Subs. "To fire from the front, or to fire downward" That is the question...

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PYEPYE

Enthusiast
Gonna re-sub my system, I like two subs, so down firing or forward firing?

What say ye....?

Room is about 25' X 32' I sit 3/4 of the way back, center of room

Lots of power with Pio Elite VSX-82TXS
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
There is no technical drawback to either orientation. It comes down to preference. Mine are down firing, for example: everything about the X-13s suited my needs, tastes, and space. That they were down-firing was a bonus for me.

if ever you build a DIY Sub and want to build it in that orientation, there is a formula to make certain the Driver’s Suspension is sturdy enough to support itself.

Otherwise, in a competently designed OEM product... nothing to worry about.

Cheers!
 
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warnerwh

Full Audioholic
In that large of a space I would go with 15" drivers. They don't cost much more and are capable of moving a lot more air all else being equal. It sounds like you have the space for larger subs. You don't want to wish you had gone with 15's.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Down facing drivers might be nice to keep curious fingers away (or a down facing port might be hard to stuff toys into). Subs are more omni-radiators so performance-wise pick what you like, some subs even come with feet you can place where you want and have a forward or downfiring sub as you like.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Horrible article.
While the author details things differently inside the text, his presentation of information is easily seen as biased. Moreover, using YT Vids as reference is insulting when an educated author could cite actual professional writing and science to support their writing.
While often times people make these assumptions, it is important to keep the physics in mind. Low frequency soundwaves are considered by most to be omni-directional. Below about 110-120 Hz, the frequencies a Subwoofer produce are not able to be "localized" in a room of reasonable size. To say that a Front Firing Driver does not bounce off the floor is completely wrong. Consider, too, that when you are dealing with wavelengths ranging from 55Hz (20.46') and down (20Hz =56.26'; 15 Hz =75.02'), these wavefronts will be bouncing off of multiple surfaces before fully propagating one full cycle.
I mentioned above in my first post that not all Drivers are suited for Down Firing applications and that it requires the proper Suspension to function properly. A well designed Down Firing Sub will have taken this little bit Physics into account.
I've seen several anecdotes about experienced cats even turning their Front Firing Subs in to face directly at a wall for various reasons, most commonly that it changes the way the wavefronts interact with the room.
Further, to claim a Front Firing subwoofer is more "accurate" is likewise abject hogwash for the same reasons stated above. Driver and Cabinet design, and the proper construction of the cabinet will have far more an effect on accuracy.

I'm still a novice in my path toward learning Speaker Design with a little over a year of studying under my belt, but I've read enough real literature to see this guy is blowing smoke and should stick to flowery Speaker Review Prose rather than attempting to educate others.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Horrible article.
While the author details things differently inside the text, his presentation of information is easily seen as biased. Moreover, using YT Vids as reference is insulting when an educated author could cite actual professional writing and science to support their writing.
While often times people make these assumptions, it is important to keep the physics in mind. Low frequency soundwaves are considered by most to be omni-directional. Below about 110-120 Hz, the frequencies a Subwoofer produce are not able to be "localized" in a room of reasonable size. To say that a Front Firing Driver does not bounce off the floor is completely wrong. Consider, too, that when you are dealing with wavelengths ranging from 55Hz (20.46') and down (20Hz =56.26'; 15 Hz =75.02'), these wavefronts will be bouncing off of multiple surfaces before fully propagating one full cycle.
I mentioned above in my first post that not all Drivers are suited for Down Firing applications and that it requires the proper Suspension to function properly. A well designed Down Firing Sub will have taken this little bit Physics into account.
I've seen several anecdotes about experienced cats even turning their Front Firing Subs in to face directly at a wall for various reasons, most commonly that it changes the way the wavefronts interact with the room.
Further, to claim a Front Firing subwoofer is more "accurate" is likewise abject hogwash for the same reasons stated above. Driver and Cabinet design, and the proper construction of the cabinet will have far more an effect on accuracy.

I'm still a novice in my path toward learning Speaker Design with a little over a year of studying under my belt, but I've read enough real literature to see this guy is blowing smoke and should stick to flowery Speaker Review Prose rather than attempting to educate others.
Ryan you are totally correct. The writer of that article should have his ability to publish revoked.(one reason I hate the internet. You don’t actually have to know wtf you’re talking about) and also, the subwoofer 101 guy is a dipshit.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for saving me from bothering to watch yet another dumb youtube video :)
 
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