Surround technologies question (DSX, Neo:X, PLIIz, etc)

panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I've been in the market for a new receiver for a bit and am still trying to decide what to get. I know it will be an Onkyo or Denon. I've got lots of experience with both and like them just fine. The question I have is for those of you that have the models with DSX, Neo:X, PLIIz, etc. I have a receiver with PLIIz, but haven't had time to run cable for the height speakers yet.

I've read many a review about each technology, but haven't really heard anything that compelling. I've never been a fan of matrixed sound processing (unless it is something encoded with PLII, which works very well). Everything else seems to detract from the original recording, or do nothing at all. Granted, my experience is with the technology that takes 5.1 and adds the back channels (that don't do all that much IMHO).

Having said that, DSX, PLIIz, and NEO:X all ad front channels that I would think can open up the sound stage quite a bit. They all seem to add more depth to the recording and have been well received.

My question is for they guys that have heard the tech first hand. Is it worth buying a receiver specifically for these features? Do you use it when you watch movies/TV? Does it really add what they say it does?

Thanks in advance
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
You haven't read anything compelling because there ISN'T anything compelling IMO. I've heard front height channels and can't say they added anything useful at all. Granted, I am not sure my friend properly calibrated his system, but I found them more distracting than beneficial.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I use PLIIx to create a 7.1 mix from 5.1 and stereo sources and I must say that it works very well. The sound isn't changed at all, it's just steered to the speakers that the sound should be coming from. I would add front height channels if I had a receiver in my living room that supported 9.1 and had PLIIz.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I use PLIIx to create a 7.1 mix from 5.1 and stereo sources and I must say that it works very well. The sound isn't changed at all, it's just steered to the speakers that the sound should be coming from. I would add front height channels if I had a receiver in my living room that supported 9.1 and had PLIIz.
I use it too since I have a 7.1 system, but since I've been stuck in the middle of installing my theater I've been down to "just" 5.1 and don't really miss the back with the exception of video games. I'd just be really annoyed if I went through the trouble of getting a receiver with those features (I have a PLIIz receiver now) and mounting speakers, running wire only to find it sucks. I'm going to test it before I run wires, but I trust you guys, so I want as many opinions as possible.
 
A

avengineer

Banned
Can't speak for PLIIz, but with DSX the wide channels offer more benefit than the heights. If you had to use only one or the other, you'd want the wides.

All of these technologies synthesize the signals sent to the extra speakers, it's a question of which algorithm works better. IMHO there's more research behind DSX, the results are a bit better.

Some day there may be discrete height and width channels, who knows? The channel capability is already there.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Some day there may be discrete height and width channels, who knows? The channel capability is already there.
Dolby already said there would not be, at least for them. They went straight to Atmos.

Yes, the capability is already there, but the fact is that most home theaters don't even need 7.1 as it is.
 
A

avengineer

Banned
You have to be careful about what you listen to from people at Dolby. One of their key people came out a few years ago as totally opposed to 7.1 in the home...yet, here it is. He was mostly objecting to how it was used, as 7.1 in theaters is 5 screen channels, two surrounds.

Atmos was targeted at commercial theaters, though, where more channels are more feasible (though equally as unlikely) than the home. In the home it's hard enough to place 5.1. But the point here is if the material is produced, it can be re-channeled for something more like discrete 9.2/11.2, even if the channels are extracted via some alorithm.

The argument for more channels has typically been that a doubling of channel count is an unmistakable change for every listener. 1 > 2 was huge, 2 > 5, also huge. 5 > 7, not so much. Turns out, though, that adding the height and width channels does in fact make a far more noticeable change than adding the two back channels, largely due to the channel count. 5.1 > 11.2 should, in theory, be equally huge.

Personally, I look at DSX 9.1/11.2 as an interim step. I have heard discrete 10.2 in a home theater setting, and I can tell you THAT was really good. The speaker plan was slightly different than DSX 11.2, but height and wide channels were there. What you can achieve is a transportation into a complete 3D acoustic space, rather than a circular but relatively flat space. 11.2 is an interim solution until we get all the real channels.

There's also a point to be made for the VOG channel (Voice Of God...center of the venue, high pointed down). That one might actually be easier in an HT than front height and width.

Won't it be fun to watch this all shake out, though?
 

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