The Thread to complain about the subwoofer shootout hijack thread

[craigsub]

It seems we need to be able to let off some steam about the Subwoofer Shootout HiJack thread.

Please feel free to post any problems with the Hijack thread here.

 

[ssabripo]

I'll start craig....

1. where are the pics your wife was supposed to take? I just saw those two you posted a couple of days ago!

2. seems like the fishing trips have started again...."IM distortion is worst on high excursion drivers", "Dr.Hsu told ME yada yada yada, so it must be bible", "I have no clue what I'm saying, but I read some papers and now I "is" a guru on this subject",

, etc......... I know for the most part you don't buy into all of that, but it would be nice to see how you feel about the subjects that your groupie (yes, I know...its sad. Not your fault at all, btw, but I guess that's what happens when you are good ) is bringing up and twisting around.

ps- any hints on do's and don'ts using the 1/24 sweeps in RTA? Chuck is making a nice hookup cable for the SPL/Mic/PreAmp/etc to go to the soundcard, and we will do some measurements next week. I'll shoot you some info.

 

[fergusonv]

My only problem with any of this is Iikka has made no real contributions to this site and only comes here to criticize Craig (which he does on AVS on a regular basis and it's obviously personal). As far as how the testing is being done by Craig, I have no complaints, he is not getting paid, he is not in a lab enviroment and he appears to be doing the best he can and whatever subs he compares whether it be SVS, Axiom or whatever is his buisness and not everyone elses to criticize. If a person does not want to compare ABC to XYZ then who are we to tell them they should be, are we paying them for the time to do the test or review? No.

And ssabripo by the way, no offense intended but I'm glad to see you've not posted any half naked women on this site (I browse at work and at home with a child) so thanks!

 

[jmprader]

I'll start craig....
... Chuck is making a nice hookup cable for the SPL/Mic/PreAmp/etc to go to the soundcard, and we will do some measurements next week. I'll shoot you some info.

Share that fun stuff with the rest of us, will you? State of the art testing conditions or no, it will be interesting to see some basic info to weigh the benefits vs issues of DIY approaches.

 

[BMO]

I'm not buying a new sub,but am intrested in the turbo.SVS is not ready to give up any part of the market for any reason.
" Why tell the truth when a lie serves your purpose better"" If you don't like the message, kill the messagenger"
This is how I see things played out any time Hsu is mentioned.
I feel for you and your efforts. At first I thought it would be smooth sailing for your review. Reading the venomus attacks over at AVS was a joke. Once I saw a few SVS assasins come over to Audioholics I knew they were testing the waters for a full on attack. Well it happened and now I have to wait even longer for a review.
I'm not a technical person, I don't care about graps or how one interpets them. To me they are just lines that can be interpeted anyway one wants too.I just want to know which sub sounded better and why. ( to the ears, not a piece of paper)
Thanks for your efforts
Bill Odom

 

[Manic Miner]

I think it is a bit strange that Ilkka was sent of the playing field for "personal attacks", when Craig was not. Craig managed to cram in more personal attacks in a single post then Ilkka in 10.

Oh well, in the words of Tarzan "Kreegah Bundulo!"

 

[---k---]

If I came to your house and grabbed a soda out of your fridge, shook it up, and then opened it in your closet, ruining all off your clothes. Would you be pissed off at the soda which exploded when shook up, or would you be pissed off at the person doing the shaking?

Craig can be a hot head when provoked. See my post to see why I beleive that Illka was doing nothing but provoking: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166360&postcount=149

Let me know if you disagree. Because, I think this clearly shows it. Maybe I'm missing somethign.

 

[Manic Miner]

I've started a new thread: "Who's your subwoofer Guru?"

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166368#post166368

Have a look, maybe we could start some subwoofer religions?

 

[Manic Miner]

If I came to your house and grabbed a soda out of your fridge, shook it up, and then opened it in your closet, ruining all off your clothes. Would you be pissed off at the soda which exploded when shook up, or would you be pissed off at the person doing the shaking?

Craig can be a hot head when provoked. See my post to see why I beleive that Illka was doing nothing but provoking: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166360&postcount=149

Let me know if you disagree. Because, I think this clearly shows it. Maybe I'm missing somethign.

I don't think Ilkka meant to cause any trouble, and the last thing he did before he got booted was to say he was sorry for his behaviour (that opst got deleted)

But he and Craig do have a history of jumping each others throats given half a chance. I think that part of Ilkkas problem is that english isn't his first language (I would guess it's his 3rd), and I know myself that it can be hard to be subtle in a foreign language. Simply put you only know how to say if something is "bad" or "good", and nothing of what's in between.

