The Best Speaker Setup $400 Can Buy

ehead

ehead

Enthusiast
Hee hee ... I realize that is pocket change compared to what some of you guys spend on speakers ... but, what can I do with $400 bucks (or thereabouts) ? Any recommendations ?

Maybe I can get some alright fronts with descent bass, or possibly a 2.1 setup ?

90% of the time I will be listening to music, so that is most important to me.
I listen to jazz and indie rock mainly, but autechre and some electronica bands kick in the bass sometimes. But I'm not a homeboy, for whom bass would be king of course.

I have a new Yamaha HTR-5860.

cheers,
e

p.s
On another note, my apartment was broken into yesterday and they didn't take a damn thing ! My yammy is right by the door too .... what luck. I'm thinking a neighbor came home and spooked em off.
 
patnshan

patnshan

Senior Audioholic
ehead said:
Hee hee ... I realize that is pocket change compared to what some of you guys spend on speakers ... but, what can I do with $400 bucks (or thereabouts) ? Any recommendations ?

Maybe I can get some alright fronts with descent bass, or possibly a 2.1 setup ?

90% of the time I will be listening to music, so that is most important to me.
I listen to jazz and indie rock mainly, but autechre and some electronica bands kick in the bass sometimes. But I'm not a homeboy, for whom bass would be king of course.

I have a new Yamaha HTR-5860.

cheers,
e

p.s
On another note, my apartment was broken into yesterday and they didn't take a damn thing ! My yammy is right by the door too .... what luck. I'm thinking a neighbor came home and spooked em off.
For $400 you could get a cheap 5.1 system if you try real hard. I think you could get the Hsu Ventriloquist + the STF-1 for close to that. That is internet direct only. Most of the other sets are at least $700.

What I would do is look at getting a pair of decent floor standers such as these JBL's:

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Code=JBL+E90&JRSource=GAW.campaignname

I would look for some towers that have good bass, negating the need for a sub right away. I think everybody needs a sub someday, but you could wait if you get "full" range speakers. In addition to the JBL's, take a listen to polks and infinity in your price range. I think 2 towers is very doable. If you are going to do a lot of HT, you would need a center or do a phantom center with the towers.
Good luck,

Pat
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The Athena Micra 6 in black is on sale at Best Buy for $300 and the Point 5 MkII system is on sale at OneCall for just $200: here. You'll need to add a sub to the Point 5, but there are subs out there in the $100-250 range that should fit your needs.
 
brian32672

brian32672

Banned
As for the other recommendations (I know nothing about them, other than what I listened to in the store), I do not know if those people have had them in their house and was able to set them up correctly. Also to listen to them for more than a day.
I have (they are now for sale, due to upgrade) a Fluance set. And for bass, they have more bass than my Acoustech's. They also have pretty good imaging. The weak point of the Fluance set was the center channel. So the Fluance center channel upgrade is recommended...
I auditioned this set for almost a month... It is a 5 speaker set, for 200.00 & shipping. They are built very well. And are worth the 260.00 it will cost.
http://www.fluance.com/fluanceavhtb.html

And the upgrade center, http://www.fluance.com/fluancemv670c.html

If you are looking for a used set to fit your bill, then look here.
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13066

EDIT:: Here is a statement I made about the Fluance set almost 2 months ago.
and can be found here at post #21 http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693
I'll answer this one. This may be the case on the Venturi set, but for the Acoustech's this is not the case. The fronts are somewhat bright, but it is a cinema sound, and would be better in a bigger room. I like the brightness, it makes for a more intense realistic sound for movies. And I would not want to use a crossover mod to ruin this sound.

