The Marantz "Cinema Series" "2022-2023" AV Pre-Launch Thread

[multisport4me]

Hey @gene any timeline on your AV10 results? Looking forward to them.

Crickets.

I hope this doesn't mean there were problems with the testing and instead Gene is just thoroughly testing both the AV10 and AMP10?

 

[TLEW]

Crickets.

I hope this doesn't mean there were problems with the testing and instead Gene is just thoroughly testing both the AV10 and AMP10?

I'm lucky to have the AV10 and its pretty awesome. I bet the numbers come back very positive.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I'm lucky to have the AV10 and its pretty awesome. I bet the numbers come back very positive.

I don't think Gene or anyone has formally posted the measurements yet. But it probably has been leaked since a friend of mine who is about to get the AV10/AMP10 texted me these with actual pictures and graphs.

AV10: 0.00048% THD+N, SINAD 106dB
AMP10: 0.001%, SINAD 96dB

 

[multisport4me]

I don't think Gene or anyone has formally posted the measurements yet. But it probably has been leaked since a friend of mine texted me these with actual pictures and graphs.

AV10: 0.00048% THD+N, SINAD 106dB
AMP10: 0.001%, SINAD 96dB

Aren't those just the graphs and measurements from the Masimo training video on the AV10/AMP10 ?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Aren't those just the graphs and measurements from the Masimo training video on the AV10/AMP10 ?

I didn't see the Masimo video, so I don't know.

 

[multisport4me]

Aren't those just the graphs and measurements from the Masimo training video on the AV10/AMP10 ?

20:46 and 43:09

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

20:46 and 43:09

I see. Well, so Masimo/Marantz did measure the AV10/AMP10. Hopefully, ASR and AH measurements will confirm these numbers.

 

[gene]

Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor Bench Test Results

The Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor produced excellent bench test results. This $7K AVP has bass management features no other competitor has at this price. We thoroughly test to show you how it works.

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I got 96dB SINAD and they didn't dispute my results. I'm working w Marantz to see how I can replicate their 106dB result.

 

[ban25]

Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor Bench Test Results

The Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor produced excellent bench test results. This $7K AVP has bass management features no other competitor has at this price. We thoroughly test to show you how it works.

www.audioholics.com

I got 96dB SINAD and they didn't dispute my results. I'm working w Marantz to see how I can replicate their 106dB result.

There is a "Benchmark" DAC Filter buried in the options that may measure better than the default slow filter.

 

[PENG]

There is a "Benchmark" DAC Filter buried in the options that may measure better than the default slow filter.

Gene already confirmed he used the filter 2, that would be the sharp roll off filter, for the best measurements.

 

[gene]

My test report is updated with the corrected SINAD #s. Now hopefully I can get some sleep.

Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor Bench Test Results

The Marantz AV 10 15.4CH 8K AV Processor produced excellent bench test results. This $7K AVP has bass management features no other competitor has at this price. We thoroughly test to show you how it works.

www.audioholics.com

 

[EpsilonZer0]

I think the AV10 is a good future proof buy for those that replace their preamp every 10 years. We are just barely scratching the surface of 8K content and streaming atmos content is still not mixed for more than 11.2 channels currently. My Onkyo PR-RZ5100 pre/pro with its 11.2 channels and 4K HDR from 2016 is getting a little long in the tooth now but I think it has 3 more years in it. By then I think the AV10 will still be the one to beat and I can probably get it with all the Dirac software included by that time. Marantz built hell of a system and I am looking forward to see how their competitors will answer if at all.