I do not disagree, he could have asked nicely first. But Craig could also have stated that the graphs were an estimate average of 50 measurements to begin with

 

[Audioholics]

This thread makes me laugh. I'm still learning all of your personalities but will admit right now that I will take guilty pleasure in the inevitable banning of "those who probably know who they are". Once I get a handle on things the bannings will begin. Just a friendly heads up.

 

[Tom Andry]

Ooo.. Ooo.. Let me help. I never get to ban ANYONE and I SO WANT TO!

Seriously, this whole thing has got me all irritated. What, is there a full moon out? Something in the water?

 

[Manic Miner]

Hehe, you have just been invaded by the best of the worst from AVS (Bott is probably a happy man today)

Could you do a "most likly to be banned" top 10 list, and maybe see who manages to hold on to the top spot without getting booted for the longest time?

 

[---k---]

I know! It is the car accident along side the highway that we all can't take our eyes off of. I keep asking myself what it says about us, that we are more interested in talking about who pissed on whom first rather than the speakers and subs themselves. But it happens time after time. It takes differnt shapes and forms, but it is everywhere. And for some reason, I keep coming back for more. I think I need help. I've never been able to take my eyes off the car accident.

 

[ssabripo]

Share that fun stuff with the rest of us, will you? State of the art testing conditions or no, it will be interesting to see some basic info to weigh the benefits vs issues of DIY approaches.

absolutely! This is as much as a learning process and interesting "research" for me as it may be for many out there considering DIY! There are some hard core believers of DIY being the end-all-be-all, and for sure it has HUGE benefits, but it is not for everyone.

Subjectively my DIY Av15 is doing very well, but I definitely want to take a look at it objectively and see what hard data shows

I'll keep you posted...

 

[Johnd]

While I agree that the utter nonsense that took place has no place here, why waste valuable time and energy regurgitating it? The continuance of this thread will serve only to attract more like-minded posters. Do any of you really want to do that? Just my $0.02 for the day.

Next time, let us identify the miscreant(s) quickly, so as to terminate this stuff sooner.
At the risk of being redundant, I'm going to paste this same post on the other redundant thread. Peace.

 

[---k---]

DIY sucks!
How much is your time worth to you? I get paid like $20,000.00/hour and even after a lot of practice, it would take me like 12 hours to build the sub, not to mention the 60 or so hours that it would take me to research what the best driver and amp to use was. That's like $1,440,000 it would cost in just build the sub. I could buy like 72 SVS Ultras for that! In my 10'x'13' room, only 72 SVS subs could get me the bass I'm looking for. No way would one DIY sub do it.

And do you really think that you can build a better sub than SVS? They've been doing this for like 30 years! They have so much research invested in this. And it isn't just them, they got the best TC drivers, and all of TC's research. And they got Bash amps. There is no way that any DIY can compete with that.

And don't get me started about IB. What a joke! Cut a whole in your wall and put drives in garage? Yeah, like that would work. The mice in my garage would eat the drivers for lunch! And, how the heck do you change the tune of the sub? I can have my choice of 12hz, 16hz, or 20hz. You can't do that with a IB!

HA! You Suck!



Note that is a joke. See my twins: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showpost.php4?p=228946&postcount=1

 

[jmprader]

It seems we need to be able to let off some steam about the Subwoofer Shootout HiJack thread.

Please feel free to post any problems with the Hijack thread here.

My biggest complaint is the quiet, non-public and civil way in which ***** was removed from the forum. I would have preferred the mod's engage in a little public humiliation, ridicule and placement of big red x's over the litany of posts before the banishment. Furthermore, the inclusion of a "Hall of Shame" posting on the homepage listing a personal e-mail address would be just-desserts.

No, better yet, perhaps this would have been the proper approach:

http://sugarman.users.ftech.net/spaninqu.wav

 

[RMK!]

Ooo.. Ooo.. Let me help. I never get to ban ANYONE and I SO WANT TO!

Seriously, this whole thing has got me all irritated. What, is there a full moon out? Something in the water?

OK Tom, you can ban me.

 

[furrycute]

DIY sucks!
How much is your time worth to you? I get paid like $20,000.00/hour

$20K/hr? What kind of work do you do?

If you work an 8hr, 5day job like the rest of us do, let's see,

20,000 x 8 x 5 x 4 x 10 = $32,000,000

That's $32 million a year! Seriously, are you the chairman of a large international company? Because that's about the only way you can make that much money.

I didn't know multimillionaires frequent audioholics. Man, the kind of HT setup you must have at home...