As far as the bass, well I'll break down and post a little on this.
The Fluance set (mains) has 2 ranges they are mid highs and lows. The Bic (or rather Acoustech fronts) Have more range but not as much bass as the Fluance. They have highs, mid highs, mid, and mid low. They are more suited for movies. Which is like 80/20 for me. The Fluance even from my first post on these I had stated they are geared more for music. And I still say this. Specially after a direct comparison to the Acoustech. However this info is mainly for the fronts. The surrounds and center actually seem to have more bass than the fronts. The center is by far, the best I have ever heard. I do wish the mains would go lower on the bass end. But it is not totally necessary. The Fluance set could get away without a sub, and I had stated this from my first review. And still state the same. The Acoustechs must have a sub, but they will intergrate better with the sub, and leave no holes in the sound.
However the Acoustech's are out of this price range, they are 1,500.00 speakers IMO. (But they can be had for about 800.00) With the price you save with the Fluance set, you would have about 200.00 to spend on a small sub.
For an ok sub at this price point, you could get this. http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13459
And here is a review from one of our members, it is on that page about 5-6 posts lower.
AverageJoe said:
I think Brian hit the nail on the head - This is a nice unit to replace a HTIB subwoofer without spending much money. And it looks like Amazon has lowered the price back to $79 shipped.
I've had the Advent for about a week, and it performs well enough that I haven't swapped back to my regular subwoofer yet (That doesn't mean I like it as well - I'm just lazy). fyi: My usual subwoofer is a Pinnacle Digital Sub 600 - (600W with two 12" drivers).
Since I'm rather new here, you should probably take this evaluation with a grain of salt. I'm certainly no expert, and my tastes may make this report a bit questionable to some. For one thing, I like a somewhat subtle low freq. experience - I want to hear it, but I don't want to necessarily feel it. I don't like it to seem like the subwoofer is drowning out any other sounds. That said, I still appreciate the nice effects in explosions, etc. But maybe a bit more subdued than most. That's why I asked rjbudz to review the Advent as well. I think he's more atuned to the typical HT experience. Anyway, here's my very brief review:

This unit is a bit of a lightweight - less than 30 lbs, and not a very substantial feel when you rap on it. But, I liked the assortment of controls and connections. Way more versatile than you find on a low-end subwoofer. I placed the Advent in the corner where my Pinnacle usually resides, and set levels using an RS SPL meter and the Avia disk. Crossover was set at 100Hz. I set the level flat to the other speakers for most of my listening, which put the volume control at about 11 o'clock (but also tried it 3dB hotter when RJ was here). The frequency tests were rather surprising - low end was good down to 26Hz, then rolled off drastically. I was fairly amazed it would go that low. The specs in the manual say 33Hz. There was a "hole" between 80 and 90Hz of about 8dB down. My Pinnacle drops about 3dB in that range, so it could be room accoustics. I didn't try to change the crossover to 80Hz, but I should sometime.
DVD selections were Riddick, U-571, Top Gun, and Pirates of the Caribbean. Riddick and U-571 definately need the +3dB, even for me. Even at that, the distant depth charges in U-571 sounded muffled. In Riddick, the AA guns in the attack scene were not quite sharp enough either. The close-up explosions were good, though. All-in-all, I was pleased with the overall HT performance. My only HTIB comparisons are Onkyo's powered 8" SKW-200, and a pretty weak Pioneer 8" passive unit. The Advent greatly outperformed both. Deeper lows, better SPL's (for those that like that) ;) , but a slight trade off for "punch".
For music, I played some Pink Floyd, Bruce Mitchell, and (If you can believe it) Celine Dion's Titanic theme. Once again it was just a bit boomy, but I actually think it is a better music performer than HT.
Conclusions: Again, keep in mind I'm sort'a a subwoofer minimalist, but I though this unit performed very well - especially at lower volumes. I tried turning it up (to about 3 o'clock, with mains at around 80dB) and it was pretty overpowering, but I rarely listen to anything much higher than 70 - 75dB anyway. It seemed to me like the clarity was much better at about 0 to 3dB above the mains. For the price, I'd replace about any HTIB subwoofer in a heartbeat. I think it's worth at least twice the asking price.
Well I promised to be brief, and instead I blathered on. I'll let RJ fill in the gaps.
After re-reading that review, I would think the Fluance set would intergrate nice. Being that sub has a hole at 80-90hz (could have been his room response) But I would cut the sub at 80hz, then the mains could easily take up the slack on up.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
For the price of the Fluance, I will sell Onix Rocket Tykes (av123.com). It is a 5.1 system with 100 watt subwoofer and teeny tiny speakers like Bose, but according to reviews, they sound a whole lot better.

I won them, never opened the box, and will never use them. I've mentioned this a few times, but few people seem to be interested in such a little system. I will end up donating them to Salvation Army and writing them off on my taxes....
 
brian32672

brian32672

Banned
I found the Fluance set to be well worth the money. Theyt have gotten great reviews for their price point. No they are not 800.00 speakers, but they surely are 500.00 speakers. I still wonder, how they can make a profit. The time to build one would cost 50.00 just for time, not including the wood, glue, vinyl, cloth, drivers, crossovers, banana plugs (bi-ampable as well), etc... Then times that by 5 seperate speakers.....
 
