during that time and he said he would have to check with others on how to proceed with this call.

He then came back... and WOW... he told me he had found a new in the box HD-A35 at the warehouse. He told me he would order that one for me and that it would be a "one time exception" I asked why it is an exception as I am getting the same exact model that bricked out on me... same line... labor costs would be $115 (no labor covered after 90 days mind you... only in USA) and that is why they went to the A30, they feel that is fair.

So, they are not fixing these players anymore... but they are only offering A30 to those who have a35's that bricked out... so is there others that downloaded this firmware and bam... BRICKED out unit!!

Hmmm... again... they decided not to fix the player... but are only giving the option to swap for A30... GREAT business practice!!! I said I wanted the $115 repair... and not until I said that did they tell me they were no longer fixing them... they did not offer this info at first!!

Now I know I would be able to switch but all that due to their error??? It was their firmware that bricked system out... they are not fixing units any longer... and my unit overall is still under warranty as parts... hmmm.... seems to me that they should be switching the units out for the exact same model.

Toshiba, I hope goes out of business!! There business practice needs to be looked into... and I will do everything I can with the BBB and my attorney general's office to make sure someone takes a look at these practices.

So did I rant about Toshiba too much.

I would not shed a tear at all if they go out of business!

Just think I felt bad for them when they lost the HD war... Funny!
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
Personally, I would take the new A35. I tried two of the Samsung 5000 Duo players and returned them both. They are just flat too buggy for me. I had audio dropouts, disc freezes, discs it would not play (especially until the first firmware came out), drop outs on CDs, etc, etc. Also, they will only decode the lossless formats in two channel for now. Same for bitstream. The supposed Holy Grail fix they have been promising since the first of the year to come out in May is supposed to fix all that. Time will tell.

I will say the picture on the 5000 is fantastic, when it plays.:rolleyes: It's hard to beat the Reon upconversion. I have an Oppo and it beats it to my eyes, hands down. I really wanted the 5000 to work, but to date, it just doesn't. Maybe in a few weeks.

A second idea if you are afaid of the A35 but want to keep your HD DVDs is to sell the A35 when you get it and pick up an XA2. I did and I love it! It also has the Reon upconversion. You should be able to get one for around $300. Maybe less, if you are dilligent and/or fortunate.

Good luck and sorry for your troubles!
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Based on review I read on the Samsung, I would say take the new in the box A35 and stick with firmware 1.3 this time.
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
Take back the A35, get another A35 or get a LG BH200, then update it with the March firmware.
 
2

20Glove

Audioholic
Based on review I read on the Samsung, I would say take the new in the box A35 and stick with firmware 1.3 this time.
When I talked to Toshiba... the unit is downloaded with the firmware 1.1... not 1.3... so movies like Transformers, 300, and Shooter will not even play with 1.1... do not know what other movies will not play with 1.1 but I know those 3 for a fact will not play.

So I still have to download the firmware, which I cannot get 1.3 anymore... it will be 2.0 I believe.

I asked Toshiba several times if they could download the firmware there... and they confirmed they cannot... seems fishy to me... they will not even download there own firmware updates!! They keep telling me it is against procedure... but if they were to send me a refurbished a30 like they wanted to originally then the new firmware would be updated... I told them I do not care if it is out of the box, they still keep telling me it is against procedure.

Bogus!
 
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20Glove

Audioholic
Take back the A35, get another A35 or get a LG BH200, then update it with the March firmware.
So get the LG? I read mixed reviews... is the march firmware taking care of these issues?

Does the LG pass the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA HD sound?

Does it skip and freeze on HD DVD movies... some says it does.

Does it have the interactive menu's both on Blu ray (profile 1.1) and HD DVD (HDi)?

I do not know much about the LG. Does the March firmware correct these issues?

Let me know.

Thank you for the suggestion... but please give me a mini review of that model, please.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I was very impressed with the Samsung's Reon HQV scaling abilities, I thought I was watching a crappily compressed HD DVD, it turned out the store had accidentally put in the DVD side instead of the HD DVD side on one of those Dual Format discs.

However, with the buginess in mind, I would either get a new HD-A35, or get credit back for it and just get a straight forward Blu-ray player and then putz around on ebay in the future to nab a good deal on an HD DVD player so you can play the few titles you have on HD DVD.:)
 
rgriffin25

rgriffin25

Moderator
So get the LG? I read mixed reviews... is the march firmware taking care of these issues?

Does the LG pass the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA HD sound?

Does it skip and freeze on HD DVD movies... some says it does.

Does it have the interactive menu's both on Blu ray (profile 1.1) and HD DVD (HDi)?

I do not know much about the LG. Does the March firmware correct these issues?

Let me know.

Thank you for the suggestion... but please give me a mini review of that model, please.
The audio section on the LG is subpar. If you need the player to decode Dolby TrueHD it will only send out a 2.0 signal and only supports 5.1 DTS Core. I really think LG put this player on the market for people who only plan to use a TV with it. I have read that it is supposed to bitstream, but I have also read that it does not. (I guess I should bring one home from work to check it out..) As far as movie playback I have never had any complaints from our customers who bought one.

