Talk about being thrown under the bus

[jinjuku]

Originally Posted by UndersAVS:

Its hard to digest that players are rendering audible levels of distortion given the following sources.

Audioholics Oppo player measurements and comments:

Oppo BDP-93 & BDP-95 On the Bench | Audioholics

"We ran both 192kHz/24 bit 6 channel and 96kHz/ 24 bit 8 channel Dolby TrueHD signals into both players and both produced similarly ruler flat frequency performance from 20Hz all the way up to the Audio Precision test gear bandwidth limitation (80kHz).

We also ran Bit Error Rate (BER) tests on both players using Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD test signals and both players produced a 0% BER which means both players delivered audio via HDMI 100% error free. Early HDMI products (ver 1.0 to 1.2) reportedly suffered from jitter related issues but HDMI ver 1.3 and above has completely eliminated jitter related issues thus ensuring bit for bit exact signal transfer from the player to the A/V receiver or processor."




Originally Posted by amirm:

Greg, the owner of audioholics who wrote the above unfortunately doesn't know the difference between compliance and performance testing. I believe in prior life he was involved in networks and testing of them where such concepts as "bit error rate" and such are appropriate fidelity metrics. Not here. In *all of our discussions* on potential distortions over HDMI, we are assuming perfection transmission of all bits. In no case am I including the cases where digital samples are corrupted. If that has happened then there is no doubt that you will get audible artifacts.

 

[3db]

Sorry.. I need a little more context to understand what it is your saying .. who is throwing whom under the bus?

 

[lsiberian]

This is confusing to me? It make me jittery.

 

[jinjuku]

Amir is throwing Gene under the bus.

 

[rojo]

I kinda see that. If I squint really hard, I see, "Math math math math math math Audioholics poor fools math math unintelligible graph math indeed."

 

[Swerd]

Amir is throwing Gene under the bus.

I think its more like a case of amir trying to drag someone, Gene or anyone else, under the bus to join him .

Trying to read his lengthy posts gives the initial impression that this guy must know what he's talking about. But that impression is only brief. His diarrhea of the mouth, accompanied by constipation of the brain, makes me believe that he's trying hard to make his ideas seem sophisticated by making them over-complexified and unreadable.

If he has a clear thought, why can't he say it clearly? Raising the signal-to-noise ratio, as he does in his AVS posts, is the opposite of clear thinking.

Oops! I meant to say lowering the signal-to-noise ratio.

 

[cpp]

Maybe I missed it, where is this post by amirm on this subject , anyone have a link.

 

[markw]

I think its more like a case of amir trying to drag someone, Gene or anyone else, under the bus to join him .

Trying to read his lengthy posts gives the initial impression that this guy must know what he's talking about. But that impression is only brief. His diarrhea of the mouth, accompanied by constipation of the brain, makes me believe that he's trying hard to make his ideas seem sophisticated by making them over-complexified and unreadable.

Translation: If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh1t.

 

[jinjuku]

Jitter