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soundsfine

Audioholic
You could do a nice sounding 2.1 for $400 with:

A pair of BIC DV62si as mains
A HSU STF-1 as subwoofer

Then, if you wanted more channels, you could add additional BICs later.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
For mostly music . . .

. . . you will probably prefer a nice set of bookshelfs. The BICs mentioned above will do, or you can get a set of Axiom M22tis for $400 in the factory seconds section. You can add the additional channels if/when you start utilizing HT more often.

You have a decent receiver that would work well with quality speakers. I have the same receiver and I'm currently using Athena audition series speakers. Their performance is much better than any satellite type system but less than the Axiom bookshelfs.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
I second soundsfine's recomendation. The axioms are a little bass shy, even for bookshelfs according, to everyone.

The BIC's and a stf-1 would be a killer music setup IMO.

Sheep
 
nibhaz

nibhaz

Audioholic Chief
Get good mid's then go for bass!

I have to agree with jcPanny, and just go with a nicer set of bookshelves. You wont get the really low frequencies, but if it’s well designed it will roll the lower end off nicely so you really wont notice…well you will, but it will sound natural and thus your brain won’t mind as much. Then as you slowly become addicted to good audio, you’ll suddenly find that you have money to buy a nice sub. The Axiom M22tis seem to be highly regarded at this particular price point.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Athena again...:)

www.audioadvisor.com has the Athena B1s for $99/pr and the B2s for $149/pr. Add to that an inexpensive sub like the Dayton 10" or 12" at www.partexpress.com and you are right around your budget with shipping and wires/cables.

Instead of the JBL E90s mentioned earlier, you could look at the E30s and a sub also.

Either way, you'd have a nice 2.1 setup to start building on.
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
I'll also give a thumbs up to the DV62/STF-1 combo. These two sound great together. The BICs sound very good, and that Hsu can deliver TIGHT bass. PM me if you have any questions on this particular setup, as it's what I run right now (though I have a 5.1 config).
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
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abboudc

Audioholic Chief
I'll be the fourth or fifth (i lost count) to back Soundfine's recommendation. For $400, you'd be hardpressed to do much better.
 
runninkyle17

runninkyle17

Audioholic
I will have to agree with the BICs and the HSU sub or Dayton sub also. The HSU sub will be a little better, but in your price range I think you will also like the Dayton. I got a chance to listen to one a couple of days ago and I liked it a lot. I have not listened to an HSU, but I have heard good things about them.

The BIC DV62's and the matching center are a really great idea. I am looking for a new set of speakers in the same price range and I had not even thought about the BIC's. I will have to find somewhere around me or a buddy who has a set of the BICs and give them a listen. However, from what I have heard about them I think I will also spend some money on at least two front DV62s and if I like them I will get the matching center and two more DV62s.

I may not have the most experience with speakers, but I am a fast learner and I know that if more then four people recommend a set of speakers on this forum then they must be good. I mean c'mon, there are more brands of speakers out there than I can count. I may just take a leap of faith and spend the money b/c the impression I get from BIC as a speaker company is that they really make quality stuff.

Bye the way, have fun with your decision and to everyone that has given advice; I salute you (my receiver and speaker shopping would still be an ongoing process if it was not for this forum).:) :rolleyes: :cool: :D
 
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jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
To runninkyle17, you should edit your posts to say "DV62" instead of "DV26". The DV26 speakers are crappy surrounds with 2" tweeters and just a generally a bad design.
 
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so_cal_forever

Audioholic Intern
On the Dayton sub. I dont have the 12", but I do have the 10".

Pros:
+Good, accurate bass
+Well constructed
+Price

Cons:
-Won't cause wall-shaking bass anytime soon

I'd imagine the 12" would be even better than the 10".
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
so_cal_forever said:
On the Dayton sub. I dont have the 12", but I do have the 10".

Pros:
+Good, accurate bass
+Well constructed
+Price

Cons:
-Won't cause wall-shaking bass anytime soon

I'd imagine the 12" would be even better than the 10".
can you test and see if it hits 25hz?
 
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so_cal_forever

Audioholic Intern
Not sure how to test for it. If there is a method that doesnt require a tool, I'm game.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
There's a guy on another forum using a BFD with the 10" who said it rolls off at 22Hz and has decent output at 25Hz (which is the -3dB for it).
 
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