 

[gene]

 

[tculverjames]

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2022-2023 Marantz Cinema Series


Stereo 70s......Replaces NR1200.....Expected Q4 2023

Cinema 70s....Replaces NR1711.....Expected Q4 2022

Cinema 60......Replaces SR5015.....Expected Q4 2022

Cinema 50......Replaces SR6015.....Expected Q4 2022

Cinema 40......Replaces SR7015.....Expected Q3 2023

AV 10 + AMP 10 are the New Flagship Separates.....Expected Q3 2023

Further additions and updates..........Expected 2024

-“S” denotes the slimline
-“Stereo”, “Cinema”, “AV”, and “AMP” are the new naming conventions
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Things that you may notice at first glance
-New Target Markets and Marketing Strategies
-New design step-up by price point, but all materials are premium
-HDAM SA-2
-Marantz logo on the Power Transformer
-New Premium Remote
-New HD GUI is now called “Marantz Teal”
-Keeping the Porthole
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New Features
-CINEMA Series includes these plus many more new improvements and technology
• CINEMA 40 and above are made in Shirakawa
• Up to 4 independent subwoofer outputs (Cinema 50 and above have 4 independent Sub outputs, the others have two)
• Up to 7 native 8K inputs
• Dual subwoofer modes for better blending with main channels (cinema 50 and above)
• Preamp mode shuts off internal amps (all models)
• Dirac Live permits the most advanced room correction suite on the market (Cinema 50 and above)
• Across the board improvements in audio performance (all models)
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New and Improved AVR Experience
• 8K, Dynamic HDR content through AVR to 8K TVs – Improved – No. Of 8K/60 inputs increases, depends by model
• 4K HDR, Dolby Vision content through AVR to 4K TVs and projectors.
• Latency free gaming experience with the latest gaming consoles with higher frame rate, variable refresh rate and auto low latency mode
• Dolby Atmos, DTS:X objected based 3D sound formats up to 15.4 channel speaker configurations such as 9.4.6 Dolby Atmos/DTS:X pro layout (AV10 only)
• Enjoy most powerful, room-filling LFE performance up to 4 subwoofer connections – New
• Enjoy IMAX theater experience at home with IMAX Enhanced content
• Thanks to Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization and DTS Virtual:X technologies, enjoy 3D audio experience only from floor level speakers as small as 2.1 setup
• Enthusiasts, music lovers can enjoy Auro 3D content as well as Auro-Matic up-mixing up to 13.1 channel (7.4.6) out of box.
• Take advantage of built-in Audyssey room calibration and EQ technology to optimize room acoustics out of box, customize further via the Audyssey MultEQ editor app.
• More advanced users can take full advantage of “Dirac Live” upgradability for more professional and remote calibration through PC or smart devices – New AV10, C30,40,50
• Connect more powerful external amplifiers for all channel or your desired channels with least interference from internal amplification thanks to PreAmplifier mode or Pre-out only option for each speaker channel – New
• Enjoy single HDMI connection from AVR to the TV for TV Audio. Take uncompressed 3D audio from TV apps to the AVR through eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel).
• All supported by excellent audio quality thoroughly tuned by Denon and Marantz sound masters.
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Cinema 70s
7.2 Channel 50W Slimline AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 set up
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Slim form allows for easier installation in media consoles and racks
- Replaces NR1711

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 7.2 channel, 50w per channel AV Receiver. 7.2 channel preouts
- 6/1 HDMI input/output, 3 inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X
- Audyssey MultEQ
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Luxury industrial design

Change from NR1711
• New back panel printing design
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 3)
• Remove the Component Video in/out and the Video in/Out
• Add the 7.2ch PRE out

(SRP) US $1200 / CA $1600

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Cinema 60
7.2 Channel 100W AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 setup
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Replaces SR5015

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 7.2 channel, 100w per channel AV Receiver. 7.2 channel preouts
- 6/2 HDMI input/output, 3 inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X
- Audyssey MultEQ XT
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Marantz HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design

Changes from SR5015
• New back panel printing design
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 3)
• Remove the Component Video in/out and the Video in/Out

(SRP) US $1700 / CA $2200

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Cinema 50
9.4 Channel 110W AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 set up
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Replaces SR6015

