dnice555

dnice555

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I recently aquired a def teh reference supercube. I am running a blue jeans analog cable from my onkyo pre-out directly to the sub. Even with the sub turned only half way up I am getting rattling and distorted bass with certain frequencies (The opener in 300 hd dvd with the lightening and the thx setup on the nin hd dvd) Its wierd because with deep low explosions in shooter I have no prolem and the bass shakes the foundation. The ref supercube is on a hardwood flloor also but I don't think thats the problem. Any ideas?
 
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Room resonances maybe?

You might want to get a low frequency test disk and Radio Shack analog Sound Pressure Level meter and plot your frequency response. There are excel spreadsheets with SPL meter correction factors and graphing included. You may be getting resonances from the room at certain frequencies and by plotting the frequency response you can see where they are. If you are getting resonances, then you can get more specific advise if you know the frequencies where the spike(s) occur. Options include a parametric equalizer for as little as $100 (BFD), room acoustic treatments, etc.
 
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If the actual subwoofer is rattling you might need to return the subwoofer, it may be defective. Pull the grill off, are you hitting the excursion limit of the cone? Try and locate what's rattling or making the noise. Put the subwoofer on some rubber or a chair and see if it's just the floor resonating.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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I agree with all the above advice. If you determine that it is the woofer rattling, then the driver is likely exceeding xmax and bottoming. Ported enclosures especially, off load the driver below system resonance and xmax is easily exceeded even at low power. Sealed systems also off load below F3, but not usually as drastically as ported.

Mastering engineers are encouraged to master with a subsonic filter, below 20 Hz, to help prevent this. They don't all do it. If the F3 point of your sub is significantly above the subsonic zone, then the subsonic filter, if used in mastering will be an incomplete solution.
 
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cbraver

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I agree with all the above advice. If you determine that it is the woofer rattling, then the driver is likely exceeding xmax and bottoming. Ported enclosures especially, off load the driver below system resonance and xmax is easily exceeded even at low power. Sealed systems also off load below F3, but not usually as drastically as ported.

Mastering engineers are encouraged to master with a subsonic filter, below 20 Hz, to help prevent this. They don't all do it. If the F3 point of your sub is significantly above the subsonic zone, then the subsonic filter, if used in mastering will be an incomplete solution.

This is the problem my dad has with his Pinnacle SuperSonic's. The gain on the back, you can really only keep at 1/4 turn, because the cone will hit it's excursion limits on some bass material extremely easily. Totally unexceptable to sell a subwoofer that does this.

A fix for this would be to have a subsonic filter on your system.
 
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I've got an 8"Cambridge Soundworks subwoofer where the speaker bottoms out (audible mechanical noise) with low bass or dynamic peaks. It has to be turned down so low that its barely audible. It is basically useless as a subwoofer so I have got it working as a bass module above the HT 80 Hz crossover for my center channel. I would think this wouldn't be the case for your subwoofer but you might call the manufacturer for a solution. They may have encountered the problem before or they may replace your unit if you are still under warranty.

Also many movies have subsonic bass (18 Hz and 10Hz for the helicopter blades in Blackhawk Down If I remember correctly) and some subwoofers are designed to play that low.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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I've got an 8"Cambridge Soundworks subwoofer that bottoms out with low bass or dynamic peaks. It has to be turned down so low that its barely audible. It is basically useless as a subwoofer so I have got it working as a bass module above the HT 80 Hz crossover for my center channel. I would think this wouldn't be the case for your subwoofer but you might call the manufacturer for a solution. They may have encountered the problem before or they may replace your unit if you are still under warranty.
The vast majority of subs are going to do this, unless there is a subsonic filter somewhere., either in the recording chain, the receiver/preamp, one added by the consumer in the sub feed or in the sub itself. Really the filter needs to attenuate below the F3 if high power demands are going to be made of the sub.

Remember if the sub is ported you can't boost bass with Eq. I suspect a lot of these auto setups do this, and cause this trouble where it otherwise might not have surfaced. Although in a sealed sub Eq will extend the frequency response, remember it will get you into trouble with xmax for most of the subs in the price range talked about in these forums.

A sub with genuine high power extension to the 20 Hz range is going to cost a dollar or two.

I think that is why there has been significant interest in DIY subs. A sub is an excellent speaker starter project.

But one plea, please ask for our advice before you buy your components!

There are a few of us glad to it. It is a blessed relief from what "blaster would be better than this boomer for under $200!"
 
dnice555

dnice555

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Sub mat worked! Thanks guys I've never had an issue go unresolved in here you guys are the best.
 

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