The State of the Blu-ray and HD-DVD Battle

It has been two-and-a-half years since next generation DVD was first announced (actually CES of 2003) by Sony. To regain its position as the 'guides to the future', the DVD Forum adopted a different blue ray technology approach: AOD (now known as HD-DVD) and thus, even before present DVD products had gained widespread use, the warlords battle for royalties began anew. While the two "standards" share blue laser technology - featuring a shorter wavelength and a more precise ability to focus the laser - there are enough differences to make it obvious to even the most casual Tech Watch reader to realize that a compromise solution will be difficult.

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Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

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(Microsoft recently endorsed HD-DVD for the Xbox 360)
When did that happen? Xbox.com still has it only supporting low-def DVD.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja said:
When did that happen? Xbox.com still has it only supporting low-def DVD.
I'm pretty certain he committed to it a few months ago - but not with a timeline. In fact the first generation players will still only have standard DVD drives (likely why the site shows this). It is ultimately a "may do this" statement made by Bill gates while at a conference in Japan:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Microsoft-Toshiba-HD-DVD-Alliance-Changes-Xbox-360-3902.shtml
 
HookedOnSound

HookedOnSound

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DRM will be the scurge of the earth

I'm thinking that they are going to make all this so complicated that it will ultimately kill consumer products with incompatibilities. Someone would be crazy to buy something only to become useless 2 years later...

I can see how this will ultimately solidify the eventual integration of a Multimedia PC (with Internet connection) into the every HT setup. A generic box with the capability of adapting through the changes (updates, etc) unlike a DVD player.

Bill Gates is winning I tell ya! arghhhhh!
 
El Pollo

El Pollo

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However if you have an HDTV set with 780p and 1080p/i video viewing you may be persuaded to "need" blue laser recording.
Slight edit needed, or new crazy format I don't know about. 780p?
 
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BGLeduc

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The solution for the consumer is simple: Do Not Buy These Products. Period.

I have amassed a decent library of DVD's (maybe 250 titles) that look spectacular via my Denon 3910 and Pioneer 533 HD.

While true HD content, such as live sports, looks astounding, I agree 100% with the gist of your comment that while VHS to DVD was a huge leap easily seen, DVD to HD (at least for well produced DVD's) is not such a quantum leap.

One thing I did not see in your editorial is the fact that there will be no HD-DVD or BluRay via component outputs. Having an HD Ready, component only set that is only 2 1/2 years old, I am NOT going to replace it for years to come.

These technologies will be still born. Between the format war and the draconian IP restirctions, only those that have money to burn will purchase these players. If for one am going to vote with my wallet, and sit this one out.

Brian

PS: The current WSR has a series of articles that cover the IP stuff in great detail, and there is an editorial calling for a concerted effort to bring the studios and the technology companies to their senses.
 
goodman

goodman

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BGLeduc said:
The solution for the consumer is simple: Do Not Buy These Products. Period.... I for one am going to vote with my wallet, and sit this one out....
I'm casting my vote the same way. They are screwing every owner of an HD-ready receiver purchased in the past seven or eight years, because we cannot input video through DVI or HDMI. I have two HD-ready receivers, one of which was expensive. There must be millions of us.
 
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terror_beast

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For trying to get things "right" this generation, there seems to be more going wrong than ever. Let's leave aside the format war. We all know it is bad and so do the two camps. But let's just imagine there were only one format coming out.

For the 10 or 12 million (or whatever the number is) HD-monitor owners, HD discs still leave us with far too many problems. And for the hundreds of millions of people who do NOT have a HD-monitor, are they really going to scramble to get HD discs that won't look one little bit better than DVD on their SD monitors?

DVD was so clearly better than VHS. The picture and sound were an obvious improvement to absolutely anyone. And the difference was noticable, even on a regular old CRT 480i display using only the built in speakers. Then if you had a 480p or HD display and surround sound, it was leagues ahead of VHS. Plus, no rewinding :)

But to see or hear any difference from DVD to HD discs, people MUST buy a HD-monitor and a 7.1 surround sound system. Going from VHS to DVD meant about $200 for a player, and now it can mean $20 for the cheapest budget DVD players.

HD discs mean $500 (or more probably) for a new player PLUS thousands for a HD Monitor and at least another thousand for a 7.1 surround sound system. That's a real investment.