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 9.4 channel, 110w per channel AV Receiver. 11.4 channel preouts
- 6/3 HDMI input/output, all inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro 3D
- Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dirac Live upgradable
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Marantz HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design

Changes from SR6015
• New back panel printing design
• Decreased the “HDMI IN” terminals (7 => 6)
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 6)
• Increased the “SUBWOOFER” terminals (2 => 4)
• Remove the Component Video in/out and the Video in/Out and the 7.1 ch in

(SRP) US $2500 / CA $3300

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Cinema 40
9.4 Channel 125W AV Receiver

Summary
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape, even with a 2.1 setup
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer
- Replaces SR7015

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 9.4 channel, 125w per channel AV Receiver. 11.4 channel preouts
- 7/3 HDMI input/output, all inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough.
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro 3D
- Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dirac Live upgradable
- Pre-amp mode for each channel, allowing greater customization
- Marantz HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design
- Made in Shirakawa Audio Works, Japan

Change from SR7015
• New back panel printing design
• Increase the “TRIGGER OUT” terminals (2 => 3)
• Increased the “8K HDMI IN” terminals (1 => 7)
• Increased the “SUBWOOFER” terminals (2 => 4)
• Remove the Component Video in/out

(SRP) US $3500 / CA $4500

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AV 10
15.4 Channel AV Pre Amplifier

Summary
- The most powerful and customizable system to create your ultimate Home Theater
- Latest A/V formats for pristine picture quality and best immersive sound experience
- Powerful, immersive 3D soundscape
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer

Specs / New Feature Enhancements
- 15.4 channel processing with advanced bass management. 4 subwoofer connections
- 7/3 HDMI input/output, all inputs supporting 8K / 60Hz and 4K / 120Hz passthrough
- Modern, high resolution TV Graphical User Interface for 4K/8K TVs
- Dolby Atmos, DTS:X Pro, IMAX Enhanced, Auro 3D
- Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Dirac Live upgradable
- Toroidal Power Transformer, 19 channel monolithic HDAM design
- Luxury industrial design
- Made in Shirakawa Audio Works, Japan
- 1 colorway

(SRP) US $7000 / CA $9000

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AMP 10
16 Channel 200W Power Amplifier

Summary
- The most powerful and customizable system to create your ultimate Home Theater
- Made with the installer in mind for ease of installation and management for the High End / Luxury consumer

Key Specs & Technologies
- 16-channel power amplifier with newly developed Class D amplification
- 200W + 200W at 8ohms, 1kHz, 2 channel driven
- 400W + 400W at 8ohms, 1kHz, 2 channel driven at BTL (Bridge-Tied Load)
- 16 channel XLR/RCA inputs mypascoconnect login
- Toroidal Power Transformer. Marantz HDAM design. Porthole analog level meter
- Luxury industrial design
- Made in Shirakawa Audio Works, Japan
- 1 colorway

(SRP) US $7000 / CA $9000

I'm having issues when running my Xbox One S through my Marantz SR5010.

My setup is as follows:

TV- Sony XBR75x940D
Receiver- Marantz SR5010
Console- Xbox One & Xbox One S

When I upgraded to the Xbox One S for the 4k & HDR capabilities. I found that once I tried running it through the receiver I would get a (No signal detected on the Sony). I've taken the Xbox One S and plugged it directly into the Tv. I was able to run the Xbox One S with full 4k and HDR enabled no issues.

According to Marantz specs it's capable of the following: "With 8 HDMI inputs supporting HDCP 2.2 and 4K Ultra HD Full Rate with HDR and BT.2020 support, the SR5010 features an advanced video processing system with 4K upscaling"

Any advise?

Any advise welcomed.

 

[Epsonfan]

On Sony OLED the No4 HDMI input for gaming enhanced signal format , not sure about the TV- Sony XBR75x940D
most gamer use VRR HDMI Enhanced directly on the sony instead receiver

 

[ban25]

I'm having issues when running my Xbox One S through my Marantz SR5010.

