Standards In Design

MR.MAGOO

MR.MAGOO

Audioholic Field Marshall
In home audio you can connect a speaker to the receiver with a banana plug. In automotive connections all I have seen is connecting the speaker to the receiver (head unit) with those spade terminals. Why isn't there a standard way? Most cars have the gas pedal, brake pedal, basic controls, in the same place. Not so with speakers. :confused:
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
In home audio you can connect a speaker to the receiver with a banana plug. In automotive connections all I have seen is connecting the speaker to the receiver (head unit) with those spade terminals. Why isn't there a standard way? Most cars have the gas pedal, brake pedal, basic controls, in the same place. Not so with speakers. :confused:
In a car banana plugs would come out.

There was an attempt to make the Neutric Speakon connection the standard for speaker connection. That would have been a very good connection. I'm pretty sure there have been legions of units blown up by the current screw/banana plug connections. However, again it was receivers causing this failure of adoption, as the manufacturers did not want the expense and said there was not room.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
In a car banana plugs would come out.

There was an attempt to make the Neutric Speakon connection the standard for speaker connection. That would have been a very good connection. I'm pretty sure there have been legions of units blown up by the current screw/banana plug connections. However, again it was receivers causing this failure of adoption, as the manufacturers did not want the expense and said there was not room.
Some banana plugs expand and some have a sleeve that compresses when inserted, but they cost more and manufacturers are more interested in lowering cost. In a car audio situation, banana plugs take up too much space and unless they insert at a right angle to the face of the amp and are very short, it can mean the amp won't fit into the space available.

Commercial/industrial equipment uses Phoenix (also called 'Euro connectors') for inputs, outputs, control signals, etc- these aren't glitzy enough to interest the audiopiles who want their connections to involve something that almost nobody has heard of, can't spell or pronounce, or afford. The one thing that would annoy them most- they ALWAYS work and I have yet to see one work its way out of the receptacle on its own.

Speakon are great, but they take up a lot of space. Also, with the "I make my own cables" crowd, I suspect many amplifiers would fry because they didn't quite understand the locations of the terminals on the back side.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
In home audio you can connect a speaker to the receiver with a banana plug. In automotive connections all I have seen is connecting the speaker to the receiver (head unit) with those spade terminals. Why isn't there a standard way? Most cars have the gas pedal, brake pedal, basic controls, in the same place. Not so with speakers. :confused:
Exactly, what do you disagree with? How long have you looked at car audio vs consumer, pro, commercial/industrial gear (if ever)?

There isn't a standard way because the terminations come from different fields. Banana, BNC and some other connectors were used on lab equipment before they were "borrowed" by the consumer audio people. Spade terminals and barrier strips (the name for the rows of screws on one piece) were used in commercial/industrial gear and they work great, unless they're the ones that are narrower than .250" (a more common terminal than the .187" version).

There's no standard because a single connector isn't needed.

I suppose you'll disagree again. Too bad- if you ask a question, don't be offended when you read something you don't like.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
The best thing about standards is that there is so many of them.

Really, there are 'standard' connections on equipment, but they tend to be standard within a specific industry. Car audio often needs smaller connection points as there is a premium on space. Home audio typically offers 5-way binding posts which offer more options to consumers. Professional audio (depending on which field you are in) typically offers different connections as well, often on terminal strips, now with many adding network audio standards like AVB and Dante which home audio and car audio doesn't need.

Yup, standards! Standards everywhere!
 
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