The simple fact is, DVD was too good. Even on a HD monitor with a 7.1 sound system, it nearly matches the potential of the system. HD discs only matter to the people who have already shelled out the thousands of dollars to get this setup, but I KNOW (it's not even a doubt) that the VAST majority of people will not spend this kind of money when DVD is so good already.

Now add the fact that DVD's can be so easily copied while HD discs are going to require a strip search before you can press play. I don't agree with studios getting paid nothing for a movie. That clearly isn't fair. But they've been ripping us off for years with over-inflated prices at the box office and for DVDs - so I'm not shedding any tears for their "lost revenue from piracy". And speaking of this "lost revenue" and how "piracy costs the movie industry billions of dollars every year". If that's really the case, then why is it that every single year, revenue and profits are larger than the previous year? Hollywood isn't even close to losing money. They're just upset that they only got a pint of blood from the stone rather than a gallon.

HD discs are a farce and Hollywood deserves what they are getting. DVD is hear to stay and that bugs them because we can copy them now. Maybe if they drop the price from the stupid high $20 mark to something like $8, they won't have to worry about piracy so much. I know I'd buy most movies if they were $8 or less at retail, just for the nice cover alone!

And that's really all that's going to happen. Blu-ray could end up hurting the PS3 more than the PS3 helps Blu-ray. Microsoft was very smart to stick with DVD for now.

To be honest, HD content is going to find it's distribution channel with mega speed internet and WMV-HD. Go online, download a movie to your PC. That's what's going to work.

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howie85

howie85

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Upgrade???

Are you tellin me that all this will create a need for me to upgrade????????? Hmmmm :rolleyes: I guess it can't be all bad then can it? :p
 
Audiosouse

Audiosouse

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What what what!

terror_beast said:
HD discs are a farce and Hollywood deserves what they are getting. DVD is hear to stay and that bugs them because we can copy them now. Maybe if they drop the price from the stupid high $20 mark to something like $8, they won't have to worry about piracy so much. I know I'd buy most movies if they were $8 or less at retail, just for the nice cover alone!
Amen brother!

Price is the deciding factor between mass market acceptance (DVD) and audiophile frippery (SACD, DVD Audio). Dual Disc, IMO, is the best option for music. Marginally more than a CD and ability to play on hardware people already own (Digital Receiver and DVD player).

"Both sides like (Hollywood loves) Advanced Access Control System (AACS) which requires your player to maintain connections to the content provider thru the Internet... The provider will simply send the player a "self-destruct code" ROM update that will (make your player) become unusable until you meekly take the unit into a service center and a repair technician reprograms the player. In addition, there's some concern that your entire library of discs that were encoded with the broken security may also be added to a black list and be rendered unplayable."

If this is true, they have totally lost their minds. Nobody with half a brain or an ounce of common sense would buy a component that must be connnected to a big corporation and allowed them to nuke your hardware. NOOOOO-BODY!

Piracy is a revolt against corporate greed and crap product, which I wholly support. Raising prices and hardcore legal action only increase it. When the studios bring DVD prices well below $10, very few will go out of their way to download a crappy, incomplete pirated copy when a perfect new in box is so affordable. The DVD model has proven when prices are low for both player and media it gains wide spread penetration and acceptance very quickly. Once economies of scale kick in, profit margins increase exponentially even while reducing prices. Those Japs sure know they're stuff.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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I am not too worried about their efforts for controlling what people do with their players. Even if they do such stupid things as “self-destruct codes” (which will reduce sales, which is counterproductive), there is a good chance that some Chinese company will make a player that will enable you to get around such things (and you will be able to buy it on the Internet, if not locally). Before I purchased my latest DVD player, I researched the matter to make sure I could watch DVDs from any region, and could properly convert between PAL and NTSC. I ended up with a Sampo DVE-612(N), which does all that I need it to do. I bought it online, as I have never seen one in a store. And when I bought it, it was one of the least expensive models available.

Any manufacturer who wants my money will need to make a player that adequately deals with such issues. And as there are enough others who feel the same way, I expect that some manufacturer will come up with something for such a lucrative market.

As for claims that the security will be "perfect", that is, as always, a ridiculous claim. For the disc to be usable at all, it must be possible to get the information off of it. So it will be possible to do things with it that Hollywood may not like.
 
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