My setup is as follows:

TV- Sony XBR75x940D
Receiver- Marantz SR5010
Console- Xbox One & Xbox One S

When I upgraded to the Xbox One S for the 4k & HDR capabilities. I found that once I tried running it through the receiver I would get a (No signal detected on the Sony). I've taken the Xbox One S and plugged it directly into the Tv. I was able to run the Xbox One S with full 4k and HDR enabled no issues.

According to Marantz specs it's capable of the following: "With 8 HDMI inputs supporting HDCP 2.2 and 4K Ultra HD Full Rate with HDR and BT.2020 support, the SR5010 features an advanced video processing system with 4K upscaling"

Any advise?

Any advise welcomed.

It looks like the SR5010 only supports 4K30, so it is going to be unsuitable for games. You are better off plugging the console directly into a 4K60/4K120 compatible input on your TV with the appropriate HDMI 2.1 cable.

 

[EBN]

Any updates or leaks about Cinema 30 model now that Denon X6800H @ 3500$ is announced? Disappointing to see not much has changed other than the extra sub channels and dirac support. X6700H went for 1600$ few days ago.

AVR-X6800H - 8K video and 3D audio experience from an 11.4 channel receiver. | Denon - US

The AVR-X6800H 8K video and 3D audio experience from an 11.4 channel receiver. from Denon provides high quality audio for your hi-fi needs. Explore more AV Receivers at Denon - US.

www.denon.com

Details Emerge on Denon's AVR-X6800H with 11.4 Channels

Denon has revealed its newest audio/video receiver, the AVR-X6800H, which is built to the highest standards in Japan. The device incorporates a comprehensive range of audio and video technologies, aiming to be the cornerstone of a high-end home theater system. Features The AVR-X6800H provides...

www.avsforum.com

 

[dlaloum]

Any updates or leaks about Cinema 30 model now that Denon X6800H @ 3500$ is announced? Disappointing to see not much has changed other than the extra sub channels and dirac support. X6700H went for 1600$ few days ago.

AVR-X6800H - 8K video and 3D audio experience from an 11.4 channel receiver. | Denon - US

The AVR-X6800H 8K video and 3D audio experience from an 11.4 channel receiver. from Denon provides high quality audio for your hi-fi needs. Explore more AV Receivers at Denon - US.

www.denon.com

Details Emerge on Denon's AVR-X6800H with 11.4 Channels

Denon has revealed its newest audio/video receiver, the AVR-X6800H, which is built to the highest standards in Japan. The device incorporates a comprehensive range of audio and video technologies, aiming to be the cornerstone of a high-end home theater system. Features The AVR-X6800H provides...

www.avsforum.com

Well, Massimo shareholders were complaining that the margins were too low, so all pricing has risen... in addition to inflation impact.

The competition at this level of performance is the Onkyo RZ70 (and its siblings) priced at US$3000 (roughly) - having the X6800 come in at US$3500 seems right on target.

We won't know what street price ends up as, until it has been out for a few months...

 

[Theetjuh]

With an additional price of Dirac Live at $349 it comes close to $4k and I got my RZ70 for €2599 ... so quite a difference.

 

[Kvn_Walker]

Looks like the Stereo 70s came out after all. So for $1000, you're basically getting a fancier looking NR1200 that supports 8K/60Hz and 4K/120Hz. All the NR1200's shortcomings remain. No high-pass filter for the mains if using a sub. No bass calibration software.

Marantz Stereo 70s

Slimline stereo receiver with built-in Wi-Fi®, Bluetooth®, Apple® AirPlay® 2, HDMI, and HEOS Built-in

www.crutchfield.com

They had 3 or 4 years to improve the core functionality of this model, and did nothing. What a joke. On the plus side, the NR1200 has dropped in price, if you don't need 8K.