I would say keep the A35 or cut your losses and sell it all. Im having a hard time wanting to get rid of my movies I bought on HD DVD. So I know that wouldn't be an easy decision.
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
So get the LG? I read mixed reviews... is the march firmware taking care of these issues?

Does the LG pass the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA HD sound?

Does it skip and freeze on HD DVD movies... some says it does.

Does it have the interactive menu's both on Blu ray (profile 1.1) and HD DVD (HDi)?

I do not know much about the LG. Does the March firmware correct these issues?

Let me know.

Thank you for the suggestion... but please give me a mini review of that model, please.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1009104

It internally decodes multichannel Dolby TrueHD and sends it as PCM over HDMI. The Panny BD30 won't do this!

It will bitstream (sigh) DTS-MA to be decoded by your receiver/pre-amp.

AFAIK, the skipping and freezing is a thing of the past.

Menus are still buggy on a few select discs. However, HDI works now.

One thing is that the March firmware was allegedly a beta update that got pulled from the official download site. However, it is readily available if you want it. ;)

Playback problems? Pick any Samsung Blu-Ray or combo player. :mad:
 
rgriffin25

rgriffin25

Moderator
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1009104

It internally decodes multichannel Dolby TrueHD and sends it as PCM over HDMI. The Panny BD30 won't do this!

It will bitstream (sigh) DTS-MA to be decoded by your receiver/pre-amp.

AFAIK, the skipping and freezing is a thing of the past.

Menus are still buggy on a few select discs. However, HDI works now.

One thing is that the March firmware was allegedly a beta update that got pulled from the official download site. However, it is readily available if you want it. ;)

Playback problems? Pick any Samsung Blu-Ray or combo player. :mad:
It only outputs Dolby TrueHD 2.0 via PCM
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I would just get the Best Buy store credit and wait for a better newer blu ray player to come out in the future. In the meantime if you have HD DVDs you want to watch, you can find dirt cheap HD-A2's all over the place, as long as you can deal with it only outputting up to 1080i.
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
It only outputs Dolby TrueHD 2.0 via PCM
The March firmware fixed this on the LG BH200. Several confirmed it. I would confirm it myself, but I keep getting outbid in my attempts to get one. :p
 
2

20Glove

Audioholic
The March firmware fixed this on the LG BH200. Several confirmed it. I would confirm it myself, but I keep getting outbid in my attempts to get one. :p
So are you saying the new firmware update now outputs Dolby TrueHD in a 5.1 format?

Let me know.
 
rgriffin25

rgriffin25

Moderator
The March firmware fixed this on the LG BH200. Several confirmed it. I would confirm it myself, but I keep getting outbid in my attempts to get one. :p
That would be great! I always felt frustrated with LG's combo players. So close to a good thing, only to have minor flaws. Could you link to the Firmware info?
 
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The Dukester

Audioholic Chief
That would be great! I always felt frustrated with LG's combo players. So close to a good thing, only to have minor flaws. Could you link to the Firmware info?
This ort (good ol Southern word) to tell you all you want to know about the LG player and firmwares with links. Note that the firmware fix for the lossless audio, etc, has been pulled from LG's site. It is commonly believed that it was a Beta test. It is supposed to come out again for good in May, just like the Samsung fix.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1009104
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
When I talked to Toshiba... the unit is downloaded with the firmware 1.1... not 1.3... so movies like Transformers, 300, and Shooter will not even play with 1.1... do not know what other movies will not play with 1.1 but I know those 3 for a fact will not play.

So I still have to download the firmware, which I cannot get 1.3 anymore... it will be 2.0 I believe.
You can still get the firmware ver. 1.3, I think I have the link. The A35 has good audio capability, it will be a pity to give it up.
 
2

20Glove

Audioholic
You can still get the firmware ver. 1.3, I think I have the link. The A35 has good audio capability, it will be a pity to give it up.
So are you saying A35 over LG200?

I am going back and forth over this and I am unsure what to do. I do not want audio dropouts, picture freezes, and I want Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD in 5.1 - 7.1 not 2.0.

So what to do?

OR just go with the Xbox HD DVD player which is down to $50 most places and then get credit from BB and wait for new Sony 501 blue ray player.

So really A35 or LG200? (Above you will see what I want).

Let me know.
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
Ok,

As some of you know my Toshiba HD-A35 bricked out after a firmware update on 3-28-08.

Well here are my options.... (at the end I will tell you why my options are this, but want to make sure I get answered).

Ok options... I can ship it back to Toshiba and receive a brand new HD-A35 still in the box?

Or I can have Best Buy give me a store credit for the full amount (since they do not have parts to fix this system anymore) and use that credit to buy a blu ray player... was thinking since I still have HD DVD movies I would go with the Samsung BD-UP5000.
Take the replacement from Toshiba....pass on the dual format player. (another soon to be extinct dinosaur)

Buy a stand alone BD player when you're ready to spend the money on a new player.

my 2 cents
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
So are you saying A35 over LG200?
The A35 is a very decent machine, keep it unless you can get a full refund, then it would depend on how many HD DVDs you currently own.
You can always buy a BD (Profile 2.0) or PS3 if you do not have one already, whenever you feel the time is right.
 
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