SVS PB12-Ultra/2 or HSU VTF-3 HO plus Turbo

Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Mailhandler said:
Which is better overall Sub?:confused:
Which is better is going to be very subjective, depends on what your looking for. For sheer SPL output above 25hz, the SVS is going to be "better". For deep, uncompromising bass under 20hz the 3HO is the one to beat in it's price category.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
They are both great subs... you can't go wrong with either..

What size room are you implementing a sub...?
What are the other components of your system...?
What is your preference, HT or Music... percentage of either?

I personally bought SVS PB12-Plus/2, as they are beautiful subs, I couldn't put that turbo thing in my house... More bang for your buck with the HSU...

But also depends on your room size...
My sub goes plenty low enough for me,and its Pretty !!!! I have it tuned to 20hz and it plows into the teens just fine... Shakes the hell out of my house..

The Ultra would be awesome... but I don't need it.. I have 8200 Cu. Ft. area...

Good luck...
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Warpdrv said:
They are both great subs... you can't go wrong with either..

What size room are you implementing a sub...?
What are the other components of your system...?
What is your preference, HT or Music... percentage of either?

I personally bought SVS PB12-Plus/2, as they are beautiful subs, I couldn't put that turbo thing in my house... More bang for your buck with the HSU...

But also depends on your room size...
My sub goes plenty low enough for me,and its Pretty !!!! I have it tuned to 20hz and it plows into the teens just fine... Shakes the hell out of my house..

The Ultra would be awesome... but I don't need it.. I have 8200 Cu. Ft. area...

Good luck...
From his other post he has a 4000ft3 room that opens up to another room, so a pretty good size area.
 
Nomo

Nomo

Audioholic Samurai
You have to admit; that turbo unit, while it may be a good performer, ain't gonna win no beauty contests.
At least the SVS subs can be used as an end table. Although, trust me, that argument didn't exactly work for me.:eek:
 
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Peter Marcks

Banned
Interestingly, the VTF-3 HO (and VTF-3 Mk3 and VTF-2 Mk3) are all ideal endtable height, ~22". Turbocharger is removeable, and only necessary for those who want 16Hz extension with zero audible port noise at that frequency. Even in maximum output mode, the -3 HO and -3 Mk3 are very strong down to 20Hz.

Turbocharger is a good investment, especially at time of purchase, because it provides the low-turbulent air-moving capability of two of the same subwoofers without turbocharger. In other words, one would have to buy two of the same subwoofers without turbocharger to have comparable deep bass capability to a single subwoofer with turbocharger. Also, even if one decides not to use turbocharger, they should be able to sell it for more than the $100 that it cost them to purchase at the beginning.

With a $2k budget, I would recommend something like dual VTF-3 Mk3 or dual VTF-3 HO (with turbos if you wish) to handle 15-50Hz placed farfield, and an MBM-12 to handle 50-80Hz placed nearfield. This way, one has awesome deep bass output and extension, while also having awesome mid/upper bass power and clarity, in addition to reduced intermodulation distortion, reduced room reflections, and wider dynamic range too.
 
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MUCHO

Audioholic Intern
One thing I had always heard is that HSU subs are more "musical". When I went from my 20-39 PC+ with 12.3 driver I could detect no difference for HT use but music - no contest. The HSU was more articulate hands down.

So - if you're using the sub for HT only and output is your goal I would go SVS. If not - consider the HO.

I happen to like the turbo. Ugly as hell but it gets people's attention :D
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
MUCHO said:
One thing I had always heard is that HSU subs are more "musical". When I went from my 20-39 PC+ with 12.3 driver I could detect no difference for HT use but music - no contest. The HSU was more articulate hands down.

So - if you're using the sub for HT only and output is your goal I would go SVS. If not - consider the HO.

I happen to like the turbo. Ugly as hell but it gets people's attention :D
Was this comparison done blind? If not, I would remove your remarks as they could be biased.

The Ultra/2 will go just as low as the HO, it will also be louder. With more finish options, it may actually be better even though it's bigger. Personally, I would take the Ultra/2.

SheepStar
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
Sheep said:
Was this comparison done blind? If not, I would remove your remarks as they could be biased.

The Ultra/2 will go just as low as the HO, it will also be louder. With more finish options, it may actually be better even though it's bigger. Personally, I would take the Ultra/2.

SheepStar
Sheep, have you actually seen or heard the two in question? "If not, I would remove your remarks as they could be biased."
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Sheep said:
Was this comparison done blind? If not, I would remove your remarks as they could be biased.

The Ultra/2 will go just as low as the HO,

SheepStar
The graphs I've seen say otherwise. I just realized he was comparing the Ultra/2 and not the plus/2 to the 3HO. To the OP, you do know that there is more than a $1000 difference between it and the 3HO?
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
Matt34 said:
The graphs I've seen say otherwise. I just realized he was comparing the Ultra/2 and not the plus/2 to the 3HO. To the OP, you do know that there is more than a $1000 difference between it and the 3HO?
And if you're worried able the higher end of the bass range, add a MBM-12 to the VTF-3HO w/turbo and you'll have something the SVS will pale in comparison to. And best of all it will still be cheaper.

But alas, YES, SVS does have better finish options when compared to HSU. But is it worth $1K more? I didn't think so.
 
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Peter Marcks

Banned
To put things in perspective, at 25Hz and below, a VTF-3 HO and single driver Ultra will compare well with the dual driver Ultra. Above 25Hz, the dual driver Ultra will have more output, but that output difference will be nullified when using dual VTF-3 HO or dual single driver Ultra's. As an alternative, one can add an MBM-12 to the single driver models, and have improved mid-bass headroom too.
 
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